Is the legalization of Marijuana really worth it?

thelastpirate

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WHOA!!!! Having read this thread in it's entirety, I just sit here shakin' my head in amazement. I cannot believe that there are that many folks out there with thier heads so far up thier asses.
Just how in the hell can it be a bad thing to legalize marijauna? Right now, the current estimate is that OVER 20 BILLION untaxed dollars are spent annually on the weed. Just think of the domestic programs that would or could benefit from the tax dollars generated? The gov't spends over 14 BILLION dollars on drug interdiction, a direction that everyone knows is a huge waste of time and tax dollars that COULD be better spent to combat poverty as we know it in our country. Hey thats a great Idea. If we gotta be at war, thats a good start!! A war on poverty. Nah, that would make too much sense:-)
If we took the money now spent on interdiction, and the tax dollars from the sale of marijuana alone, every man woman and child in the US could have adequate housing, enough food, and medical care. Our schools could be better, we'd have FAR fewer people in jail for drug related crimes, thereby freeing up bed space for the truly violent and dangerous criminals we now have to turn loose on parole or early release due to prison overcrowding.
The quality of smoke would be alot better and alot more consistent. If we take away the illegal aspect, we take away the organized crime aspect. The reason they are in it in the first place is money. We would have an entire industry thats too multi-faceted to go into, ready made overnight. Youd have commercial growers for the masses, Independent growers for the connisuers. No one would have to deal with the underworld, or undesireable types to score. (We ALL have had to do that at one time or another)
People, prohibition didn't work back then and it aint working now. Yes, there is violence involved with drugs, even Marijuana. Legalize it, and you end the violence. No more jacking grows. Those people who are violent could be put in prison, which would be a REAL deterrent since we would have enough bed space to KEEP them there for thier entire sentence.
Everywhere that has legalized drugs has senn a marked drop in violent crime.
GrowTech, McLovin420, Alphanon and Blink, ya'll made some great points. Our gov't has no place to regulate or criminalize vice. I am a former alcoholic, and I am here to tell you that it is WAAAY worse than pot. We have a teenage drinking problem now, and THATS illegal. Why and how does keeping pot illegal prevent it from getting into anyones hands, much less our kids. Right now, if I had to go buy weed, I'd be better off sending my son or daughter, because they probably have better connections than I do. So much for protecting the kids!!! I smoke, my kids don't, go figure! Guess I did something right.
Legalization is a win-win proposition. In fact it makes so much sense in so many ways, it makes me start thinking WHY the government has kept it illegal. ther has to be a reason for that, because there is no logical or rational reason for it to be illegal while all the alcohol can be bought, and the "iffy" drugs approved by the FDA every day have far worse sideeffects, potential for abuse, and addictive properties than pot.
Bottom line. You don't like pot? Dont smoke it. Dont want your kids to smoke pot? Try being a parent, and raise smarter kids with more respect for what you say.
See there, ya'll got me started. Sorry for the rant.

The very last Pirate
 
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zeke907

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BTW I grew up in ALASKA where it is LEGAL to have(Use to be 4 ounces) But now its 1 ounce for personal use. There is NO penalty AT ALL..aslong as you dont have intent to sell. You can also have 27 plants LEGALLY in your house. And NOONE has ever died due to a high driver. I believe alaska is the only state that has completly decriminilized POT to an extent and it WORKS FINE....LEGALAZATION is the way to go...
Just wanted to say what up to my Alaska people. What up Sexologist420. Yeah AK is the shit, they got they heads on straight up there. They know the weed ain't hurtin nobody or nothing. Peace.
 

misshestermoffitt

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im my opinion brewing is much harder of a task than growing a marijuana plant. Especially out door. Its simple. You dont need any equipment besides some water and nutes. Hydro would be different, but in my opinion soil is a much better method. Taste and smell wise. Not yield and potency.

I don't think everyone will be growing their own. I think a lot of people will try to grow their own, but I don't think that many will have success.

First you'll have your people who will try to grow and not realize that it has to bud, they'll let it grow for a few months then cut it down and hang it up in their garage because they don't know any better. They're shit will actually be shit and they'll go back to buying.

