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I am sure nearly every grower in jail thought that way until hearing the clang of the closing of those iron bar gates and steel doors. How about dom n't advertise your crime um nless your willing to do the time.
My point has been misinterpreted. I'm saying that while posting pics won't "get" you busted, if you happen to get busted they will make it much worse. Just like being 100 feet up won't "make" you fall, but if you happen to fall it will make the consequences much worse than if you had been 4 feet up. I caution against posting pics, especially show off braggy pics.
 

fatman7574

New Member
If you're growing illegally then its not safe....DUH!!!
IT IS ALL ILLEGAL by federal law. There is no such thing as legal growing, posession or sells of pot in the U.S. as Fedral law still supercedes State law as decided by congess in regard to marijuana, and by federal law it is all still illegal. People can think all the want that medical amrijuana laws protect them or allow them to use, posses or grow pot, but they do not. We sit in the limbo that all states in order to receive their part of federal tax revenue were forced by the Federal Government to fully adopt the federal drug laws. Many states have since tried to ignore the laws and have written directives and regulations differing from the federal laws only to be reminded by the feds that their powers supercede the states and that all though they can not force the states to enforce the laws they can interced and enforce them at their descretion or not practice tax revenue sharing with the states that do not comply.

The feds have readily proven that power and authority as they have repeataedly busted medical marijuana possesors, growers and shops selling medical marijuana. The fact that the president says he does not want federal justice department funds spent on enforcing federal laws that differ from state laws really means nothing as he does not have the power to stop it from happening and as what he says just falls under the don't investiagte crap. He has said that he is not saying don't enforce the law he is only saying that federal justice department funds will not be wasted on investigated federal marijuana laws that are contrary to the enforcement desires of the state desires. State police and city police have always bsuted people for pot laws even in states where the courst (appellatte courts) have determineded that the sates's constitutions in those states granted it's citizens the constitutional right to posses and use marijuana in their own homes.

Unless existing laws are repealed new laws or the wishes of a powerless president mean nothing. The state I live in has actually written in its law books that the people of the state have voted upon and agreed tht they do not wish the current marijuana laws be enforced but that the laws does not allow non enforcement so they have directed the state to not actively spend state resources to investigste marijuana laws that fall under the guidelines: they then set down possesion limits and live plant number limits. However people who are found in possesion of pot or plants while the police are investigating other complints or crimes ares still prosecuted. That is how the Feds are now operating.

The fact that they have not shut down pot shops is only because they are presenlty adhering to what they feel is the direction of the head of the DEA. Most federal law officials don't give a rats ass about the states desires or any citizens desires reagarding drugs. Drug laws are big, really big money for law enforcement departments at both state and federal levels, they mean jobs and new waepons to play with. They mean over time and power. However at any time they can bust every single shop owner, and any possesor or grower of pot that is that does not have a state permit at a state level if they so wish. The feds can do it all as it is the present federal law.

Obahma has stated that he believes new federal laws should be wriiten but that existing laws still govern and will be enforced until such time as new laws are put into place by congress. He then stated medical marijuana laws are not a priority item with him and that he would not waste any of his political clout trying to get new laws written. He then stated he does not support the individual or mom and pop medical amijuana growing of marijuana and ony supported that thmarijuan laws should be changed to allow for dsipensing medical amrijuan as a controlled sustance in the way that other controlled sus bstance are dispensed ie at licensed registered pharmiacies.

Nope growing and possesion is not yet legal. Just as adultry, sodomy, horse theft and cattle rustling is not really legal. They (states with such laws and the feds) still can arrest you for those crimes but they will not hang you for rustling cattle or horse theft anymore even though those laws are still on the state law books in some states.

There are currently eleven states that have effective medical marijuana programs: Hawaii, Alaska, California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada, Montana, Colorado, Maine, Vermont and Rhode Island. There are variables within each program, but there are many similarities as well, which mostly include:

· Patients are allowed to grow, possess and use medical marijuana, if they have a recommendation for their physician to use it for the relief of symptoms of a specified illness,
· A caregiver, who is authorized to help the patient, may also grow and acquire marijuana for the patient,
· The patient is required to have documentation verifying they have been diagnosed with a specific illness,
· State registry programs issue identification cards to registered patients and their caregivers, enabling law enforcement to easily determine the validity of a patient’s claim,
· Cultivation limits are restricted to a concrete number, generally 1-3 ounces of usable marijuana and 6-7 plants, three of which may be mature,
·
Patients and caregivers are protected from state arrest if they are following their state law. Patients however are still subject to federal arrest because the federal government believes that marijuana has no medical utility. But because 99% of marijuana arrests are made at the state level, a state medical marijuana law provides a great deal of protection for valid patients.

