Jacks Cleaner Myth or Legend

subcool

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[FONT=&quot]You may not have heard of the strain Jacks Cleaner, but among collectors of Elite genetics it has become somewhat of an urban legend. This is due to a few factors. The first is I grew it for many years before other respected growers tried it and let me know it was probably the best Sativa Hybrid in existence. In 1997 I had a gathering known in breeder circles as “Jamaica 1” several respected under ground breeder/growers met at my place and we spent 3 days toking testing talking and feasting on BBQ and southern food. We had a un official judging and JC won every first place vote. Now maybe the guys were just being nice because I tossed the gig but I knew at least I had found a great strain. But where did it come from?
I got my first PC in about 1994 it was an Acer 133 and soon found a great deal of information on Cannabis, certainly not anything like today but it led me to grow chats where I met others that shared an interest for growing. One of the first I became close online friends with was a guy with the nick ‘Skoosh’. I was amazed that there was another seriously hard working tax paying Loyal American that waked and baked everyday of his adult life. We swapped stories online, toked while we typed and found out we both love ice cream. He offered me some seeds and over time traded around what we each had. He sent me about 200 seeds of a old strain called Skoosh that was pretty infamous in his circles and I started cracking large treys looking for a keeper. The make up of these seeds were Pluton, Lambs bread, Purple Haze, and Northern Lights. What mix or pattern these crosses occurred I am not sure. Most of what I found was not impressive, super thin spindly sativa’s and mutants with whorled leaves. I did find a few that seemed normal and grew them to maturity. Of all the seeds I started over a period of a year one phenotype stood out. It was a extremely resinous ultra lemon wonder. It reminded me of a house hold cleaner named “Mr Clean” So I named it “The Cleaner”. It had one poor trait and that was weak stems and smaller size. I had not yet read botany and we all thought breeders were smarter than god so it was just luck I had a Jack Herer male from Sensi Seeds that I was to lazy to kill and just placed in a dark garage. It refused to die so I placed a small 12” Cleaner clone with him and she produced about 35 seeds.
From these I selected the best female and tossed all the males. From these was the Phenotype many now consider to be the holy grail of Cannabis, Jacks Cleaner is a large heavy producer with ultra white raised trichomes that actually give the plant a gooey appearance. Heavy citrus with over bearing lemon smell and taste I have yet to see anything like it. In 2003 we out crossed the P1 mother with a JC X blueberry offspring and created JC bx. This first stage back cross recently won third place in the 420 cup in Amsterdam by a grower named HOG. It had a 12 day cure and blew everyone away as he was an unknown in there neck of the woods. There is some confusion cause many that have the JC bx misstate the fact and say they have JC leaving off the BX indicating a back cross.

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You can see by the photo’s that JC is not a normal hemp dominant plant. Just the speed of resin production makes her somewhat of a freak .You can see how the large raised resin heads give some shots a glass effect. I will attempt to describe toking JC from a clean bong, the smoke is crisp and thick with a heavy lemon oiliness that seems to coat the sinuses with citrus, it is a bit harsh and tends to make me wince, then the expansion starts and if you took a small enough hit and don’t cough the buzz is instant. At first the buzz is visual and very cerebral. Then the other side starts creeping and you feel as if you smoked some heavy indica. The munchies come on and after you eat plates full of bizarre food combinations you are ready for a nap. Once you are used to the high it has amazing analgesic properties and a good friend said it even made him last longer with his GF due to it’s pain relieving aspects.
 

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[FONT=&quot]This year I started Space Queen by Vic a hybrid cross of Cindy-99 and Romulan. I never considered it something impressive but it has blown Jill and I away. It is extremely potent fast maturing and just an amazing flavor. Pineapples and mangos with a candy like fragrance it has become our stash smoke. We have now decided to cross the JC P1 with the best Space Queen male we found.. Many would argue you need thousands of plants to start with for selecting to be considered a ‘True Breeder” but I think 30 years of growing and a keen eye for recessive traits can compensate starting from a smaller gene pool and the feed back from our medical users backs up my theory.
This cross resulted in the amazing hybrid Jack the Ripper!!

I will continue to grow and work with this amazing find.

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closet.cult

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wow. these look amazing! thank you for the great sotries and incredible pics, as usual.

makes me yern to get another strain and began my own crosses. any tips for a beginner?
 

mr thc

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Wow! ....Wow! I am motivated to one day grow some cannabis that looks half that fucked up. I'm dying for a bong of JTR...XD! Thanks for the great pics and awesome story.
 