Then there will the the people that try to grow and let it mature but don't know about males, females and hermies. They will end up with seedy crap or none at all and they will give up and go back to buying.

There will be the people who know how to grow and try to grow outside but their dickweed neighbor down the street doesn't know how to grow and lets the males loose and ends up pollinating all the plants on the block. A good percentage of those people will give up on growing and resort to buying.

Last of all there will also be those people who have successful grows but just plain run dry before their next batch is ready for harvest. They will end up buying. Maybe they had a great harvest but are getting tired of smoking the same old stuff so they buy some to have a change of pace.

Not everyone has the patience to wait out a grow either. Most people will just buy their stuff because it's faster and less of a pain in the ass.
 

nathenking

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all the money they would hypthetically make wouldnt go to any good use. You can sit there and say "think of all the good use this would do". But, our nation has had a crap ton of billions of dollars for a long time. Where is it all at?? Why is our health care shitty, why is our public schooling shitty, why are the richest 10% of americans running this country, why is there so much religious and racial seperation??? As if to say that if we did tax this legal weed that it would be the end all for all our problems. sure, i think its a little more complicated than that. there is a whole lot wrong with this country that needs to be fixed way before your little "legalization of weed" psuedo-elitest jargon.
 

AlphaNoN

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all the money they would hypthetically make wouldnt go to any good use. You can sit there and say "think of all the good use this would do". But, our nation has had a crap ton of billions of dollars for a long time. Where is it all at?? Why is our health care shitty, why is our public schooling shitty, why are the richest 10% of americans running this country, why is there so much religious and racial seperation??? As if to say that if we did tax this legal weed that it would be the end all for all our problems. sure, i think its a little more complicated than that. there is a whole lot wrong with this country that needs to be fixed way before your little "legalization of weed" psuedo-elitest jargon.
No one is touting legalization as an "end all" to our problems, but as a way of ending some of them. Namely harassment and incarceration of non-violent drug offenders and wasteful spending on enforcing and prosecuting vice crime law. The income it would bring in and the waste legalization would eliminate would just be an added bonus to reclaiming liberties that never should have been taken from us in the first place.

But I wouldn't underestimate the potential of legalized drug trade to raise money to eliminate the deficit, for health care, for schools, etc. Oakland's medical marijuana dispensaries raised more than 26 million from taxes alone last year. That's just medical use, in one city. Multiply that at a federal level, for everyone, in every city across America and you're looking at a surplus that we haven't seen since the industrial revolution.
 
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UnKnOwN666

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the goverment will create the most potent bombest mary j there is cuz they got the tech 2 do it and the goverment will shut the dealers down it would solve some problems
 

Da Kine 420

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is the OP serious with this? go back to daycare. Legalise it everywhere and get on with it.

smartbadguy, i have seen that avatar before. you on any other sites?
 

NoDrama

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Pot may be legal in some states, but the feds don't care what those laws are, they have their own set of rules and can stomp all over your states laws any time they damn well care. They do it daily. They use the Rico act ( Made to help put away the mafia) against you, or say your a terrorist and use the patriot act to get what they want. Don't think for 1 second that the federal govt abides by the laws when they want to go into ass kicking mode and take down those super dangerous pot smokin hippies.
 

thelastpirate

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the goverment will create the most potent bombest mary j there is cuz they got the tech 2 do it and the goverment will shut the dealers down it would solve some problems
I doubt the gov't would get involved with production, but it would free up alot of growers to start really perfecting strains. I can foresee a lot of money for research available to growers since it would then be a profitable LEGAL product, and he with the best product, wins. Lots of farms much like vineyards, known for their individual strains.

Pot may be legal in some states, but the feds don't care what those laws are, they have their own set of rules and can stomp all over your states laws any time they damn well care. They do it daily. They use the Rico act ( Made to help put away the mafia) against you, or say your a terrorist and use the patriot act to get what they want. Don't think for 1 second that the federal govt abides by the laws when they want to go into ass kicking mode and take down those super dangerous pot smokin hippies.
Using RICO against growers is absurd, and I am amazed that the courts allow it. But that PATRIOT act, now thats a mother fucker right there. Google it, it's some scary shit.
 