State medical marijuana laws have absolutely nothing to do with the FDA drug-approval process. The FDA does not arrest people for using unapproved treatments. State medical marijuana laws don’t conflict with the FDA; they simply protect medical marijuana patients from arrest and jail under state law. The decision to place marijuana into a restricted controlled substance category was not made by the FDA. It was a political decision, made by Congress and therefore it is necessary to use the political processes to correct a political mistake.
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]There is no federal law that mandates that states must enforce federal laws against marijuana possession or cultivation. However there are also no laws stating that the federal government must share its tax revenues with the states for anything but federal relief programs. All other revenue sharing must be directed by the congress yearly. States are free to determine their own penalties—or lack thereof—for drug offenses. State governments cannot directly violate federal law by giving marijuana to patients, but states can refuse to arrest patients who grow their own. In turn the congress can not share federal tax revenues that account for huge sums of moneys.[/FONT]​

The head of the DEA is an appointment position serving at the descretion of the President. Law enforcement official below the positions of chiefs and directors thar are elected are not appointment positions, there loyalitoes are supposed to be to the courts not elected officials, even the president. The president nor anyone else has the power to tell mon appointed law officials not to uphold the law. The presidents power over the Head of the DEA is that he can siply replace him, if he had the guts as there would n be an congressional investigation if that ever happened.
 

atrumblood

Well-Known Member
IT IS ALL ILLEGAL by federal law. There is no such thing as legal growing, posession or sells of pot in the U.S. as Fedral law still supercedes State law as decided by congess in regard to marijuana, and by federal law it is all still illegal. People can think all the want that medical amrijuana laws protect them or allow them to use, posses or grow pot, but they do not. We sit in the limbo that all states in order to receive their part of federal tax revenue were forced by the Federal Government to fully adopt the federal drug laws. Many states have since tried to ignore the laws and have written directives and regulations differing from the federal laws only to be reminded by the feds that their powers supercede the states and that all though they can not force the states to enforce the laws they can interced and enforce them at their descretion or not practice tax revenue sharing with the states that do not comply.

The feds have readily proven that power and authority as they have repeataedly busted medical marijuana possesors, growers and shops selling medical marijuana. The fact that the president says he does not want federal justice department funds spent on enforcing federal laws that differ from state laws really means nothing as he does not have the power to stop it from happening and as what he says just falls under the don't investiagte crap. He has said that he is not saying don't enforce the law he is only saying that federal justice department funds will not be wasted on investigated federal marijuana laws that are contrary to the enforcement desires of the state desires. State police and city police have always bsuted people for pot laws even in states where the courst (appellatte courts) have determineded that the sates's constitutions in those states granted it's citizens the constitutional right to posses and use marijuana in their own homes.

Unless existing laws are repealed new laws or the wishes of a powerless president mean nothing. The state I live in has actually written in its law books that the people of the state have voted upon and agreed tht they do not wish the current marijuana laws be enforced but that the laws does not allow non enforcement so they have directed the state to not actively spend state resources to investigste marijuana laws that fall under the guidelines: they then set down possesion limits and live plant number limits. However people who are found in possesion of pot or plants while the police are investigating other complints or crimes ares still prosecuted. That is how the Feds are now operating.

The fact that they have not shut down pot shops is only because they are presenlty adhering to what they feel is the direction of the head of the DEA. Most federal law officials don't give a rats ass about the states desires or any citizens desires reagarding drugs. Drug laws are big, really big money for law enforcement departments at both state and federal levels, they mean jobs and new waepons to play with. They mean over time and power. However at any time they can bust every single shop owner, and any possesor or grower of pot that is that does not have a state permit at a state level if they so wish. The feds can do it all as it is the present federal law.

Obahma has stated that he believes new federal laws should be wriiten but that existing laws still govern and will be enforced until such time as new laws are put into place by congress. He then stated medical marijuana laws are not a priority item with him and that he would not waste any of his political clout trying to get new laws written. He then stated he does not support the individual or mom and pop medical amijuana growing of marijuana and ony supported that thmarijuan laws should be changed to allow for dsipensing medical amrijuan as a controlled sustance in the way that other controlled sus bstance are dispensed ie at licensed registered pharmiacies.

Nope growing and possesion is not yet legal. Just as adultry, sodomy, horse theft and cattle rustling is not really legal. They (states with such laws and the feds) still can arrest you for those crimes but they will not hang you for rustling cattle or horse theft anymore even though those laws are still on the state law books in some states.

