Its simple to me why prop 19 failed

Its because its against Federal law.I'm sure a lot of people remember the dispenseries being raided well what would happen if recreational users smoked it.People are afraid of what may happen to their children if they are smoking it and the feds decide to crack down.I think it all comes down to federal mistrust.Sound familiar lol.If there were no federal law against possesing and using marijuana,the states would be able to make their own decisions without fear of federal harrassment and the snatching away of federal funding.

im glad it failed because i grow to the club i would of been out of business

Well thats a pretty selfish way to look at it but you know,I like it what the hell.Its also my business in a very scary state but I would like to see people cease to be jailed for it.They cant score from me when they're in jail lol!I'm not being serious I damn sure wish it would have passed.I couldnt be farther away from Cali. and still be in the same country but dammit I wished it had passed.Thank fear of the everpresent federal gov't for that.Jefferson would be rolling in his grave while Hamilton probably would be touching himself the fuckwad

Not to mention alot of voters were under the impression that even with legallization, "weed money goes to the terrorists" (WTF? are you kidding me? this point is not valid even when weed is ILLEGAL. does this mean our tax dollar is STILL going to al qaeda?). ps that is straight from a campaign ad.
From the same people who are scared of the mexican drug cartels (wonder where most of their money comes from?...in other words, legalize it and they wont have a market here!) But we as americans are the most gullable, ignorant people on the face of the earth. IMO the best word you used sparkjumper, FEAR (anything the gov says to be scared of, in particular), is the cause of most of the injustices done in this country. And it has been used effectively to ruin the last shot we are gonna have at paving the way for federal legalization for a few years.

Have to agree w sparkjumper on one more thing.
That is mos def a very selfish way of looking at it, keke. I am disappointed that "caregivers" and growers voted against. If you are good at what you do, then you should very well be able to sell your product to everyone 21 and over legally, and be successful doing so. If it's not that good, then people prob already don't want it.

Supposed pillars of the cannabis community are helping slow down what so many have been fighting to their dying days for! legali-fucking-zation. FREEDOM of choice.
What on earth would Jack Herer think if he lived to see the day you voted down the legislature he worked so hard, all those years, for. Now THERE is someone rollin over in his grave.

seeing as how it wasnt a presidential election year not alot of the younger crowd voted it was mostly the 40 and over crowd and senior citizens and of coarse they voted no. the margin was still very slim so we really need to keep pushing it. and you were so right when you said "we as americans are the most gullable, ignorant people on the face of the earth." couldnt be more right.

Wow GOOD POINT 2STONED I BET JACK HERER IS PISSED at all of you who voted no. Im still looking for my answer nobodys answered for me in another forum. Is another reason people voted no on prop 19 was it has alot of Loop holes and government control????????????

People voted NO because they are fucking selfish assholes.

Exactly, Ernest. I could give a fuck less about gov control and loopholes (my onpinion in regards to your very good question hotsause). Anyone that is using that as a reason to vote no (and there are quite a few), needs to look at the facts. It already is one HUGE government controlled loop hole and has been since Anslinger started "reefer madness". Do any of those same people carry one of the elusive "hemp tax stamps"? Prob not, since I'm under the impression one has never been issued.
However, you are the one who is so right schwa.....
"WE HAVE TO KEEP PUSHING IT"
This is the attitude jack would want us to would maintain and he himself would do the same.
Freedom is not taken over night, and likewise, it is not achieved by those who give up.

One last thing for my motivational speech (unintended until this point)....
If you are thinking, at this very moment, "there's gotta be something I can do to help the cause." well there is. Find out when rallies are (start your own, even). Start legitimate petitions. Visit Norml.org local chapters always have somethin goin on you can help with. Strike inspiration in others. convince old squares to try a joint with you (not too strong tho, lol don't want to give them ammo). Just be imaginative and don't ever turn the other cheek to a government who thinks fear will control you!

i did not vote cause i have no faith in our government... but if i had it would have been a big NO!!!

for many reasons tho and not because im a selfish asshole like some of you pricks want to think...

I voted no because they were going to grow 4 megga farms (The city, Lee and Wilcox) Perhaps not not together but politics has strange bedfellow.
The permit would have been $211,000 and they would have grown an estimated 200,000 pounds a year together..

Oakland city counsel person (Not sure man or woman) Kaplan is also working on a proposal with Councilman Larry Reid to regulate marijuana production by licensing about four indoor pot farms in the industrial areas of Oakland.
The Council will consider the new plan in July, and if it passes, the AgraMed company will be poised to apply. The company proposes to build a 100,000-square-foot medical marijuana megafarm

Guys each of these farms would do something like 200,000 combined pounds of pot a year.

Then after that they also would have county control to squash tiny growers under prop 215 giving individual county wide control.

I dont see how these corporations can pass off as activists?

What if they said you can have 25 cookies but they would keep 200,000 cookies for their selves and if you tried to have 26 cookies they would have flattened you?

JayTrinity said:

I voted no because they were going to grow 4 megga farms (The city, Lee and Wilcox) Perhaps not not together but politics has strange bedfellow.
The permit would have been $211,000 and they would have grown an estimated 200,000 pounds a year together..

