Kellogg Organic Potting Soil?

Kellogg 1.5-cu ft Organic Potting Soil $6 at Lowes.

http://kellogggarden.com/products/kellogg/soils/?s=kellogg-garden-organics-patio-plus

Ive heard from some folks its almost as good as FF Ocean Forest buy for a fraction of the price.
anyone have experience with this stuff for indoor potting?

It contains
INGREDIENTS: Aged recycled forrest products, aged rice hulls, composted poultry manure, perlite, peat moss, hydrolyzed feather meal, dehydrated poultry manure, dolomite & oyster shell limes (as pH adjusters), bat guano, kelp meal, worm castings.


Im strongly considering.

Go ahead. I've used it before and thought it was good especially for the price. I haven't used it for awhile, but I was planning on trying some out again pretty soon.

I "discovered" this soil last year and have not used it for weed yet, but I have many other types of plants growing very well in it. I've seen others here claim it lacks this or that, but results are clear and I have zero complaints. If you do a search you'll get a bunch of info. It's been discussed several times.

Definitely a good soil, and if you do everything else correctly you'll be fine.

I'm using it to grow some jalapenos and tomatoes, it's kinda dense and has a crapload of sticks and bark in it, but it works and its cheap so meh. I'd say its on the lower end of soil quality though, there's a lot better options.

Some of that Corn flake kush

AnimalMother1974 said:

Ive heard from some folks its almost as good as FF Ocean Forest buy for a fraction of the price.
anyone have experience with this stuff for indoor potting?

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I bought some of that sheet like a week ago for a job I had. I put some Rainbow Chile plants in it. Seems alright a week later when I went to see it. Was a big effing 2 cuft bag for 6$ Was dark smelled like dirt, had a lot of wood trash debris I call it but I guess organic sheet has that.

Would I plant my trees in it?... Needs a sheet tonne of perlite right off the top and ........ ummm.... yeah if I didnt have MG Organic on hand. ;-P

Yodaweed said:

I'm using it to grow some jalapenos and tomatoes, it's kinda dense and has a crapload of sticks and bark in it, but it works and its cheap so meh. I'd say its on the lower end of soil quality though, there's a lot better options.

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What about 30% perlite added? Think that will balance it out?

AnimalMother1974 said:

Kellogg 1.5-cu ft Organic Potting Soil $6 at Lowes.

http://kellogggarden.com/products/kellogg/soils/?s=kellogg-garden-organics-patio-plus

Ive heard from some folks its almost as good as FF Ocean Forest buy for a fraction of the price.
anyone have experience with this stuff for indoor potting?

It contains
INGREDIENTS: Aged recycled forrest products, aged rice hulls, composted poultry manure, perlite, peat moss, hydrolyzed feather meal, dehydrated poultry manure, dolomite & oyster shell limes (as pH adjusters), bat guano, kelp meal, worm castings.


Im strongly considering.

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If you want good pot buy good dirt. It will make a difference.

AnimalMother1974 said:

What about 30% perlite added? Think that will balance it out?

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I would start there. Since I have this sheet laying around I would add rock dust, lime, worm castings and run a test batch which I just might now...

It'll get the job done. Currently using the raised bed soil with added perlite and worm castings. My girls are looking great.

The303Yeti said:

If you want good pot buy good dirt. It will make a difference.

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Im disabled and cash is TIGHT. So if this is a viable product for $6 I have to consider it. FF is $25 around here, Id prefer that but what can I do.


I may make my own worm castings to add. Food scraps and paper in a bin with worms breaking it down. So home made worm castings, perlite, and patio plus. Lets see how this goes down. *crosses fingers*

It's garbage and full of chemicals and bio solids. And bio solids are byproduct of sewage treatement.

Kellogs, scotts, and miracle gro are all the furthest thing from organic.

Get a bale of peat moss from lowes. Then go to a nursery and get some compost, worm castings, and garden pumice and mix it all up in equal part . Then add what ever amendments you want then cook the soil for a month.


Google clackamas coots, no till living soil, probiotic farming, Korean natural farming technique.

hyroot said:

It's garbage and full of chemicals and bio solids. And bio solids are byproduct of sewage treatement.

Kellogs, scotts, and miracle gro are all the furthest thing from organic.

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Huh? Would love to hear how you came to these conclusions. Why throw a bunch of total BS back at someone just looking for help?

From the Patio Plus label:
INGREDIENTS: Aged recycled forest products, aged rice hulls, composted poultry manure, perlite, peat moss, hydrolyzed feather meal, dehydrated poultry manure, dolomite & oyster shell limes (as pH adjusters), bat guano, kelp meal, worm castings

Perhaps the biosolids are secretly injected into the perlite?

Patio Plus is OMRI listed, meaning that every ingredient and process used to produce it has been verified 100% organic by an independent, non-profit third party. I think I'll stick with their analysis over Mr. hyroot's. No offense, of course.

AnimalMother1974 said:

Im disabled and cash is TIGHT. So if this is a viable product for $6 I have to consider it. FF is $25 around here, Id prefer that but what can I do.


I may make my own worm castings to add. Food scraps and paper in a bin with worms breaking it down. So home made worm castings, perlite, and patio plus. Lets see how this goes down. *crosses fingers*

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You'll be fine with that plan and a bit of decent fertilizer. Don't forget drainage for you worm bin. The process produces a fair bit of liquid.

Bacala said:

Huh? Would love to hear how you came to these conclusions. Why throw a bunch of total BS back at someone just looking for help?

From the Patio Plus label:
INGREDIENTS: Aged recycled forest products, aged rice hulls, composted poultry manure, perlite, peat moss, hydrolyzed feather meal, dehydrated poultry manure, dolomite & oyster shell limes (as pH adjusters), bat guano, kelp meal, worm castings

Perhaps the biosolids are secretly injected into the perlite?

