Is it ok to be a pretend christian?

Sometimes it is. In the part of the country I live in people often don't repect those who aren't Xians. (as I like to call them)

When it comes to your wife don't do it. Be honest with her.

hmm well i read everything and this will easy go in this kind of a post but what about pretending to be a religion just to smoke weed??? Welcome to Temple 420 or Videos and tell me what you guys think about it ..it looks to me kinda ike a get out of jail free card lol....

matthew said:

So I became an atheist about the time I got married. My wife knows how I feel and she knows I read a lot about religion (she is a devout "I am nothing without God" Christian.) So I have been thinking about becoming a "pretend christian", by that I mean tell her that I have "seen the light" and converting to her religion and getting into the church.

What say you mighty potheads?

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I see no reason for you and your wife to be together at this point. It's clear that your personal philosophies have diverged, and honestly, neither of you can be very happy living a lie.

That's what the Queen thinks.

I feel most people lie to themselves about their beliefs, I think its because its indoctrinated into our minds at a young age.

I can't really remember if I ever truly believed. But I lied to myself until I started thinking for myself.

And its also my opinion that atheism isn't very healthy for your soul, you need some kinda spiritual outlet, I know smoking is one of mine.

you should never have to pretend to be anything. if people cant accept you for who you truly are then they don't deserve to have you in their life

People of the theory claim that in Exodus 30:23, "calamus" was actually "kineboisin" - which is a Hebrew word for cannabis, or marijuana. Even some (non-drug using?) Hebrew etymologists (language experts who study the origin of words) have suggested it. With this quote which I took from a confused , ignorant (Not Aware), Minister, I did some studying which I found fairly easy with things being at our fingertips and did some cross referencing; this is what I found in a day. ( I am Spiritual so this just strengthens my beliefs and I ask any of you with time to check it out yourselves.)

Some bible's are different they change the first description Sweet to fragrance Calamus and sometimes change Calamus to Cane. I found 5 instances in the BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 100 versions and 50 languages.. here you can find about 20 Bible's to cross reference.

1. Exodus 30:23
   "Take the following fine spices: 500 shekels of liquid myrrh, half as much (that is, 250 shekels) of fragrant cinnamon, 250 shekels of fragrant calamus,
   Exodus 30:22-24 (in Context) Exodus 30 (Whole Chapter)
2. Song of Solomon 4:14
   nard and saffron, calamus and cinnamon, with every kind of incense tree, with myrrh and aloes and all the finest spices.
   Song of Solomon 4:13-15 (in Context) Song of Solomon 4 (Whole Chapter)
3. Isaiah 43:24
   You have not bought any fragrant calamus for me, or lavished on me the fat of your sacrifices. But you have burdened me with your sins and wearied me with your offenses.
   Isaiah 43:23-25 (in Context) Isaiah 43 (Whole Chapter)
4. Jeremiah 6:20
   What do I care about incense from Sheba or sweet calamus from a distant land? Your burnt offerings are not acceptable; your sacrifices do not please me."
   Jeremiah 6:19-21 (in Context) Jeremiah 6 (Whole Chapter)
5. Ezekiel 27:19
   and casks of wine from Izal in exchange for your wares: wrought iron, cassia and calamus.
   Ezekiel 27:18-20 (in Context) Ezekiel 27 (Whole Chapter)

That amount on the Cannabis alone was 6 1/4 pounds that was used.
I expanded from their to see how often the anointing Oil that the Cannabis was used in and this is what I found.