Oakland city counsel person (Not sure man or woman) Kaplan is also working on a proposal with Councilman Larry Reid to regulate marijuana production by licensing about four indoor pot farms in the industrial areas of Oakland.
The Council will consider the new plan in July, and if it passes, the AgraMed company will be poised to apply. The company proposes to build a 100,000-square-foot medical marijuana megafarm

Guys each of these farms would do something like 200,000 combined pounds of pot a year.

Then after that they also would have county control to squash tiny growers under prop 215 giving individual county wide control.

I dont see how these corporations can pass off as activists?

What if they said you can have 25 cookies but they would keep 200,000 cookies for their selves and if you tried to have 26 cookies they would have flattened you?

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its because there the corperate pricks that stand to make millions from crushing the little guy.. thanks so much for the no vote...

IMO, that is a whole different political issue. We are not going to get legislation that favors us 100% of the way ever,period. We have to make compromise and THEN once we have legalization, point out how it needs to be adjusted.
Everything mentioned above is just how america works at this point. That's why we call it CORPORATE America.
EVERY small business in a big industry is dealing with the same bullshit. That doesn't mean we should make coffee illegal (cough cough.....starbucks). It just means we should boycott if we don't agree with the way larger businesses operate.
Not to mention half the assholes in control of the medi clubs are just small time corporate d bags anyway. Alot of these guys don't know shit about growing or even weed. They know how to hire people who do though, and take advantage of an exploding market.
The word SELFISH has been used several times now on this thread and I think the "mega farms" side of the debate falls into the same category. There's a much bigger picture here, and unless one of us plan on writing the legislature, it will not truly be written for us, just to satisfy us.
So maybe we should just take what we can get, and HURRY THE FUCK UP AND RELEASE THE 8,000+ PEOPLE CURRENTLY SERVING TIME IN PRISON (across the US) FOR MARIJUANA RELATED CRIMES.

If you're answer to keeping your doors open is to keep those people in prison then us pricks are right, you are a selfish asshole. learn how to seperate fighting corporate america and having a chance at fixing a major fucking problem in our country. I have a feeling you would make a good corporate asshole

has it not been the feds doing the majority or all of the raids or busts down there...so what would have changed. nothing to me. this was still only state level. then they would also taxd the shit out if it and make it even more un-affordable wouldnt it. and only 1 oz...kinda a waste of time to grow 1 oz at a time....kinda hard to only grow that little amount to.

should just stop prohabiton then its like any other wild plant and has no rules to it and no taxes on it....smoke n do as we want freely and not have to pay our our asses to the gov once again.

ya i dont get the rush of people movin to cali and being state level...up here we at leats have it all fed legal. id think if i was elswhere id want to move to canada and be totaly legal. not half legal

2stoned2function said:

If you're answer to keeping your doors open is to keep those people in prison then us pricks are right, you are a selfish asshole. learn how to seperate fighting corporate america and having a chance at fixing a major fucking problem in our country. I have a feeling you would make a good corporate asshole

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hahaha no i wouldnt make a good corperate anything i hate them all.. but your right i am an asshole..

i read and read and read and i dont remember seeing anything about releacing any prisoners so that is just one bad point you made from not knowing what your talking about...

love the pasion tho you totally made me laugh...

JayTrinity said:

I voted no because they were going to grow 4 megga farms (The city, Lee and Wilcox) Perhaps not not together but politics has strange bedfellow.
The permit would have been $211,000 and they would have grown an estimated 200,000 pounds a year together..

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curious about the 'were going' and 'would have been'
doesn't seem to be any change in plans according to: http://cannabisnews.com/news/26/thread26118.shtml
seems like they're ready to push the legal limits

what gets me most and really pissis me off is all the people that are defending this crock 19 are from out of state... they just want us to be guinea pigs..

im not down to set my fellow growers up to get federally raided not in my state or any for that matter.. just one more point 2stoned with the guidlines the placed on prop 19 there would have been more MJ arrests than ever b4... bet

reggaerican said:

what gets me most and really pissis me off is all the people that are defending this crock 19 are from out of state... they just want us to be guinea pigs..

im not down to set my fellow growers up to get federally raided not in my state or any for that matter.. just one more point 2stoned with the guidlines the placed on prop 19 there would have been more MJ arrests than ever b4... bet

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prop 19 is dead and buried, not much interested in prop 19 anymore, it was voted down, it's over
i'm more curious with what will happen with MMJ law in general, we have a shot at MMJ in NY this year
so these big grows are pushing the envelope, who knows what will come from this?

you are right grow 1 it is over. The last thing I will say is that when i talked about releasing prisoners I was looking at it on this level. CA paves the way for other states. mmj is proof. Though no law would release those prisoners, the current law is definitely taken into consideration when giving prisoners early release.
We obviously have to work in numbers to stand up to the feds, tho. The raid aspect is part of the reason for the megafarms idea from what I understood (not justifying big business weed, just what I understood from the political explaination.
reggaeircan, I apologize for my earlier comment, it was definitely heat of the moment. This is just a debate, and one everyone obviously has an unswayable view on (I'm realizing my anger is caused by weed prohibition, not people who voted no on prop 19). I do not truly expect you would make a great corporate asshole, as I do not even know you. This one discussion doesnt give me the right to judge you.