There are currently eleven states that have effective medical marijuana programs: Hawaii, Alaska, California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada, Montana, Colorado, Maine, Vermont and Rhode Island. There are variables within each program, but there are many similarities as well, which mostly include:

· Patients are allowed to grow, possess and use medical marijuana, if they have a recommendation for their physician to use it for the relief of symptoms of a specified illness,
· A caregiver, who is authorized to help the patient, may also grow and acquire marijuana for the patient,
· The patient is required to have documentation verifying they have been diagnosed with a specific illness,
· State registry programs issue identification cards to registered patients and their caregivers, enabling law enforcement to easily determine the validity of a patient’s claim,
· Cultivation limits are restricted to a concrete number, generally 1-3 ounces of usable marijuana and 6-7 plants, three of which may be mature,
·
Patients and caregivers are protected from state arrest if they are following their state law. Patients however are still subject to federal arrest because the federal government believes that marijuana has no medical utility. But because 99% of marijuana arrests are made at the state level, a state medical marijuana law provides a great deal of protection for valid patients.

State medical marijuana laws have absolutely nothing to do with the FDA drug-approval process. The FDA does not arrest people for using unapproved treatments. State medical marijuana laws don’t conflict with the FDA; they simply protect medical marijuana patients from arrest and jail under state law. The decision to place marijuana into a restricted controlled substance category was not made by the FDA. It was a political decision, made by Congress and therefore it is necessary to use the political processes to correct a political mistake.
[FONT=Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]There is no federal law that mandates that states must enforce federal laws against marijuana possession or cultivation. However there are also no laws stating that the federal government must share its tax revenues with the states for anything but federal relief programs. All other revenue sharing must be directed by the congress yearly. States are free to determine their own penalties—or lack thereof—for drug offenses. State governments cannot directly violate federal law by giving marijuana to patients, but states can refuse to arrest patients who grow their own. In turn the congress can not share federal tax revenues that account for huge sums of moneys.[/FONT]​

The head of the DEA is an appointment position serving at the descretion of the President. Law enforcement official below the positions of chiefs and directors thar are elected are not appointment positions, there loyalitoes are supposed to be to the courts not elected officials, even the president. The president nor anyone else has the power to tell mon appointed law officials not to uphold the law. The presidents power over the Head of the DEA is that he can siply replace him, if he had the guts as there would n be an congressional investigation if that ever happened.

God your a paranoid little bugger aren't ya.

I have been "busted" before, and I didn't even get a fine. The police came to my house, found my grow, and all they did was take my plants, pipes, seeds, and weed, and said don't do it again. Hell they even asked how I learned to grow like I do.
They were mesmerized by my simple DWC grow.
 
Thank you for all your responses...and thank you fatman..........if i do post pics...i will do it at a public library or something.......becuase i believe its alot better than alot of other grows ive seen online......i did alot of research and i totally understand what u mean fatman.........

pics coming soon when i get the chance.

aeroponic scrog 4x4
600 hps
co2
uvb for increaase resin
 

fatman7574

New Member
Prison food sucks. Lots of ground turkey, beans, rice, potatoes and carrots. They shipped me over 2500 miles to a private contracted prison in the Arizona desert. Cheaper than being kept in my own states prisons. Made me feel special and well loved. When they let me out the drove me in a prison vamn in prison cloths let me out of a barred prison van, gave me an airline ticket and drove off. They even did way with giving you a set ofc cloths and a few bucks. The cheap *astards. I made $34 a week while in prison. I was a literacy teacher. You would be surprised how many people in prisons can not read. It was kinda of neat though teaching a lifer to read so he could send a video home to his children of himself reading tto them from a book.

Paranoid. Nope I just do not want to go back and really do not thinks others would like prison anymore than I did. I think anyone that says its safe and encorage others to post photos should spend some time locked up. Then maybe they would learn the false pride from the boasting by posting is not worth it.
 

cheshirez

Member
Well thank you for this, now I am thoroughly paranoid.
I hope the gov't doesn't pull the same shit they did with alcohol. Let the fucking states decide!
 

fatman7574

New Member
Well thank you for this, now I am thoroughly paranoid.
I hope the gov't doesn't pull the same shit they did with alcohol. Let the fucking states decide!
Thats the problem with a country run by a congress of career politicians. I am all for if the president can only serve two terms then cogressman should only serve two terms maximum. Take the wheeling and dealing, pocket stuffing, whoring and molesting of aids out of politics and get the public back into public service. At least then things might get done based upon the desires and wishs of the people rather than the greed and ambitions of the career politicians.
 