Muddy Paws

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Very cool! I just got some seeds of Jacks Cleaner bx1 X Great White Shark and it's been hard for me to find the real story behind the Jacks Cleaner...looks like I found the real deal!
I got the seeds from a friend of mine who lives in Denmark. The buckets marked GWS are the GWS X JC bx1. I left a couple in soil, the others are in passive IRBs/Hempy buckets. These are at 22 days.

The other plants are from the same gentleman; Matanuska Thunder X Bubblegum F1's.
 

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LION~of~ZION

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Impressive. look at the amount of trichomes on those buds and leaves. Unbelievable!

Kudos...Now some feminized Jacks Cleaner would be the ticket.

let us know when that project starts...peace
 

subcool

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I don't believe in Feminizing seeds its the short cut I wont permit.
We already have JC2 created using proper out crossing and back crossing to the F1 :)

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LION~of~ZION

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awwww sub c'mon.

Seriously, I understand the old school and I have nothing but respect for the guys (like yourself) who have pioneered marijuana breeding in the last 30 years

However some of us just dont have the money, the proper setup, the time, the space(especially) to 'find' our females.

Feminized seeds has helped people like us grow without the landlord, the wife or whomever else having more time and oppurtunity to catch us.

I know its hard to understand sub.... seriously to some folks like myself feminized seeds have been a savior in more ways then you can ever imagine because youre not in our particular situation.

If it werent for feminized seeds I wouldnt be growing right now and its not due to laziness not even close! I'm an extremely active and busy person....its due to all the issues mentioned above...please dont assume feminine seed users are lazy it simply isnt always the case....peace
 

subcool

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Its very easy for me to understand. You were sold a bill of goods by some lazy ass breeders and your stuck on it. We get ratios of 80% and better quite often Bongorilla started 10 cleaner seeds and got 7 females and Minitruckin got 8 of 9.
It has nothing to do with money you start a pack of seeds you take clones you sex em and you choose the best female. This is how its been done for over 4 decades and the only way to select the recessive drug dominant females.
I have grown reefer for 35 years and don't think I havn't been in every situation.
There is a right way and then there are a gazillion wrong ways always to do a thing.
People start my genetics looking for a specific profile of a mother plant based on or test grows and you do that by selection. It takes me 45 days to sex a male plant from seed thats not some huge waste of time if the end results are the best possible medicine.

I will stop however blaming the growers and blame the marketers that have you convinced its so complex to crack ten seeds and find a good female :)

You start just a few TGA seeds and you will find a momma. I started 2 3d seeds and found tow epic stash queens :)

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LION~of~ZION

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I've seen your strains they are very good looking in fact some of the tastiest Ive seen to date.

The only thing that prevented me from buying was the fact that there were no feminized versions (no disrespect intended).

The future is here and if you had listened to every old school grower in your humble beginnings you wouldnt be where you are today, correct?

Im sure you were told every reason in the book as to why you shouldnt conduct cross breeding experiments etc. etc.

I'm willing to bet you even had an arguement or two with those who thought you were going to be partially responsible in the loss of or possibly the wiping out of the old landrace genetics by doing some of the things you guys were doing back then and now....point is it didnt stop you did it?

I hear you and agree with some of your points they are very valid at the same time I must say as a next generation grower (like you once were) that properly created feminized seeds are not evil. Nor will they ever ruin the marijuana genetic code due to the fact people will always be using non feminized seeds. Just as you most likely said at some point in your 'career' "cross breeding is not evil" to a few of the old school growers who werent happy with it back then...peace
 

subcool

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I still grow brother every day its my life and I grow my gear :)
I respect you a ton but Ed had the same argument.
There are plenty of watered down hermie prone feminized seeds around alot cheaper than mine.
Hopefully one day you will have the room and I can make sure you get some TGA gear to try without cost :)

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LION~of~ZION

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well said...appreciate your listening to what I have to say concerning the issue and the offer is without a doubt kind. Youre a good man. Trust me if ever I have the room and more time some of your strains will be the FIRST in there and by the sounds of it theyre producing quite a few females as it is...take care
 

Azgrow

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what do you think is better the jc or the jc2..we have several jc2 crosses an i just wanted your opinion...peace az
 

subcool

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I am banned from Canada so can't help out.
We have distributors in that area though.

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UserFriendly

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I am banned from Canada so can't help out.
Banned!?!.....from Canada!?!, ROFLMAO! Thats just too funny.

Subcool, your gear looks fantastic! I can't tell you how happy I am to hear that you WON'T be feminizing your seed. It really puts me at ease knowing there are quality control types like yourself in the world. The fact that your forum is in the organics sections says a lot......... very proper.
 
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