Just A Neutral Minded Observation

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audiB8RS4

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Hello everyone,
i joined this site not to long ago,and been lurking allot reading as much as i can. Here is a concern i have that maybe some others have too..Now its pretty simple but ill get to the point.

you guys are trying to get cannabis lezalized in your respective states no? Well i hear from allot of non supporters of this that cannabis is a "Gateway drug"
while sure this is true with some people, others have no will to try other things.

so i ask this if this site supports legalization of marijuana in the USA,Why do you have a subforum for Hallucinatory substances or other drugs? browsing these forums, Lots of mention of Cocaine,opium,LSD,Shrooms,etc etc etc.

keep in mind anyone in the world can acess this site, to me having a subforum like this is just more ammo for the boneheads who wanna keep cannabis illegal for those of you in the USA. They will Equate those that do cannabis will also do other hardcore drugs. This is not the only Forum i have seen this on.

I speak this little observation and thought from someone who once lived in the USA,but now lives in South Africa.

There are seperate forums for Halcinatory substances,isnt that topic more fitting on another Website that is dedicated to that, Not a Cannabis site?

i am in no way trying to start a flame war just wondering what you fellow smokers think.

Peace
Jorgebongsmilie
 
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cadillacboi420

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first of all people call marijuana a gate way drug i uinderstand this point of view. if your the white right wing high on god in the government prick you know why they call pot the gateway drug because they say it is stop calling it a drug its not if pots agateway drug then alcohol and tobacco and pharmeceuticals whip its, dust off, paint, glue, should be as well. as a matter of fact with that thinking schools harbor the most gateway drugs in the world. when you keep hearing something over and over you start to believe it. cause and effect thinking. look at what it is that happens and weigh measure its effects as you believe. 2 we(me) are for the legalization of marijuana even though the other non medical drugs as you mentioned the cocaine hallucinogens i believe thats just a "while were on the topics of "drugs" check this out and im sure the context of discussions of those forums are anywhere near what you think they are outside of personal experimentation and stories a select few may boaster the allusively happy lifestyle of such drugs i doubt they discuss the manufacturing or liberation of such "drugs" its all in the context and meaning. and if our government cant measure outcome and continue to supress our freedom and our right to a voice and a choice (the pot smokers club is huge) we want to stop being treated as criminals when you should be worrying abot the thieves rapists child molester and murderers and bad parents nd leave responsible people to live! i rambled but if they continue to suppress will continue to do it in stealth closets and share ideas openly
 
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audiB8RS4

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cadillacboi420 said:
first of all people call marijuana a gate way drug i uinderstand this point of view. if your the white right wing high on god in the government prick you know why they call pot the gateway drug because they say it is stop calling it a drug its not if pots agateway drug then alcohol and tobacco and pharmeceuticals whip its, dust off, paint, glue, should be as well. as a matter of fact with that thinking schools harbor the most gateway drugs in the world. when you keep hearing something over and over you start to believe it. cause and effect thinking. look at what it is that happens and weigh measure its effects as you believe. 2 we(me) are for the legalization of marijuana even though the other non medical drugs as you mentioned the cocaine hallucinogens i believe thats just a "while were on the topics of "drugs" check this out and im sure the context of discussions of those forums are anywhere near what you think they are outside of personal experimentation and stories a select few may boaster the allusively happy lifestyle of such drugs i doubt they discuss the manufacturing or liberation of such "drugs" its all in the context and meaning. and if our government cant measure outcome and continue to supress our freedom and our right to a voice and a choice (the pot smokers club is huge) we want to stop being treated as criminals when you should be worrying abot the thieves rapists child molester and murderers and bad parents nd leave responsible people to live! i rambled but if they continue to suppress will continue to do it in stealth closets and share ideas openly
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I agree with you, tobacco alcahol are all much worse for your health IMO. why are these legal. everything can be classified as a gateway drug.but Marijuana is definatly the "Target" of when you say "Gateway drug" quite simply when you say this people think marijuana.
 
OregonMeds

OregonMeds

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Some people believe only you have the right to choose what you put in your body, pot or shrooms or LSD or crack doesn't matter it's your brain and your right to feel any way you like. (regardless of what the government says) And they don't support censorship either. This site isn't here to legalize it's here to help and inform and talk etc.


