Keeping the dog off?

Higher Education

Higher Education

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ilikebud said:
I walked past a drug dog in Turin airport with 2 1/8s on me in nothing more than a self=seal bag and a little cologne sprayed on. They can be beat... trust!
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They can be beat, but it is totally a time factor. As mentioned by someone else above, every substance known to man is permeable. Some are permeated at slower rates than others, but all are permeated eventually. The best thing anyone could do is air seal their herb as late as humanly possible before leaving to transport it. If you seal the minute you leave, then you are much less likely to be caught. I wouldn't recommend this for traveling across country though, only across town. Also, gloves should be worn to assure that no resin is transmitted to the outside of the bag.
 
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guestrollitup

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First, DO NOT USE FIBER/PLEXIGLASS.. The fibers are not dense enough, that's why you will get condensation on the otherside of a sheet.


http://www.smellyproof.com/

Works great for me, sterilize the outside of the bag (hot water) and no dog will detect it, trust me. (air planes :) )
 
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ilikebud

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Higher Education said:
They can be beat, but it is totally a time factor. As mentioned by someone else above, every substance known to man is permeable. Some are permeated at slower rates than others, but all are permeated eventually. The best thing anyone could do is air seal their herb as late as humanly possible before leaving to transport it. If you seal the minute you leave, then you are much less likely to be caught. I wouldn't recommend this for traveling across country though, only across town. Also, gloves should be worn to assure that no resin is transmitted to the outside of the bag.
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I just loaded up 2 bags, stuck then in an oyster card holed and doused it with cologne

Barrett said:
First, DO NOT USE FIBER/PLEXIGLASS.. The fibers are not dense enough, that's why you will get condensation on the otherside of a sheet.


http://www.smellyproof.com/

Works great for me, sterilize the outside of the bag (hot water) and no dog will detect it, trust me. (air planes :) )
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I've been through cop stops with an ounce or more in these bags... they are the best. Thank for the tip about puting the bag in boiling water tho :)
 
Higher Education

Higher Education

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Barrett said:
First, DO NOT USE FIBER/PLEXIGLASS.. The fibers are not dense enough, that's why you will get condensation on the otherside of a sheet.


http://www.smellyproof.com/

Works great for me, sterilize the outside of the bag (hot water) and no dog will detect it, trust me. (air planes :) )
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I am skeptical. Have you ever had a dog sniff you several hours or a day after sealing the weed in the bag?
 
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born2killspam

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I once had a drug dog (or a police dog posing as a drug dog) brush its face up against my bag in my pocket.. It was a REALLY crowded hallway before lunch, and when I realized they were there, it would have been impossible to avoid the encounter without making a big scene.. (I saw the cops, but the dog I saw at the last minute).. It didn't flinch, but it was one of those bags you can smell youself from a warm pocket..
Begs the question as to why.. Was it too sketched out by the crowd?? The dog seemed to be calmer than I typically am in a crowd like that.. Or was it not on duty per se?? Or again, was it not really a drug dog, but rather a force of intimidation they liked to walk around lockers?? I saw dogs more than a few times at that school, but never heard of it sniffing anything out that was obviously there to be sniffed..
 
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guestrollitup

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Police officers are trained to notice who is acting suspicious, just like when they set up fake "drug stops" and pull over anyone who attempts to turn around, throws something out the window, etc. as having a DRUG STOP is against the law, so is setting up a dog and searching people.

It's against the law in Canada at least, they cannot use a dog to gain probable cause to search or detain.

Where I live "drug dogs" are few and far between, and cadaver dogs (search and rescue) are prevalent, they use this tactic in schools as whoever is acting suspisious they simply ask to search them.

As a kid I purposefully would act suspicious and when they told me to empty my pockets I gave them a giant "fuck you, I'm not waiving my rights".. "I'll empty them once you arrest me".. It was always great fun, as they would call there supervisor and they would then be told to leave me alone.

http://nathanr.ca/law/canada-high-court-rules-police-dogs-sniff-is-unlawful-search/

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Higher Education, I've been sniffed right threw by a drug dog, they sniffed my locker (it was in smelly proof bag, was about 14 grams).. Nothing, They sniffed me and found a nickel in my pocket from packing a bowl a few weeks ago, it went threw the wash. It could have been because I was stoned to hell, not sure WHAT the dog smelled.

