Is prohibition really about hemp?

Why is cannabis illegal?

  • Because it is harmful.

    Votes: 2 3.8%

  • Because it cannot be regulated.

    Votes: 11 21.2%

  • Because all drugs are bad.

    Votes: 1 1.9%

  • Because it would replace petroleum and coal.

    Votes: 20 38.5%

  • Other (roll your own)

    Votes: 18 34.6%
  • Total voters
    52
desert dude

desert dude

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"Anything that can be done with fossil fuels can be done more cleanly and cheaply with hemp and without hurting the environment."

I am a full-on supporter of ending the war on drugs, but this statement is absurd. Hemp oil is not going to replace petroleum. It is not cheaper.
 
ford442

ford442

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Hemp is not cheaper because it is currently not grown!
How many wars can be attributed to an easily grown crop that everyone has? how many lives? and how many lives will end yet over precious limited resources?
Hempoline will not start endless bloody conflicts.
 
sonofdust

sonofdust

Active Member
The parachute that saved George Bush's life in World War II was made of hemp fiber."[/QUOTE]


I just knew there had to be a down side to hemp
 
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sm00thslp

Member
There was a study somewhere that showed even with a weak economy, dispensaries were still maintaining the same amount of business, if not more (because more people were finding out about it; getting cards). Almost the same with cigarettes. People will buy it over almost anything else.

But I do believe it was made illegal due to hemp. I've always thought it started way back when Booth shot Lincoln. Could swear I read that somewhere reputable, but I don't know, so I don't necessarily believe that theory.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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Far too powerful a plant. It's a threat to many industries. Large ones. Alcohol (somewhat), Pharmaceuticals, Oil, Various fibre related industries... it's a long list.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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Balzac89 said:
IT was originally about hemp, now its about funding for DEA and other law enforcement. With violent crime on the fall along with other crimes, the police only have drugs to focus on now with their huge amounts of cash to fight terrorism and drugs
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Definitely helps justify gigantic police budgets and private prisons (aka Slave labour) as well.
 
ford442

ford442

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OGEvilgenius said:
Far too powerful a plant. It's a threat to many industries. Large ones. Alcohol (somewhat), Pharmaceuticals, Oil, Various fibre related industries... it's a long list.
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right - the top ones are pharmaceuticals, alcohol, prison guards/law enforcement..
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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Also a threat to CIA black operations funding and bribes to politicians. Harder to bribe people with legit money.
 
ford442

ford442

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true - we have always used illegal narcotics to bribe entities - that is why Thailand fought for us..

but, people are getting wise to this whole thing.. i just ordered some CBD derived from hemp legally.. Colorado may have legal cannabis in four months!
 
Amateur.Grower

Amateur.Grower

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Well this won't be a complete list, but it's a start.

1. Big Pharma - Would literally lose billions overnight. Cannabis is primed to replace countless drugs.
2. Criminal Justice System - The multi-billion dollar prison system that is becoming increasingly privatized. Police, lawyers etc.
3. Hemp - The products that can be created with hemp are way too vast to name them all.
4. Alcohol/Tobacco - Cannabis would be a direct competitor with these two industries.
5. Ignorance - People like having something they can blame their trouble on, or their kid/friends etc. My kid would have been a doctor, but instead he smoked marijuana now he's useless. If anything, marijuana keeping people from going to college is a reality, one created by stupid laws that deny federal aid to people with drug convictions.
 
ford442

ford442

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right - and those are the entities that lobby to keep cannabis illegal - prison wardens, big pharma, and alcohol are the top 3 i believe..
 
Golden Buddha

Golden Buddha

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Amateur.Grower said:
Well this won't be a complete list, but it's a start.

1. Big Pharma - Would literally lose billions overnight. Cannabis is primed to replace countless drugs.
2. Criminal Justice System - The multi-billion dollar prison system that is becoming increasingly privatized. Police, lawyers etc.
3. Hemp - The products that can be created with hemp are way too vast to name them all.
4. Alcohol/Tobacco - Cannabis would be a direct competitor with these two industries.
5. Ignorance - People like having something they can blame their trouble on, or their kid/friends etc. My kid would have been a doctor, but instead he smoked marijuana now he's useless. If anything, marijuana keeping people from going to college is a reality, one created by stupid laws that deny federal aid to people with drug convictions.
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6. Religious Temperance Movement - There are those who believe it is their solemn duty to God to remake the world according to their vision. Carrie Nation is still running around with her Bible and hatchet. Although I suppose you could also file that one under ignorance.

:leaf: Golden Buddha :leaf:
 
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echlectica

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I am elated to be free of the notion that hemp will save anything at all. If you could replace coal and oil with Hemp some other country would have done that already. Hemp is great for fiber and has some biproducts but seriously its not the answer to every ill. Pot is illegal because that is how the government makes money from it. They can't tax it since you can grow you own in a closet, if you so wish, so they make money by giving cops something to do and through forfieture.
 
ford442

ford442

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that is how cops get money, yes.
however, pot was made illegal because Randalph Hearst, DuPont, Andrew Mellon and Henry Anslinger worked together to secure their vast petrochemical/timber empires from being replaced by hemp.
it is not used for fuel yet because we killed the world hemp industry - we made every country sign a UN pact not to grow hemp.
 
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echlectica

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ford442 said:
that is how cops get money, yes.
however, pot was made illegal because Randalph Hearst, DuPont, Andrew Mellon and Henry Anslinger worked together to secure their vast petrochemical/timber empires from being replaced by hemp.
it is not used for fuel yet because we killed the world hemp industry - we made every country sign a UN pact not to grow hemp.
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But many countries are in fact growing,processing and selling hemp. Several of these countries, particularly in Europe have major green energy programs. If Hemp were truly viable as an energy source don't you think some country, that is not beholdant to the Oil companies, would be developing it? I think so. Look hemp is great for food and fiber and some fuel and lubricants could be made from it but honestly burning hemp seed oil is as bad as burning corn in the form of ethanol. Honestly there is no reason to burn anything to produce energy and that is the direction we should be going.
 
ford442

ford442

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why haven't developed nations with no connection to big oil already abandoned oil/coal for wind/solar?

hemp creates hempoline at a rate of 300 gallons per acre and burns 90% cleaner. these numbers did not appear magically. but, i guess that we can shove our heads up our collective asses and trust coal/oil for another 100 years instead. that is what big money wants. that is what we will get. who's side are you on? petrochemicals = death. hemp = renewable energy. you have not done any research it sounds like. look up hempoline vs ethanol before you kill more innocent muslims, whales, polar bears and upset the planetary weather for money. hemp was banned for decades - it needs to be legal and tested before you fucking condemn it again.
 
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echlectica

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ford442 said:
why haven't developed nations with no connection to big oil already abandoned oil/coal for wind/solar?
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Some have... Just look at what Sweden, Finland, Norway, Denmark and many others are doing. Wind and solar works. Stop burning shit.
 
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