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Side thought, anaerobic water smells like feces. I had to walk through an anaerobic swamp on my first day of work when I switched to forestry.

Must be so.

Last question; and it's strictly academic and perhaps quite stupid, but is there any non-organic/chemical fix for this problem?
And if I can sort out better water what are the chances of recovery?

Fecies is a smell I am getting used too since I went organic.
Recently I found an old mason jar full of water and rusty nails. I filled it last year and it's been sitting ever since . Black as Indian ink and smells like nothing I can describe. Crazy stink!
Don't think I would feed it to Lucifer let alone a plant at any dilution. Though rusty water can be a useful supplement.

CalMg (or similar Mg supplement) is the easy fix but you're going to have to deal with the lock out first. That's going to take good water and some epsomes. You can also use the CalMg as a folier spray, Mg is really mobile and can be leaf absorbed I believe if you're looking for a quick fix to try.

Heck, Miracle grow soil fertilizer might work if you can get the water right. You'd get crap taste without a long and thorough flush but it has everything in it.

As I said, it's academic. I'm staying organic.
Will switch to creek water and take my chances things will correct themselves.
Fingers crossed.

Thanks.

pope creek said:

lfc89,
I've been planning to have my water checked, think I can get done free by the ag dept. Your advice nudges me to act.
Wish I could sort out an reverse osmosis system but I'm super underfunded and have to work with what I've got.
Not certain, and I hope someone who knows may confirm, but I believe excessive minerals in my water may be causing lockout. Something to do with catons (sic), which is simple chemistry or botany but well beyond me.
Anyhow, it adds weight to Kalebaiden's diagnosis and a theory I was slowly coming to myself.
Thank you, mate.

Btw , I like your handle.

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Haha cheers mate

I would start at the water, your not sure of the EC levels so before its been touched it could be sitting at 1000 + ppm, that also mixed with the poor soil and hot humid weather breaks down the organic matter like manure etc faster in the soil thus lowering cec levels so basically your soil isnt able to hold the nutrients.
I would recommend looking at a product called biochar as a soil ammendment it is a charcoal like substance that has high exchange capacity I have a friend who grows organic and he swears blind by the stuff.
hope all goes well brother




Yes...yes...bio char. Helps retain nutrients in poor soil. I don't know much about it but will do some reading.
If you read this thread you'll know that I'm leaning toward super hard well water being the source of my trouble.
It fits the facts quite convincingly.
Tough thing is the solution - lugging so many 5 gallon jugs of smelly swampy creek water back to my garden.
I guess I still have to questions at least.
Is switching water going to be enough or will I need to flush, and if so, will I flush away all my precious biology?
Also could folier feeding somehow bypass the soil lockout?
What do you reckon?

Sprinkle some potash around the drip zone every 2 weeks.

Buds, can I get a why to go with the how?

Thanks.

Foliar Epsom (MgSO4) spray would definitely be a fast treatment to this issue! just be sure to get plant grade epsom salts. I dont know what the difference would be but i imagine the home use stuff may have some other junk in it you dont want for plants. Inexpensive and a staple in my garden. i mix it in soil mixes and topdress later in the season. as mentioned above Mg is highly mobile... so you may need to make this a regular once a week or biweekly. Sounds like your soil has decent drainage if the Mg is leaching away. other than that... I'd say they look great! Epsom will also give your plant some Sulfur in their diet (though it's probably in your soil already). for a soil drench i use epsom at 1 tsp per gallon. i've heard people using 2tsp per gal for a deficiency but i would just stick with the 1 and it will likely work itself out.

I add a little Epsom (household type) to my tea. Folier feeding might help by bypassing roots.
Bizarre a salt could help.
Also planning to lay hands on some young green coconut as I hear it has miraculous healing properties.
Here's some pics I took this morning.

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well yes it's a salt in its crystalline form, but as soon as those bonds are broken in water it's all elemental ions!

The coconut has lots of enzymes which are great. Aloe Vera is also a great treatment, look into that too. I've recently started using both coconut and aloe and i have seen an increase in happiness with just the first few applications. Working on switching to living soil for indoors, and these products are staples. Also seed sprout teas produce the same effects as the coconut water: enzymes! Good luck my friend. I know they will do well for you.

Thanks!

Potash its organic ,they look like they could be flowering soon so start the potash now. I also like to sprinkle some super phosphate and wait for the rain.

It could be the well water. Had issues with water source myself. Low pH and ppm spring water was basically hoarding all the useful elements for its self. Otherwise nice looking ladies. Gotta love the upskirt photo. Nice prune job.

Pretty sure it's the well water. Grow is too big at this point to buy or bring water in, except I plan to make an extreme effort to make sure at least half my water comes from the creek. It will require carrying plenty of jugs and be a right pain. Still it might help a little.
Also folier feed with Epsom.
Hope for the best.