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Sexologist420

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State laws override the Federal laws. Thats what our country is based on is power to the states. Yes if the FBI or NIDA or w/e want to be fags they can get federal warrants and shit and do w/e but they really only do it to high end dealers who grow 100's of plants. Alaskas only federal branch i believe are in ANchorage..i dont even think they got an FBI in juneu..i may be wrong but it'd just be those 2 neways. Alaska is as close to pure freedom as ur gonna get in this world now. Anyways this aint about AK. I seriously cant believe anyone would be against legalizing bud unless there a dealer and grow for profit. Yes it would hurt it but so the fuck what? sell some coke if u dont like it. To fucking bad. No reason bud should be fucking illegal. Its complete ludicrous and horseshit. It's not hurting anyone. There is also a bill out to remove any federal power in this issue. IT would be up to the states. This bill has ALOT of support, suprisinly ammount. Make sure you email ur congress members and ask them to vote infavor of it. I will include a link u can find ur cogress members. CNN DID A SURVEY ON A NEWS THING ABOUT THIS AND 73% OF AMERICANS THAT RESPONDED WERE IN FAVOR OF LEGALIZING POT!!!! THE BALL IS ROLLING FELLAS....SLOWLY BUT IT WONT BE LONG NOW!!!!!!!! MAKE YOUR SELF HEARD AND DO YOUR PART! EARN UR RIGHT TO SMOKE AND GROW DONT BE LAZY AND SIT BACK AND WATCH OTHERS DO THE WORK.

it's bill H.R. 5843 (ih)

110th CONGRESS
2d Session
H. R. 5843

To eliminate most Federal penalties for possession of marijuana for
personal use, and for other purposes.



To eliminate most Federal penalties for possession of marijuana for
personal use, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the ``Act to Remove Federal Penalties for
the Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults''.

SEC. 2. ELIMINATION OF CERTAIN MARIJUANA-RELATED PENALTIES.

Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no penalty may be
imposed under an Act of Congress for the possession of marijuana for
personal use, or for the not-for-profit transfer between adults of
marijuana for personal use. For the purposes of this section,
possession of 100 grams or less of marijuana shall be presumed to be
for personal use, as shall the not-for-profit transfer of one ounce or
less of marijuana, except that the civil penalty provided in section
405 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 844a) may be imposed
for the public use of marijuana if the amount of the penalty does not
exceed $100.
about 7 states have made 1oz or less like a traffic tickit...only 100$ or so fine...its only a matter of a few years(id say 5 tops) that MJ is pretty much decriminilzed on a federal and state lvl.

Heres the link to ur congress members. EMAIL THEM WF!!! IF WE DONT MAKE OUR SELVES HEARD THESE IGNORANT BASTARDS WILL NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH!!! THEY ARE FED LIES THROUGHOUT THERE SHELTERD VIRGIN LED LIVES THAT POLITICIANS ARE USUALLY RAISED IN.

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
 
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BigBudBalls

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I think its more the Big Pharamceutical companies don't want you growing a plant that WILL ACTUALY CURE your illnesses wether it be physical or mental pain. :peace:
What has it ever *cured*?? Relieving pain, say form a slipped disc, broken arm, you still have the slipped disc or broken arm. Its just a band-aide covering the real issue/problem. Glaucoma? Same thing. Doesn't cure, keeps it at bay.
 

blazin waffles

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What has it ever *cured*?? Relieving pain, say form a slipped disc, broken arm, you still have the slipped disc or broken arm. Its just a band-aide covering the real issue/problem. Glaucoma? Same thing. Doesn't cure, keeps it at bay.
Sometimes just getting the pain to go away is enough. My mother has Fibermyalgea, its a dibilitating muscular disease. From the age of five i've had to rub knots the size of softballs out of her back, not to mention the times i had to help her get up, out of bed, or simply walk.
She has been prescribed pills for almost 20yrs and tells me how they are effecting her mind/body and starting to make her feel like she's going crazy. Marijuana helps her to cope with the pain enough to have a half "normal" life. She would like to watch my sister graduate but its hard for her to sit/stand for to long so it will make it hard.
Unless you have had to deal with this i'm sure it may be hard to understand. . . . . .but everything that we know and have learned of cannabis is just the tip of the iceberg. . . .legalization will allow more research and the possibilities are endless! JMHO

:peace:~~~TLB~~~
 

BigBudBalls

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i agree. i prefer natural remidies. all the damn synth drugs are to fix all the troubles the chemicals they toss in our food water air, etc.

i was just simply commenting on the 'cures' it has. i really don't think it cures a thing. neither does aspirin; just alives symptoms. still a good thing!

sorry to hear about your mom.

