Is there a God??

bigbudahluva said:

Is there a God when things as fucked up as 9/11, London underground bombings, rape, murder etc happen, or isit all for a reason??

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The truth is... that no one knows bro.

But i tend to lead more towards the idea that there isn't because of the lack of evidence for such a being.


This is a great video, check it out, lolz. It's 3 minutes long, extremely funny... but a great idea and well put.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkIQTcBNhno

marc88101 said:

WOW, you got super sized on the brain washing! I find it so odd that people believe in God! What scientist are you referring to? Steven Hawking? Ohhhh wait, he said God cannot exist... Let me guess.....he's an idiot? Look at facts man! Wake up..its bullshit!

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These are very long, and time-consuming debates that generally are a waste of my already limited time online.

Bye

I'd like to start of by saying that I have never been religious. It has always seemed 'wrong' to me.

I will say this, with extreme confidence - and no I can't prove this, nor do I care to - there is some 'thing' extremely intelligent that is/has been trying to create a personal relationship with humans for a very, very long time.

My personal relationship with "God" is real, and I am very empathetic to those who do not understand what that means, because I used to be in the "Born to Die" boat.



If you desire to know "God", then ask and wait for a response. It is no one's fault but your own if you can't do this. And I do not believe it is a truly a 'fault', but I don't know what other expression to use.

There is something out there, who can time events in your mind and in your outer-world perfectly, and over and over and over again.

Call it what you want, IDC.

I will say this - whatever "it" is, it wants you to be happy. Showing me evidence of rape and murder does nothing but show me the gift/responsibility of free will. All people and events are teachers, there is no "Good" or "Bad", just perception of such.

Just my 2 cents.

Love

cannabineer said:

In before thread is relocated!

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heheeheee! cn

I'll clean the dirt from under your fingernails
I'll wipe the spit from your lips, from your face
I'll bite the disease from your broken body
I'll eat the anger out of your heart
I'll take the shame that weighs down your dirty soul
I'll make you free, give you wings to fly
I'll clear your clouded vision so you can see
I'll calm your troubled mind, take your worries away
Heisenberg the savior here to save the day

I kinda separate "God" and the "Creator". Sure, the creator is a god, but its not THEE god, I dont think there is THEE god that is better than the rest. I think there are countless gods, and that a lot of us are just inexperienced gods. God is love, god is light, god is me, god is you, god is that dog poop on the sidewalk, so yes, there is a god lol... Also, I dont think a being of higher consciousness needs to step in and solve our solvable problems, we should know better, god aint no baby sitter.

People still believe in Gods?

Heisenberg said:

I'll clean the dirt from under your fingernails
I'll wipe the spit from your lips, from your face
I'll bite the disease from your broken body
I'll eat the anger out of your heart
I'll take the shame that weighs down your dirty soul
I'll make you free, give you wings to fly
I'll clear your clouded vision so you can see
I'll calm your troubled mind, take your worries away
Heisenberg the savior here to save the day

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[video=youtube;AOpUD_9xbZs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOpUD_9xbZs&t=0m50s[/video]

(supposed to start at 50 seconds in but that doesn't seem to work)

HeartlandHank said:

People still believe in Gods?

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...somebody's got to do it ... cn

Yes and he is a very very big god. A god big enough to create not only our universe but a multitude more, each varying in its' physical constants.

Now, do you think that a god that big is going to be concerned about your day to day bullshit? No. Does that mean that it is impossible to have a personal relationship with god? No.

Once you understand why you're here and what your mission is, everything changes and nothing changes. All understanding gives you is love and forgiveness, and if that's not enough for you, then well you're kind of screwed.

Christianity provides no salvation, how can it with such a limited vision of god. It was created in a time where people believed there was only the earth and that it was flat. Today we know different and we are beginning to understand that the universe is far bigger than we could ever imagine. As our knowledge grows the reason we are here becomes obvious. First comes the realisation that in a universe this vast, we are not alone. The cosmos are teeming with life. Where there is matter and energy, there is the potential and eventuality of life. Where there is life, there is conciousness.

Conciousness, you will note is of a fundamentally different order than matter or energy. Look at your computer. It contains 50+ million lines of code. Put it on a scale. Format your hard drive. Did the weight change? When you download porn, does your computer get heavier? No, Downloading porn merely changes the arrangement of electrons in your computers memory. The arrangement is not the porn, the arrangement is just an arbitrary grouping of iron oxide atoms. Where then is the porn?