Patio Plus is OMRI listed, meaning that every ingredient and process used to produce it has been verified 100% organic by an independent, non-profit third party. I think I'll stick with their analysis over Mr. hyroot's. No offense, of course.

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First check with state dept of agriculture. All companies are required disclose all ingredients to them in order to register their product for sale. They are not required to list all ingredients on labels at all. No nutrient or soil or fertilizer companies ever do. You will see kellogs is gmo fertz and buys their bio soilid's from EMA - L.A. and inland empire sewage treatment plants .


You are new to the world of growing obviouslsy. It's a well known fact that kellogs is garbage. If you did a little research you would know better. Google kellogs uses bio solids.

Omri is a third party organic certification that is fake and meaningless. If you pay them enough. They will certify anything organic. Even windex. Several examples. Pure spray green was omri listed. Then a few years later the California dept of agriculture tested it when they lapsed on registering and re-registered late. It turned out it was petroleum based. And then was immediately banned from california. Other examples are gravity, bushmaster , avid, green cure and so on. .

Several bottled nutes have the omri labels on their bottles but they're not organic. They have salts and chemical preservatives in them, like phosphoric acid, folic acid and calcium nitrate.

Omri claims to be non profit but yet they take fees for certifications.

There's several lawsuits against kellogs. From school districts that have at schools kellogs soils in their play ground and fields.

Kellogs also has contracts with monsanto just like scotts.

Best to make your own compost and your own worm castings - vermicompost and make your own soil mixes and emulate nature.

My mix (clackamas coots mix adjusted ) equal parts :

peat moss, vermicompost , garden pumice (aeration) .

Per cubic foot:

1/2 cup kelp meal
1/2 cup crab shell meal
1/2 cup fish bone meal
1/4 cup ahimsa neem cake
1 cup oyster shell flour
3-4 cups basalt rock dust.

Mix up and store in a tote or trash can and water lightly. Turn once a week for 4-6 weeks. That's the cooking process. Which is basically waiting for everything to break down and is readily available for the plant to uptake. and all the microbial life activates. After 4-6 weeks it's ready to use and you only have to use plain water. No bottled anything. The nutes are in the soil.

That's as organic and simple as it gets.

Read this thread


https://www.rollitup.org/t/recycled-organic-living-soil-rols-and-no-till-thread.636057/

hyroot said:

It's garbage and full of chemicals and bio solids. And bio solids are byproduct of sewage treatement.

Kellogs, scotts, and miracle gro are all the furthest thing from organic.

Get a bale of peat moss from lowes. Then go to a nursery and get some compost, worm castings, and garden pumice and mix it all up in equal part . Then add what ever amendments you want then cook the soil for a month.


Google clackamas coots, no till living soil, probiotic farming, Korean natural farming technique.

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Glad you mentioned this as I gave up on that soil ing ago after learning about sewage and bio solids. Grotty!

hyroot said:

It's garbage and full of chemicals and bio solids. And bio solids are byproduct of sewage treatement.

Kellogs, scotts, and miracle gro are all the furthest thing from organic.

Get a bale of peat moss from lowes. Then go to a nursery and get some compost, worm castings, and garden pumice and mix it all up in equal part . Then add what ever amendments you want then cook the soil for a month.


Google clackamas coots, no till living soil, probiotic farming, Korean natural farming technique.

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I don't believe Kellogg's Patio Plus Organic has ever been accused of having bio-solids in it, but their Topper, Amend, and Growmulch have been.

Here's the website hyroot is quoting if anybody wants to read it.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Kellogg_Garden_Products

I'd personally want to see the ingredient list from the Dept. of Agriculture before I take one website's word for it that everybody quotes when this subject comes up which still has nothing to say about Patio Plus. I haven't used Patio Plus in years, but it worked well when I used it and it was cheap which is a requirement for some people. If I get a chance to look into it this week I'll give the Dept. of Agriculture a call and see if these claims are true.

hyroot said:

First check with state dept of agriculture. All companies are required disclose all ingredients to them in order to register their product for sale. They are not required to list all ingredients on labels at all. No nutrient or soil or fertilizer companies ever do. You will see kellogs is gmo fertz and buys their bio soilid's from EMA - L.A. and inland empire sewage treatment plants .

You are new to the world of growing obviouslsy. It's a well known fact that kellogs is garbage. If you did a little research you would know better. Google kellogs uses bio solids.

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Apparently, my research is more focused and more current than yours. From Kellogg's FAQ:

Do any of your products contain bio-solids/sewage sludge?
Of the 300+ products we produce, four products once contained biosolids. Since we have moved to register all of our products to be compliant with the USDA’s National Organic Program (NOP), none of our products contain bio-solids/sewage sludge in any form. Bio-solids/sewage sludge is a prohibited ingredient under USDA’s National Organic Program. All Kellogg Garden Organics and G&B Organics branded products are approved by the California Department of Food and Ag Organic Input Materials (OIM) program and listed with the Organic Materials Review Institute (OMRI). No product with an OIM seal or OMRIseal on the bag may contain bio-solids/sewage sludge.

Here's the link: Kellogg FAQ

As an FYI, Patio Plus, which is the subject of this thread is not one of the four products mentioned above and has never contained biosolids. Incidentally, I am not new to growing but as I had already mentioned, I have not used Patio Plus to grow weed as I need so little soil cost is not a factor and I have a favorite mix that does well for me so I have no need to explore other soils. Have to admit though, this thread is making me consider doing it so I can bank some actual facts should the subject come up again in the future. Again, I have had very good success using it for other plants. As an actual user of the product, I cannot agree with your assessment.