Sometimes just getting the pain to go away is enough. My mother has Fibermyalgea, its a dibilitating muscular disease. From the age of five i've had to rub knots the size of softballs out of her back, not to mention the times i had to help her get up, out of bed, or simply walk.
She has been prescribed pills for almost 20yrs and tells me how they are effecting her mind/body and starting to make her feel like she's going crazy. Marijuana helps her to cope with the pain enough to have a half "normal" life. She would like to watch my sister graduate but its hard for her to sit/stand for to long so it will make it hard.
Unless you have had to deal with this i'm sure it may be hard to understand. . . . . .but everything that we know and have learned of cannabis is just the tip of the iceberg. . . .legalization will allow more research and the possibilities are endless! JMHO

:peace:~~~TLB~~~
 

blazin waffles

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i agree. i prefer natural remidies. all the damn synth drugs are to fix all the troubles the chemicals they toss in our food water air, etc.

i was just simply commenting on the 'cures' it has. i really don't think it cures a thing. neither does aspirin; just alives symptoms. still a good thing!

sorry to hear about your mom.
Agreed, I do however think, just like asprin, it could be used as preventative maintenance? I'm interested to see the extent of this plants helpfulness in my lifetime!!

Thanks, she makes due. And when i harvest she'll be straight for awhile!!!

:peace:~~~TLB~~~

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kasuhit

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i was just simply commenting on the 'cures' it has. i really don't think it cures a thing. neither does aspirin; just alives symptoms. still a good thing!
no your absolutly right. I know is not going to magicaly cure a sliped disc or broken arm. but its defintely going to help your state of mind while in the healing processes. and to me that as much of a cure as any other drug.

I guess "cure" was probly the wrong choice of words.
 

BigBudBalls

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no your absolutly right. I know is not going to magicaly cure a sliped disc or broken arm. but its defintely going to help your state of mind while in the healing processes. and to me that as much of a cure as any other drug.

I guess "cure" was probly the wrong choice of words.

No prob. (but it might cure lack of appetite :) )

But I feel that if we get medical weed legal in all states thats the first step.


But the other side of that is, if its medical, it may never boil down to recreational use.
 

McLovin420

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State laws override the Federal laws. That's what our country is based on is power to the states.

This is incorrect. Taken from link "acts of the Federal Government are operational as supreme law throughout the Union . . . enforceable in all courts of the land. The states have no power to impede, burden, or in any manner control the operation of" federal law." Prigg v. Pennsylvania - Further Readings

Supremacy Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Supremacy Clause is the common name given to Article VI, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution, which reads:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.


That is why the DEA can raid dispensaries in Cali & get away with it. One day it'll change hopefully next year. Of course it's going to take longer in some state than others. The bible belt will not be so quick to change. Well maybe if they realize how many farms will be back in business.

States powers come from the 10th amendment
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

Lefytovich

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Remember- marijuana was made illegal in the 1930s by a bunch of old white men who told the public that their pretty little white daughters would be lured into jazz clubs by niggers and spics (forgive the language, I'm just reporting the facts). Upon entering these clubs, they would be put under the influence of "the world's most dangerous drug" and brutally raped by "animals" acting under the influence of "reefer madness", a condition caused by smoking marijuana, and characterized by insanity, murderous thoughts, intense rage, and utter loss of control of one's inhibitions.

Basically, prohibition had just ended, but there were still numerous government jobs that had just been created, so they decided to switch their focus to pot.

And besides, politicians don't want you to live a normal life, with access to a non-lethal, non-addictive (I say this, and I know some will disagree, but an "addiction" to pot comes more from an addictive personality) they'd rather have you smoke cigarettes until your lungs turn to tar, drink alcohol until your liver looks like Swiss cheese, and take prescription chemicals you can't even begin to pronounce.
 
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