And there is no such thing as a gateway drug anyway, that's just made up. Your brain is full of "gateway drugs" naturally, that's how it operates, and you take a hit every time you are scared, hurt, attracted to someone, or whatever. Blame your own brain for being the original gateway drug supplier, if there were such a thing.
 
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audiB8RS4

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OregonMeds said:
Some people believe only you have the right to choose what you put in your body, pot or shrooms or LSD or crack doesn't matter it's your brain and your right to feel any way you like. (regardless of what the government says)

And there is no such thing as a gateway drug anyway, that's just made up. Your brain is full of gateway drugs naturally that's how it operates and you take a hit every time you are scared, hurt, attracted to someone, or whatever.
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I see what your saying,i agree totally!
But what im saying is those US goverment boneheads dont care, these guys are not openminded,and outlaw somthing that has many medicinal uses.
These people that are making the laws(how many of them actually smoked marijuana and knows the effects? if they did they would know it is not as bad as Alcahol.)(At least in my case) i dunno i just feel for you guys int he USA that are not classified as Legal,and those getting busted for something that was put on earth by someone greater. Who has the right to make a Plant illegal?

IMO marijuana is not addictive,nothing like cigs(ive smoked for 20 years).

I just think a forum that deals with other drugs, ones ive mentioned in the earlier post should be on a forum that deals with that. IMO it does not shed a good light on those that want it legalized and that are responsible with it.

Jorgebongsmilie
 
Man o' the green

Man o' the green

Active Member
audiB8RS4 said:
I just think a forum that deals with other drugs, ones ive mentioned in the earlier post should be on a forum that deals with that. IMO it does not shed a good light on those that want it legalized and that are responsible with it.

Jorgebongsmilie
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There are many things on this forum that would be counter-productive to legalization ( of anything .. ) In fact, legalization itself may be inconvenient to some who use this site.
However, I think that most people here would agree that prohibition in general does not work, and we would all be better off without it in some way ( medical or recreational )
I think this is a site that is about freedom, and it's a good thing that a particular political agenda is not the goal. Lets say I personally don't like shrooms, I would still fight and die to protect the freedom to do it. That's what I believe is right, regardless of my country, I am a freedom-loving person.
To me, this site represents two different things : 1) Freedom of speech and the open exchange of information 2) Freedom of personal action. These, to me, are basic human rights.
Thankfully we have a place to explore those freedoms, and do what we enjoy, despite whatever irrational laws that may exist.
But I think this site has another, less obvious contribution to the legalization movement, the spread of knowledge about MJ and the community who grows and uses it. The community ( and its growth in numbers ) itself speaks to how accepted this is becoming in society and the rejection of government interference, at least in this particular aspect of our lives. It's very size and existence is more important than the content.

"Prohibition...goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."
Abraham Lincoln,
December 1840
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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You make some very good points. Personally I don't gravitate toward the hallucinogenic section so it does not bother me too much. And you are correct about anybody having the ability to see the site. But in addition to seeing threads about meth and ecstasy, they also see threads such as this one. Or a thread about kittens.

My main point as a response is that this is not NORML. Re-legalization, although a admirable goal, is not the primary focus of this forum. Cannabis cultivation is the driving force here. Everything else here is just gravy as far as I am concerned.
 
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audiB8RS4

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you all make great points, its nice to have a constructive conversation about this.
Anyone else care to share their thoughts?:eyesmoke:
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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audiB8RS4 said:
you all make great points, its nice to have a constructive conversation about this.
Anyone else care to share their thoughts?:eyesmoke:
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I had another thought.

If you go to some of the more egregious hard drug threads you will see quite a few powerful reactions from the members here.

Recently there was a thread where the OP was thinking about trying heroin and he got hammered by the members. I can remember other threads about crack and meth with similar reaction from the membership.

Outsiders read those responses, too. They see our criticism of the harder drugs, lamenting the gateway theory which lumps us all together.

So maybe it's not a bad thing after all.
 
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audiB8RS4

Member
yes i did see the same things,so i would agree,but i also see threads about 2C experimental hallucinagens where it is accepted by many of the posting persons.


Maybe my arguement is baseless, because there are very good points in defense to each side.
 
catnips

catnips

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I agree that you bring up some valid points in your posts; however, I am inclined, personally, to be more inclusive than exclusive. Thus, I am fine that there are non-cultivation of cannabis threads on the forum. To each their own particular area of interest!
 
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