Jesus Christ never existed

Zaehet Strife

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meh. i dont really care there or none, im sure there was someone they based the bible off of, or just morals to live by.
You're sure? Does that mean certain? Does that mean that you just want it to be true, so you are telling yourself it is? How can you be certain of something in which you are not certain about? What does it mean i wonder? I wonder if i wonder too much...
 

UncleBuck

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historians are pretty sure that he existed, good enough for me. baptism and crucifixion records and all.

i'm just surprised the records survived that many years.
 

joe macclennan

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the question should not be whether a man named jesus christ ever lived....shit for all we know someone could be named that now.

the real question should be was this man actually as legend describes.

I doubt it.
 

PhatPhuker

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Historians have criteria that have to be met in order for something to be considered a Historical document. The Gospels meet those requirements and then some. Consider that the Gospels were written between 20-120 years after the death of Christ by multiple sources,and name multiple eye witnesses. Now contrast that with the fact that everything you know about Alexander the Great was written 400 years after his death and mostly form one source. Do we even ask if Alexander existed? This is not to say that Jesus is or is not the son of God, but yes, he did exist.
And the 911 commision released its report a couple of years after that event, with numerous experts and eyewitnesses and so called true facts.
Blah Blah Blah. it was all BS. Religions are a clever form of crowd control over the masses, and power/wealth for a select group.
So was the "Official" historical account of the events of 911. and the undocumented truth as well.
2014 years ago or just 13 years ago. Same results....
Its all still lies, cast onto the people to hold some form of control over them.
It works miracles for the powers that be, Lol...
 

sunni

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You're sure? Does that mean certain? Does that mean that you just want it to be true, so you are telling yourself it is? How can you be certain of something in which you are not certain about? What does it mean i wonder? I wonder if i wonder too much...
im not religious in that sense, i was raised roman catholic and have to go to church this sunday for my uncles funeral im hoping i dont burst into flames walking into the place
 

mudminer

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im not religious in that sense, i was raised roman catholic and have to go to church this sunday for my uncles funeral im hoping i dont burst into flames walking into the place
Naw! Don't sweat it Sunni. I've been there and had that experience already. No spontaneous human combustion. No collapsing ceiling beams. There is the possibility of some good old fashioned, purely "human" condemnation but nothing a person can't get from any given christian on any given day.
 

NevaSmokedOut

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i believe that Jesus was a symbol, an allegory even for the hope and good will of humankind. he represents the kindred kindness, inner hippy and good will in human beings. i don't question the existence of god(s) nor do i deny them, we're all beings of some omnipotent enigmatic force spiritually. after all who knows what and where the afterlife looks like.
 

B.B.V.C.

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I actually read a book about Jesus, I wish I could remember the name of it but it actually had a lot more to do with the state of affairs in the roman empire at the time, Pontius Pilate, who was the guy who actually sentenced Jesus to be crucified and about Tiberius who was empire at the time. I'm not into the whole religion thing at all but I am in to history and I believe Jesus was a real person and he did preach religion and he was put to death for it by the roman empire. As far as the religious side of it, thats up to individual people to decide on for their own
 

Dr Gruber

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And the 911 commision released its report a couple of years after that event, with numerous experts and eyewitnesses and so called true facts.
Blah Blah Blah. it was all BS. Religions are a clever form of crowd control over the masses, and power/wealth for a select group.
So was the "Official" historical account of the events of 911. and the undocumented truth as well.
2014 years ago or just 13 years ago. Same results....
Its all still lies, cast onto the people to hold some form of control over them.
It works miracles for the powers that be, Lol...

Sure, but we all know that 9-11 existed don't we?

So are all historical records BS or just the ones you don't like or agree with?

Hitler, Stalin, Gandhii, didn't exist because I never met them.
 

Mister Sister

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Prayer is without, probably sending energy to the false light (the trickster), who will do some things that essentially set you up, so it can feed off the energy expended praying
Prayer is within, in my eyes. And so is Jesus..I think I understand what you're saying though, and there is merit to it.
 

Nevaeh420

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There is a big difference between Jesus and the REAL Christ. Jesus is a fictional character from a book filled with fallacious stories. The REAL Christ is a REAL Person that is alive today. There is nothing fictional about the REAL Christ, but no one believes in the REAL Christ. The people that have witnessed the REAL Christ, believe He is crazy, go figure.

~PEACE~
 

PetFlora

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Whether you believe or not that Jesus manifested in the physical does not change whether he did.

I'm going on the assumption that he did, BUT, it also certainly seems like his teachings were perverted by the church and state at that time, in an effort to regain control the population, who was emboldened by what he had to say

I doubt he was born in a manger to the virgin Mary, certainly not on Christmas day (a pagan holiday that no one should support) or that he was crucified

No matter where you stand, you gotta love the fact that he was a radical who fought against the establishment. He came down hard on the money lenders. Barter anyone?
 

Scroga

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No one has mentioned the shroud of Turin? Anyways I believe he was the original hippy ... preaching the values of meditation and ultimate love ... he became a cult leader and it gained followers, the church had little influence on this growing group of non believers spreading their words of peace and awakening others to the bull shit , his following was gaining so much momentum that the powers that were needed to quash this civil unrest... nip it in the bud ...
Jesus, Lennon,jfk it's all the same... good people voicing beliefs about a better way vs the complex
 

Zaehet Strife

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"The Shroud of Turin is a world-famous piece of cloth alleged to have been the burial garment of Jesus Christ. The shroud is held up by believers as evidence not only of Christ's existence but also of his divinity. But is the shroud real? Or is it a fake?
In this analysis, it should be kept in mind that the story of jesus christ in the New Testament and other Christian texts is demonstrably fictional, created in order to unify the Roman Empire under one state religion. In doing so, the Church forged hundreds of texts, which were constantly reworked, mutilated and interpolated over the centuries.

In its quest to establish a religion to gain power and wealth, the Church forgery mill did not limit itself to mere writings but for centuries cranked out thousands of phony "relics" of its "Lord," "Apostles" and "Saints." Although true believers keep attempting to prove otherwise, through one implausible theory after another, the Shroud of Turin is counted among this group of frauds:There were at least 26 "authentic" burial shrouds scattered throughout the abbeys of Europe, of which the Shroud of Turin is just one.... The Shroud of Turin is one of the many relics manufactured for profit during the Middle Ages. Shortly after the Shroud emerged it was declared a fake by the bishop who discovered the artist. This is verified by recent scientific investigation which found paint in the image areas. The Shroud of Turin is also not consistent with Gospel accounts of Jesus' burial, which clearly refer to multiple cloths and a separate napkin over his face.

In the literature, we find references to shrouds of Milan, Lodz, Nice, Aix-la-Chapelle and Besançon, among others. Concerning this issue of relic-forging, Dr. Gerald Larue remarks: Carbon-14 dating has demonstrated that the shroud is a 14th-century forgery and is one of many such deliberately created relics produced in the same period, all designed to attract pilgrims to specific shrines to enhance and increase the status and financial income of the local church."
 

Scroga

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I do remember hearing it was fake, just wanted to hear what others had to say...you said it well lol
 

ULEN

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Your star wars screen name is close. His fam goes by Akin. Justus, everybody knows that.
 
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