kushRx

Member
Thats the problem with a country run by a congress of career politicians. I am all for if the president can only serve two terms then cogressman should only serve two terms maximum. Take the wheeling and dealing, pocket stuffing, whoring and molesting of aids out of politics and get the public back into public service. At least then things might get done based upon the desires and wishs of the people rather than the greed and ambitions of the career politicians.
Could not of said it any better. I have been wondering about this myself, because i was thinking about showing how i do things cause id think alot of roll it uppers would like to see it, but just way to fuckin scared.
 

atrumblood

Well-Known Member
Paranoid. Nope I just do not want to go back and really do not thinks others would like prison anymore than I did. I think anyone that says its safe and encorage others to post photos should spend some time locked up. Then maybe they would learn the false pride from the boasting by posting is not worth it.
Yo man, sorry if it seemed like I was out to get ya on that one.

I do agree with everything you've said. I guess my own ways are a little "brave".

Also, your right that time behind bars would probably completely change my attitude towards all of this.

I live by a few rules that I never cross my self, and while it did take me getting drunk, breaking into my own apartment, and having the cops called on you, then they find your grow for me to start living by them. So far they have worked out great.

Not only that, if you have noticed the people are starting to become more educated about weed, and every day, I see more news reports about people for the legalization of marijuana than ever before. More and more states are voting to legalize marijuana, and many have just recently won that battle.

Sooner or later it will get to a point to where the government will not longer be able to ignore the peoples voice, and they will see it is not just another drug but so much more. It could mean more jobs, and it could mean an incredible number of medical discoveries. I have definitely seen a brighter side to all of this, and that could account for my boldness on my opinions.

I am sure this is all just preaching to the choir :)

Any way Happy growing, and be safe in which ever way you can.
 

fatman7574

New Member
I don't think it is that far away before the feds change the laws governing medical marijuana, but I do mot think in amy of our life times the feds are going to make it federally leagal for any common citizen eb vem medical marijuan users to grow medical marijuana. We will be lucky kust for the congess to follow the advice of the FDA. The Fda believes it has medical uase and y that it should be able to be prescribed and dispsensed as a pa contrlled subsy tance by Licensed Pharmacies. However the fedes still contriol licensed pharmacies not the states. No one at a federal level supports mom and pop dispensaries or mom and pop growers or home growers, just legal pharmacy dispensing of marijuana s as a controlled substance like other controlled drugs, such as Vicoden, morphine, cocaine. They do not allow legally allow those substances to be made/grown in a home for dispensing to prescribed users. Cocaine and opium poppies are very easy to grow. Where I grew up as a child in the mid west cocaine plants were grown as hedges. They stilllgrow there. Probaly 99.9% of police officers if they had a cocaine hedgegrowing around there fri ont yard would not recognize it. Most police officers have not even seen live pot plants but in photos. few of them have seen photos of budding plants. When I was popped last time they all started bringin in their personal cameras as most of those there had necver seen growing pot plants yet alone a full laboratory in a home. Only the catual narcotics tema had ever seen live plants or a laboratory. They siad in the paper the largestest most sophoisticated laboratory in the stae or region. What they afiled to reprt was it was a leagal licensed laboratory. Hum, I guess never mentioned that before. Those photos are the only photos I will probably ever consider posting. Just a lot of glass ware and lab equipment. They reported that they destroyed it so they re were reequired to pay for its replacement. Most of the "destroyed glassware" sits on display in their offices.
 

Shrubs First

Well-Known Member
Fatman, I can't even finish reading any of your posts they are so broken and poorly written... Just type the word press space, and type another one..

And no, a cop can't say I have been called for a noise complaint and oh by the way I found weed, an attourny with half a brain will throw that out of court.

It is called probable cause, and whatever is found must be specified in a search warrant or you will be awarded with an illegal search and siezure.
 

fatman7574

New Member
Fatman, I can't even finish reading any of your posts they are so broken and poorly written... Just type the word press space, and type another one..

And no, a cop can't say I have been called for a noise complaint and oh by the way I found weed, an attourny with half a brain will throw that out of court.

It is called probable cause, and whatever is found must be specified in a search warrant or you will be awarded with an illegal search and siezure.
First off your writing and spelling sucks. Use a dictionary and learn how to spell attorney. It is only an illegal search and seizure if he comes into your home unannounced or forces his way into your home dude. You seem capable enough of reading my writing to come back with a stupid opinion. If you do not like my writing simply put me on ignore. I have dyslexia. For me everyones writings are difficult to read. If only my writings are difficult for you, consider your self lucky.