The universe is composed of two things, yet there are three. When you consider where conciousness exists, the answers about god become obvious.

"Now i'm an atheist, and i love religion. I don't love religion in a snarky mean spirited way... i unabashedly sincerely love that we have religion. Because if we didn't we wouldn't be here right now, being all post modern and ironic.

There would be no civilization. If no one would've invented religion we'd be fucked right now. Because at the dawn of man, civilization was the biggest and the strongest. And that's as far as we're ever gonna go. Whoever was the biggest, fucked, killed, ate anything they wanted. That was it...

Civilization was a huge psychopath with a club goin "MMmmm i think i'm gonna have rape for dinner!" That was it. That's as far as we we're gonna go.

And then, one of my ancestors... probably some weakling, said "Look, there's no way i can beat that guy". "But what if i trick him into thinking that if he doesn't kill and rape people while he's down here, that when he dies, there's a magic city in the clouds and he can go up and eat all the cake he wants."

Now that's not a very well formed plan, but he went and told the big psycho and the psycho heard that and said "Yeeaaaaa... i like cake." BOOM! There it was, that was the beginning of civilization! Now we can work on fire and writing and agriculture. That's religion, it's the old sky cake dodge! It worked!

Now things were great for a while. But what was happening was that shit was going on all over the planet. They were just using different deserts. They would tell them about sky cookies or sky pie or sky bocliva. So as each of these civilizations grew, they built ships and they'd go visit each other and the one guy would walk off the boat and go "Hey did you hear the good news about the sky bocliva? And the first guy went " It's cake mother fucker you're dead!!!

And then oh my god there were the desert wars, it was a nightmare. They were just killin people. It got so bad that every now and then some dude would show up and go "Hey i got good news! There's cake and pie and cookies for everyone we can all share!" And the people said, "Nail him to a fuckin cross it is only cake!" "The only way sky cake tastes good, is if up in the sky, the sky cookie and sky pie people can't have the sky cake! That's the only way sky cake tastes good!" "I did not spend my life, not raping and killing people, to not go up into the sky and have cake! SKY CAKE!

So the next time you see some douche bags in front of an abortion clinic, or try to ban a harry potter novel, just say

"Ooohh sky cake... why are you so delicious?!""

Kervork said:

Yes and he is a very very big god. A god big enough to create not only our universe but a multitude more, each varying in its' physical constants.

Now, do you think that a god that big is going to be concerned about your day to day bullshit? No. Does that mean that it is impossible to have a personal relationship with god? No.

Once you understand why you're here and what your mission is, everything changes and nothing changes. All understanding gives you is love and forgiveness, and if that's not enough for you, then well you're kind of screwed.

Christianity provides no salvation, how can it with such a limited vision of god. It was created in a time where people believed there was only the earth and that it was flat. Today we know different and we are beginning to understand that the universe is far bigger than we could ever imagine. As our knowledge grows the reason we are here becomes obvious. First comes the realisation that in a universe this vast, we are not alone. The cosmos are teeming with life. Where there is matter and energy, there is the potential and eventuality of life. Where there is life, there is conciousness.

Conciousness, you will note is of a fundamentally different order than matter or energy. Look at your computer. It contains 50+ million lines of code. Put it on a scale. Format your hard drive. Did the weight change? When you download porn, does your computer get heavier? No, Downloading porn merely changes the arrangement of electrons in your computers memory. The arrangement is not the porn, the arrangement is just an arbitrary grouping of iron oxide atoms. Where then is the porn?

The universe is composed of two things, yet there are three. When you consider where conciousness exists, the answers about god become obvious.

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Any other ideas about god that you think might be a possibility that are different than the ones you believe now? Perhaps theres countless gods, one for every universe, or galaxy, or solar system even. Or perhaps we are all gods .

bigbudahluva said:

Is there a God when things as fucked up as 9/11, London underground bombings, rape, murder etc happen, or isit all for a reason??

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I can say that a loving, at least in the way we define it, god does not exist, based on obvious reasoning. There may be some sort of higher power that exists, but I have yet to see anything compelling in that regard.

Once you understand why you're here and what your mission is, everything changes and nothing changes. All understanding gives you is love and forgiveness, and if that's not enough for you, then well you're kind of screwed.

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Beautiful. Thanks for that.

"Hey did you hear the good news about the sky bocliva? And the first guy went " It's cake mother fucker you're dead!!!

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Ha ha ha!