The dog picked up the .5g/me from about 10 metres away.

They didn't even find the nickel, they assumed I was smoking it and AGAIN when the dog went nuts I said i'm not consenting to a search. They fucked off.

:)

Sad thing is, most students don't know there rights.

MAKE SURE THERE IS NOT RESIDUE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BAG. Cannot stress that enough, sometimes its enough to hit a drug dog.
 
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born2killspam

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Pretty much what I assumed too.. But its much more convoluted than that legally.. As long as the principal requested police involvement there are a million routes to admissabilty of any evidence found.. The supreme court has said that personal areas within schools and workplaces carry a diminished expectation of privacy in Canada, but thats icing on the cake.. Even off public grounds in Canada, the police have alot more authority than ppl think..
 
Silky Shagsalot

Silky Shagsalot

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i made several trips back and forth to a-dam when stationed in germany, with hash. the majority of the times when dogs alert on their target, it's because of residue on the outside of the packaging. what good does it do to seal something if you have residue all over your hands? we would wrap the stuff completely, washing our hands and putting on rubber gloves between each layer. after that, melting candles, and sealing the package in wax. i had a dog jump on to my lap one time, and sniff around. never had a problem. course, for insurance, the bag with some souvenirs and the ball of wax was a couple seats back in the overhead bin. (no fingerprints either.) a dog's nose is nothing to take for granted!
 
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Shik

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If a dog alerts in USA, it gives them reason to search the area (car, bike, you). Got to remember to sterilize the outside of the bags, good call on that one.
 
Higher Education

Higher Education

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Barrett said:
Police officers are trained to notice who is acting suspicious, just like when they set up fake "drug stops" and pull over anyone who attempts to turn around, throws something out the window, etc. as having a DRUG STOP is against the law, so is setting up a dog and searching people.

It's against the law in Canada at least, they cannot use a dog to gain probable cause to search or detain.

Where I live "drug dogs" are few and far between, and cadaver dogs (search and rescue) are prevalent, they use this tactic in schools as whoever is acting suspisious they simply ask to search them.

As a kid I purposefully would act suspicious and when they told me to empty my pockets I gave them a giant "fuck you, I'm not waiving my rights".. "I'll empty them once you arrest me".. It was always great fun, as they would call there supervisor and they would then be told to leave me alone.

http://nathanr.ca/law/canada-high-court-rules-police-dogs-sniff-is-unlawful-search/

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Higher Education, I've been sniffed right threw by a drug dog, they sniffed my locker (it was in smelly proof bag, was about 14 grams).. Nothing, They sniffed me and found a nickel in my pocket from packing a bowl a few weeks ago, it went threw the wash. It could have been because I was stoned to hell, not sure WHAT the dog smelled.

The dog picked up the .5g/me from about 10 metres away.

They didn't even find the nickel, they assumed I was smoking it and AGAIN when the dog went nuts I said i'm not consenting to a search. They fucked off.

:)

Sad thing is, most students don't know there rights.

MAKE SURE THERE IS NOT RESIDUE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BAG. Cannot stress that enough, sometimes its enough to hit a drug dog.
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You never specified the time period in which you put the weed in the bag. I never said I didn't believe those bags worked. I just don't believe they last for anymore than a few hours to a day. Every material know to man has microscopic holes in which odors eventually find their way through. You can't trick a dog by masking the smell either. They can distinguish between smells like a human can distinguish between different colors in a painting.

Also, it sounds like legal rights mean a lot more in Canada than in America. In my particular state, if you don't allow the cops to search your car then you will lose your license for a year. They don't need evidence for shit. They can stop you and search you for no apparent reason. If a cop wants to search your house, he will make up a probable cause. Barry Cooper, a retired DEA agent now advacating weed, admitted to pretending to smell weed smoke in people's houses when they answered the door when he in fact didn't just so he could come in and do a search. There isn't as much respect for the written law here in America.
 
