klassifyme
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deja vu???
It's All Bullsh*t
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wheezer
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hahahahahahahahah!!i can't wait until i need a cane to walk. I'm gonna wave it at people who get in my way.
PIPBoy2000
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Damn, fdd even has bees in his medical garden. Bee sting therapy.
Anyone ever try it?
Anyone ever try it?
Min8040
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Thats it, you`ve TWISTED my arm. I`m definetly gonna do a outdoor grow now. Thats just a monster. I love it.
yeah, i blew glass all day yesterday.FDD--- Glad to see your still up to your old tricks, Cold as shit up here in CO, Only thing growing outside right now is the barometric pressure .---- You still blowing glass?
Dr. Greenhorn
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fdd doesn't look like anything I pictured him too be. he threw me off with the one pic of him kneeling by his outdoor plant. he was skinny in that pic and had "young boy" shoes on, like Vans or something, lol. didn't see a face till stickam.
edit.. lol, talking about the pic, it's a few posts above
I guess he wasn't wearing vans, just slippers and a starter sweatsSpot on.I've been involved with this plant of the "GODS" for over 30 yrs(yikes).They are a hardy plant that doesn't need any of the bullshit boosters bloomers ect.This is misinformation-designed to relieve you of you're hard earned.Start with good genetic stock and "KISS",Keep It Simple Stupid.
Plenty of light,water and a good basic (cheap) nutrient (not to much).Most nutes that are designed for growing vegies are perfectly fine and way cheaper than all this bogus bullshit.
You'll end up with plants that are easy and cheap to grow and they'll smoke up beautifully!
Plenty of light,water and a good basic (cheap) nutrient (not to much).Most nutes that are designed for growing vegies are perfectly fine and way cheaper than all this bogus bullshit.
You'll end up with plants that are easy and cheap to grow and they'll smoke up beautifully!
friendlyfarmer
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Calling something bullshit doesn't make it such. Neither does getting great results without it. I completely agree that genetics are very important. What's more important, however, is light. You are growing outside. Some in pots, some not. Plants in the ground obviously don't need shit so long as you can either water them regularly or train the roots to go deep enough in case of drought. Even potted plants are going to be much bigger outside obviously. One, they grow for months longer than indoor plants. Two, they have the fucking sun, which no light bulb can recreate.
The point being made here over and over is that a lot of these products are super beneficial for indoor operations. Responding to a scientific claim with "bullshit" isn't some old school keep-it-simple wisdom. When you are growing inside, you are inherently going to need to account for the lack of truly adequate light as much as you possibly can (since we can never really recreate the spectrum of the sun artificially). This is why things like mychorhizae and amino acids are beneficial and worth the money. I'll agree with you that a lot of companies out there have several products that are bullshit. But to dismiss all products on the market because you have huge plants outside is just absurd. When you produce a lb/m like some of the DWC setups i've seen, using organic soil and veg/bloom nutes only under the same wattage HPS then you can say it's all bullshit. You even use soil with time release chem nutes and some with mychorihzae as well.
Overall man the simple facts are that a good deal of these products have been tested using clones under the same lighting and conditions, and shown significantly improved results. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water just because the river can be bathed in too.
Edit: All that said, no animosity intended. Those are really awesome plants. Wish my backyard could be put to use like that.
boneheadbob
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itsallinthewrist
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it is all bullshit learned that a long time ago minimal fertilizer and a little mollasses keep it organic and you will have good stuff always flush and have never had a problem grown beautiful plants have had better bagseed than most peoples strand name..beautiful purple and red tones with spicy and citrusy taste dont get me wrong growing with good genes are great but definatly not necessary if ur trying to grow on a budget neither are all those additives and specialty fertilizers....btw nice plants
Dan Kone
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You can't make up for a lack of light with nutrients. I use mychorhizae, but not the crap they sell in hydro stores for $80 a tiny jar. Most of the benefitcial microorganizms in those are more beneficial for trees than for a plant w/ a 3 month life cycle.
I use this. http://www.kmart.com/shc/s/p_10151_10104_043V003342823000P?vName=Lawn%20&%20Garden&cName=OutdoorTools&Supplies&sName=Fertilizers&sid=KDx20070926x00003a&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=043V003342823000P
It costs about $20 and lasts me a year of indoor growing in a pretty decent size room. I buy a bag of it for outdoor too. The difference between that and the stuff that costs $80 for an ounce of it is marginal at best. Certainly not worth the cost.
As far as amino acids, I call bullshit on those. My plants stay perfectly healthy without them. Why do I need more nutrients when they are already healthy? If there is a deficiency somewhere, I address that deficiency. But just using A and B my plants stay healthy.
Keep your temperature steady, light good, enough nutrients that the plants don't develop deficiencies, CO2 high, branches braced, keep the bugs outs, and humidity low. Do that and you'll grow great bud. Craptastic snake oil will not help, those things will.
FDD why dont you do a side by side of one plant with all the additives people 'SWEAR BY' and the other with your method.
Exact same clones off the same plant , same size pot, same soil, same watering /feeding schedule except one of them gets all the little bullshitty additives and the other gets your method.
I'm not saying either will be better, i really love your keep it simple methodology and believe that simple is the best way. Just want to see the people who swear by all the additives and fancy nutrients to crap bricks when they see the results.
By the way, if you connect your fish pond to a grow bed (like hydroponics) and have it flood and drain or a similar hydro method you'll be surprised with the results. It's 100% organic as well as any nutrients or additives you add will kill the fish. the fish make more than enough nutrients. It'll be the tastiest buds you've ever smoked, trust me. Read: Aquaponics.
Exact same clones off the same plant , same size pot, same soil, same watering /feeding schedule except one of them gets all the little bullshitty additives and the other gets your method.
I'm not saying either will be better, i really love your keep it simple methodology and believe that simple is the best way. Just want to see the people who swear by all the additives and fancy nutrients to crap bricks when they see the results.
By the way, if you connect your fish pond to a grow bed (like hydroponics) and have it flood and drain or a similar hydro method you'll be surprised with the results. It's 100% organic as well as any nutrients or additives you add will kill the fish. the fish make more than enough nutrients. It'll be the tastiest buds you've ever smoked, trust me. Read: Aquaponics.
Dan Kone
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When I first started doing hydro I used the full line of humboldt nutrients. I used ProZyme, humboldt roots, myco madness, hum-bolt, flavorful, their nitrogen booster, pk booster, honey es, etc. It resulted in decent bud.
Then one cycle I decided to skip all that and just use A+B, pk 13-14, and molasses from the grocery store. Then I used the extra money I saved from not buying all that crap to upgrade my environmental controls. I yielded more with better quality bud. That was all the testing I needed.
As long as plants are healthy, they really don't need a bunch of extra crap.
wheezer
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Daaaaaan!! what's up bro? been missin your garden pics....