If a cop comes to your door and you let him in anything he sees or smells is fair game. That is the Law. It is called the Plain Site Law. You gave up your right to privacy when you let him in. Sorry dude your wrong. He needs no warrant to ask to enter your home. Just as he needs no warrant to ask to look in your car. You have to know you can say no. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Sure you can just not let him in the door, but that is just an invitation to follow up visits. No cop without your permission has the right to enter your home with out a warrant or imminent life theatening danger to them selves or the public or if he sees an armed felon he is chasing enter your home etc. After all he needs to protect you. Just as people foolishly empty their pockets out for a cop, let a cop put his hands in their pockets, and hand a cop their drivers license upon request, they also most often allow them in their homes when the cops makes that request. A lawyer will not get you out of it if you let the cop in your door. A cop can pat ypu down, if in patting you down he believes he feels evidr ence of a cocealed weapon, he can then arrest you and check your pockets or he can apply for a serach warrant. Feeling something gives him just cause to arrest you or apply for a warrant no more than that.

No cop needs cause to have a conversation with you. Sure you can simply say I do not have time and close your door. Not many people do that as they watch to many bogus cop shows where the cops basically do waht ever they want. No cop needs a warrant to arrest you or charge you for a crime he witnesses when he is in your home legally.

If a cop is allowed in your home by you he is there legally and needs no warrants and need no cover his eyes. If he asks to use your restroom he can mistakenly look in every room he passes until he finds the rest room. If he wanders around without asking to use the bathroom that is perfectly legal if he does not use force to do so or if you c do not stop him by directing him to stop or to leave.

Police are more often believed in court than you would be. After all they are considered officers of the court so they do not lie in court. Criminals such as pot growers lie in court. You will simply be considred a lier. If he said he was hunting for the rest room they will believe him. Your saying that you told the cop which door was the bath room door will be ignored or simply denied by the cop. No judge would throw that out of court regardless of your attorneys efforts.

IF YOU DO NOT LIKE MY WRITING PUT ME ON YOUR IGNORE LIST AS MY DYSLEXIA HAS BEEN WITH ME FOR 60 YEARS IT IS NOT GOING WAY JUST BECaUSE OF YOUR COMPAINTS.
 

Shrubs First

Well-Known Member
Why would you ever let him in your house, FIRST OFF, secondly, it is very easy to
show that a cop mislead you in to to believing he is legally able to enter your house
this my friend is called entrapment... HAHA you correct me on attourney, and than
proceed to claim dyslexia and spell check your whole post waste of time.

And I keep my grow room locked, any locked room is not fair game. So the cop can
suck it.

I'm sorry if you were a victim of plain sight... Don't keep shit in plain sight, I'm sure
you learned your lesson
 

fatman7574

New Member
Why would you ever let him in your house, FIRST OFF, secondly, it is very easy to
show that a cop mislead you in to to believing he is legally able to enter your house
this my friend is called entrapment... HAHA you correct me on attourney, and than
proceed to claim dyslexia and spell check your whole post waste of time.

And I keep my grow room locked, any locked room is not fair game. So the cop can
suck it.

I'm sorry if you were a victim of plain sight... Don't keep shit in plain sight, I'm sure
you learned your lesson
Are you really so stupid and ignorant of the law as your writings indicate. To begin with I just spent paragraphs saying that a police officer can not enter your home if you do not let him except under certain conditions. You are quite the dumb ass if you missed that. Then I went on write many other ways cops get away with doing things bcause people are ignorant of the law and their rights. That should hardly be conceived as by a intelligent person as me being a person who willing lets a cop eneter his home waithout a warrant. When they came to my door there were many of them, state Federal and local and they had four warrants in hand. They stayed outside until I read them in their entirety. The warrants gave them permission to tear down my house piece by piece if they so wished, plain site was definitely not an issue. You have no isdea waht your talking about so should just keep your a** hole shut as that is obviously what your talking out of.

As far as your ludicrous statement about entrapments. Dude you are ignorant. entrapmenmt is when a cop asks you or encorgaes you ar even braeks thw law with you and then charges you with the crime. If you have no idea what yu wrt iting abiout you should not be writing. You obviously should not be writing. It is perfectly lega fora cop to trick you into giving him permission to enter your home by asking to em nter, He is just taking advanatage of your ignorance and that is legal and acceptabale as far as the law and courts are concerned.

As far as the spell check crap I donot have spell check for this furum as far as I know. Your are a dumb ass, ignorant of the law and just palin stupid.
 
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