Kaboom a slow cloner?

I've got two Kaboom clones that have been in the EZ Clone for 21 days now. They look healthy, happy, and are showing no signs at all of roots. Is it a slow cloning strain? I normally get roots between days 10-14.

Thanks!

hmm, not sure. never got to cloning, they were spittin male flowers though.

A lot has to do with where you took it from on the plant, how long before taking the clone did you feed the mother. Obviously some strains are different in regards to how they clone, but most times it has to do with the things I mentioned rather than the strain. As I said, some are different but not much. Some are harder but the more I use the ez-cloner which is basically fail/idiot/anything -proof, aside from lack of electricity to keep it running. I think it makes cloning way way simpler than any other method. I know everyone is gonna say yeah I get 100% etc... yeah so do I and the only thing I have to do is not kick the plug out aside from taking the cut and whatever else mentioned here. Not that I'm lazy in any way at all but I'm a firm believer in human error, murphy's law or whatever you wanna call it, but rooters can dry out on you, dirt is slow, rock wool... as a organic dirt grower do you really want that shit on your plant going in your dirt? I can live without it. Not to mention you always gotta keep buying that stuff. Every once in awhile you have to replace the 2" pucks for like $15 per 50 or something.

Back to the regularly scheduled response...some factors will cause rooting to take longer... Nothing wrong with it/them but it just takes a bit longer, its usually when you start seeing the leaves look like shit/showing deficiency's when the roots will start popping for you; I.E. no more food left in the leaves so they toss out the roots to find go some.

Next time you take clones take it from the bottom of the plant if you can, if you can avoid giving them N or any food for that matter as long as possible before taking the cuts that will make it shorter. Otherwise... you see what happens, they just take forever, I've had them go over a month. I think you can get cloning times down to the 5-7 day ready for dirt if you really tried tweaking and proper timing of taking cuts from the mothers.

I dont really worry about it myself but I just give myself enough time, if you are running on a time frame, then it may be worth starving them a little if possible, and trying to keep the lower branches looking healthy, I know thats what causes me to take cuts from the upper part of the plant, I veg under flouro's so I dont get enough light penetration to my lowers which end up always looking like shit...

Whats in your cloner as far as a solution?

I use straight out of the tap water, no bubbling or RO, its not worth wasting on this. I run it as warm as I can get it (not hot, 70-75, some say higher but I really dont worry about it aside from keeping it above 72 or so) and in order to not have to worry about a nasty slimy cloner and water, as I fill it up with warm tap water, I throw a couple oz's of hydrogen peroxide in... I'll start with 2 or 3 oz's in my 60 site ez-cloner and fill the reservoir up until the misters are just in the water, as much as possible without hindering the sprayers/misters... And I never worry about PH either before you ask, I run the same water with no rooting hormones, no nothing aside from the peroxide and as of recently, after 4-5 or so days I'll throw a tablespoon or so (thats all I've added so far) of general organics ca/mg+ and a couple will explode with roots after adding the ca/mg.... I dont know why they do that, but it does work for whatever reason... I'll have to look into it but I tried it for the first time on my most recent batch of clones.... a couple from 1 plant shot roots quickly and within 2 days they had enough root to take them if I needed to but I like to get a nice set of roots going before putting them in dirt, but no roots were there prior to putting in the ca/mg+.

I honestly cant say enough good about this method of cloning, there is no easier/better way I feel. Seriously, I've done it every which way and this is the best I think. You dont need the $400 ez cloner either if you'd like to try it, look for DIY bucket cloners that use a small pond pump with misters etc.. The mister frame can be made out of 1/2 or 3/4" PVC and fittings.

thats a really good post whitey! this spring i put several mothers in some relatively hot soil, that didnt really sit at all. it was mixed and used right away. cloning off of theses plants has been a nightmare!! terrible perccentages and lots of dampening off

Thanks guys.

I get 90%+ success rate when cloning thus far. I mainline, so the clones usually come from either the first or third node pairs. I use half-strength Clonex in the rez, RO water, CalMag+. This is the only plant I've had take this long out of about 60 clones of 9 strains over the last 6 weeks. I'll keep watching them. Like I said, they look healthy -- just no roots.

I'm sorry about the lesson plan in your thread BW... I've been smoking some of my AOS that I took on the early side and I end up going off on a wild tangent (as if I didnt before the early ace) and before I know it I got a 3 page report going unrelated to the original question... Then I look at it and think... why waste a good post? and post it anyway... my bad man... I got add...adhd and all that good stuff if no ones noticed yet...

KK.. It happens to me all the time, I used to wonder why but I was always taking cuts off of plants that I was trying to push as hard as I could (for better or worse) so I was always getting 3 and 4 week rooting times even in rooters and even longer in coco when I was trying it that way... when all these other guys were getting 7-10 day roots in the ez cloners... I had it all boxed up and decided I may as well use the $400 tool that I've been keeping in a box for the past year...

But then I figured out and started going with the sterile res after a couple runs of stanky-res, I dont mind the rooting times but the upkeep on the ez-cloner can get crazy if you let it... But I figured out this way now theres no real reason to keep it all proper, the clones arent eating so I just keep it clean... I used to fill it with tap, run my clones for 24 hours, when the PH went off the charts by the next morning, I'd change the water... run for another 24... change the water and then go PH crazy with absolutely no need... Now the peroxide keeps it clean, I've ran it for over 30 days without doing anything (never checking PH once) but add more warm tap water with a little more peroxide... if I go that far. It has never had a stink to it since, usually the water is as clean (smelling) as it was when it went it, only the little pieces of roots and stem let me know otherwise... I've heard of people using pool shock, bleach and then peroxide was one I felt was safe enough using and increases o2 at the same time...

And BW... Now that I will be going the mainline route myself I've started playing with clones as far as where I cut them at and I've been finding on fully mature alternating node clones that instead of taking the end cut where your starting with 1 node, I take that clone and then I go on the same branch and take another cut that already has 2 nodes on it... I'll grab a few pics later on of one I did this way and its a good way to get a head start on trying to get 2 nodes that are close, dont get me wrong, nothing is like working off a plant that hasnt started alternating nodes yet... I havent grown any out yet and have just been trying to get a good start with mature clones but I'll show you what I've been doing..

Once a month I break down the cloner, run everything through the dishwasher except the pump, scrub the pump, and start with new solution. Yeah, it's easy for the upkeep to get missed on those things.