Then it went on for thousands more years and the people finally realized that killing for dessert is the reason you get none. After that they realized that the dessert isn't actually in the sky it's been right in their hands the whole time, and it'll be there until they decide to forget about it again.

I gave up on religion when God confided in me that he was an Atheist.

Silicity said:

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/01/timelike-entanglement/

Things like quantum physics are looking crazier and crazier and yet people still believe in a higher power than us humans, look at the things we have done, if god was all knowing and every believes tends to think then god could have foretold Adam and Eve, wars, literally everything and now we have evidence of things like teleportation are a possibility and we now can have cells be able to communicate with the outside world which it'll change the game on how medicines are created and they'll be extremely effective!

whoever is a believer of god then good for you! but you have to see the advances we have made and many of these things are total contradictions to religion and we got evidence

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...I hear this a fair bit. Isn't it 'easier' to find evidence when you're working with tangible materials? What's the big deal about finding evidence that you can hold in your hand, or walk on, etc... See my point? Matter was there before you, and now you quantify it. *shrugs* Finding the math in the universe does not make people mathematicians. More like good investigators.

Someone here wrote a comment about believing in God, something like "use your own mind" etc etc... in the same line Hawkings is mentioned. So, don't rely on belief unless you're believing in a scientist? Heh, ok

Kervork said:

[...]Conciousness, you will note is of a fundamentally different order than matter or energy. Look at your computer. It contains 50+ million lines of code. Put it on a scale. Format your hard drive. Did the weight change? When you download porn, does your computer get heavier? No, Downloading porn merely changes the arrangement of electrons in your computers memory. The arrangement is not the porn, the arrangement is just an arbitrary grouping of iron oxide atoms. Where then is the porn?

The universe is composed of two things, yet there are three. When you consider where conciousness exists, the answers about god become obvious.

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...crazy

For anyone interested............301 Startling Proofs and Prophecies-Proving God Exists.pdf.............I read this last night.I don't want to debate God's existence,my heathen soul needs somewhere to go.I went to church until I was 11 or 12, now, i just don't know what to believe anymore.I mean there is no physical proof that Jesus ever existed,sure they got the bone box,the shroud,the pomegranate ivory staff thing and other countless fakes.The ossuary(bone box),just like today there is/was more than one John and more than one Jesus.The shroud,although the sample was tainted,it was still carbon dated to 1260-1390 by three different labs that shared info.The pomegranate,the supposed ivory(its hippo bone!)pomegranate that topped the holy staff of a high priest in Solomon's Temple.....is fake...lol.This is trying to prove Jesus' existence and he was a walking talking being like you and me......Well i guess none of this matters because 12-12-2012 is 2 months away!!!




Is there a God??....................................................................................I DON'T KNOW(but I hope)

Kervork said:

Yes and he is a very very big god. A god big enough to create not only our universe but a multitude more, each varying in its' physical constants.

Now, do you think that a god that big is going to be concerned about your day to day bullshit? No. Does that mean that it is impossible to have a personal relationship with god? No.

Once you understand why you're here and what your mission is, everything changes and nothing changes. All understanding gives you is love and forgiveness, and if that's not enough for you, then well you're kind of screwed.

Christianity provides no salvation, how can it with such a limited vision of god. It was created in a time where people believed there was only the earth and that it was flat. Today we know different and we are beginning to understand that the universe is far bigger than we could ever imagine. As our knowledge grows the reason we are here becomes obvious. First comes the realisation that in a universe this vast, we are not alone. The cosmos are teeming with life. Where there is matter and energy, there is the potential and eventuality of life. Where there is life, there is conciousness.

Conciousness, you will note is of a fundamentally different order than matter or energy. Look at your computer. It contains 50+ million lines of code. Put it on a scale. Format your hard drive. Did the weight change? When you download porn, does your computer get heavier? No, Downloading porn merely changes the arrangement of electrons in your computers memory. The arrangement is not the porn, the arrangement is just an arbitrary grouping of iron oxide atoms. Where then is the porn?

The universe is composed of two things, yet there are three. When you consider where conciousness exists, the answers about god become obvious.

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blah blah blah useless meaningless nonsense , prove anything you say is true , and not just your over active imagination .

we are god god is in you god is in me science is lack of knowledge it will only drag you down a rabbit hole with no end eistein believed in light body god is nameless it cant be said only known by the knower that seeks time is man made the earth is alive and growing science will continue to change and evolve while the god in us is perfection with unlimited knowledge not cleverness namaste