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born2killspam

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No, not any material.. Its seams and exterior contamination etc that pose the problem when the material should be impermeable.. A stainless steel, or glass vessel completely sealed via welding etc would not leak cannabinoids, they're kind of bulky molecules.. Think about gas canisters.. Anything resembling material rated to contain teeny energetic molecules like propane, O2, CO2, will DEFINATELY not allow cannabinoids to pass..
 
M Blaze

M Blaze

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Put some of the "Piss Off Plant" (Plectranthus) with your stash and no dog will want to go near it.
 
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born2killspam

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Is that just theory at this point, or has it proven itself somewhat?? Possibly a great idea, but potentially a really bad one since dogs can be trained to alert on non-drug odours associated with trafficking..
 
HowardWCampbell

HowardWCampbell

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Higher Education said:
In my particular state, if you don't allow the cops to search your car then you will lose your license for a year.
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That is some scary shit. What state are you in if you don't mind me asking? Seems like someone with the money needs to fight this. How is that not a violation of the fourth amendment?
 
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born2killspam

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I get that, but what is the probability that others have thought of the same thing, and the dogs are trained to alert when they encounter that hated odour?? I mean they do sell it as a pet repellant after all, so it wouldn't surprise me if its been tried enough to warrant counter-measures..
Similar to how dogs are often trained to alert when they encounter coffee..
 
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guestrollitup

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born2killspam said:
Pretty much what I assumed too.. But its much more convoluted than that legally.. As long as the principal requested police involvement there are a million routes to admissabilty of any evidence found.. The supreme court has said that personal areas within schools and workplaces carry a diminished expectation of privacy in Canada, but thats icing on the cake.. Even off public grounds in Canada, the police have alot more authority than ppl think..
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Haha, No.

Let's just say, I know you're mislead (Not trying to sound like a ego-infested jackass). I have experience in the field, and all they teach you is NOT to ignore the rights of civilians.

I had a friend that was eventually cut off the force because he unlawfully detained a girl because he smelled alcohol. No, Police Officers are trained to NOT protrude on our rights, but they litterly go threw over 80 hours of courses teaching you how to use loopholes.

The supreme court DID state that the TEACHER may do the search IF they have enough probable cause to determine the person(s) was a possible danger to the school.

The case you are citing is when a kid was searched for a knife, and the teacher found marijuana.

The kid also claimed he was not asked to be searched, you are waiving your rights if you do not speak up for them in regards to protecting public saftey.

If anyone was put in a situation where the teacher (NOT police) was going to search them citing them as a danger to the school then all they have to do is claim.

"I will not consent to any further searches, If you insist on searching me due to concerns of saftey I will leave the premise now"; and you walk off the property.

MOST teachers do not know they can search you on probable cause, they assume

A) Get a police officer
B) I can search whoever and whatever I want

Canadians are in general very protective of our national freedoms and rights of security. Mind you, our police force is MUCH smaller then that of America's, so the pressure on them is greater.
 
eversmokedDumpster

eversmokedDumpster

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something simple like telling the officer that u or your children have severe pet dander allergies makes a big difference, worked like a charm for me not a bad idea to keep sum pepper or something to make u really sneeze, it would seal the deal. just something to think about :peace:
 
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privateaero

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On how effective dogs are. I was in a police raid, we knew it was going to happen so we only had personal on us. We had just sold a joint to a friend and he put it in his sock and smoked all our weed in a big fat blunt. Cops bust in, friend eats rest of blunt. Everyone is on the ground and my friend with the joint in his sock is right in front of the door all the cops are using. They bring the dog in and it literally walks right over him, nothin. I talked to a trainer a couple years later asking if the smoke from the blunt threw the dog off but he said it was probably trained shitty, or an attack dog. Big shortage on drug dogs.
 
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