1. Exodus 25:6
   oil for lighting, spices for the anointing oil and for the fragrant incense,
   Exodus 25:5-7 (in Context) Exodus 25 (Whole Chapter)
2. Exodus 29:7
   "Then you shall take the anointing oil and pour it on his head and anoint him.
   Exodus 29:6-8 (in Context) Exodus 29 (Whole Chapter)
3. Exodus 29:21
   "Then you shall take some of the blood that is on the altar and some of the anointing oil, and sprinkle it on Aaron and on his garments and on his sons and on his sons' garments with him; so he and his garments shall be consecrated, as well as his sons and his sons' garments with him.
   Exodus 29:20-22 (in Context) Exodus 29 (Whole Chapter)
4. Exodus 30:22
   [ The Anointing Oil ] Moreover, the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,
   Exodus 30:21-23 (in Context) Exodus 30 (Whole Chapter)
5. Exodus 30:25
   "You shall make of these a holy anointing oil, a perfume mixture, the work of a perfumer; it shall be a holy anointing oil.
   Exodus 30:24-26 (in Context) Exodus 30 (Whole Chapter)
6. Exodus 30:31
   "You shall speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'This shall be a holy anointing oil to Me throughout your generations.
   Exodus 30:30-32 (in Context) Exodus 30 (Whole Chapter)
7. Exodus 31:11
   the anointing oil also, and the fragrant incense for the holy place, they are to make them according to all that I have commanded you."
   Exodus 31:10-12 (in Context) Exodus 31 (Whole Chapter)
8. Exodus 35:8
   and oil for lighting, and spices for the anointing oil, and for the fragrant incense,
   Exodus 35:7-9 (in Context) Exodus 35 (Whole Chapter)
9. Exodus 35:15
   and the altar of incense and its poles, and the anointing oil and the fragrant incense, and the screen for the doorway at the entrance of the tabernacle;
   Exodus 35:14-16 (in Context) Exodus 35 (Whole Chapter)
10. Exodus 35:28
    and the spice and the oil for the light and for the anointing oil and for the fragrant incense.
    Exodus 35:27-29 (in Context) Exodus 35 (Whole Chapter)
11. Exodus 37:29
    And he made the holy anointing oil and the pure, fragrant incense of spices, the work of a perfumer.
    Exodus 37:28-29 (in Context) Exodus 37 (Whole Chapter)
12. Exodus 39:38
    and the gold altar, and the anointing oil and the fragrant incense, and the veil for the doorway of the tent;
    Exodus 39:37-39 (in Context) Exodus 39 (Whole Chapter)
13. Exodus 40:9
    "Then you shall take the anointing oil and anoint the tabernacle and all that is in it, and shall consecrate it and all its furnishings; and it shall be holy.
    Exodus 40:8-10 (in Context) Exodus 40 (Whole Chapter)
14. Leviticus 8:2
    " Take Aaron and his sons with him, and the garments and the anointing oil and the bull of the sin offering, and the two rams and the basket of unleavened bread,
    Leviticus 8:1-3 (in Context) Leviticus 8 (Whole Chapter)
15. Leviticus 8:10
    Moses then took the anointing oil and anointed the tabernacle and all that was in it, and consecrated them.
    Leviticus 8:9-11 (in Context) Leviticus 8 (Whole Chapter)
16. Leviticus 8:12
    Then he poured some of the anointing oil on Aaron's head and anointed him, to consecrate him.
    Leviticus 8:11-13 (in Context) Leviticus 8 (Whole Chapter)
17. Leviticus 8:30
    So Moses took some of the anointing oil and some of the blood which was on the altar and sprinkled it on Aaron, on his garments, on his sons, and on the garments of his sons with him; and he consecrated Aaron, his garments, and his sons, and the garments of his sons with him.
    Leviticus 8:29-31 (in Context) Leviticus 8 (Whole Chapter)
18. Leviticus 10:7
    "You shall not even go out from the doorway of the tent of meeting, or you will die; for the LORD'S anointing oil is upon you." So they did according to the word of Moses.
    Leviticus 10:6-8 (in Context) Leviticus 10 (Whole Chapter)
19. Leviticus 21:10
    'The priest who is the highest among his brothers, on whose head the anointing oil has been poured and who has been consecrated to wear the garments, shall not uncover his head nor tear his clothes;
    Leviticus 21:9-11 (in Context) Leviticus 21 (Whole Chapter)
20. Leviticus 21:12
    nor shall he go out of the sanctuary nor profane the sanctuary of his God, for the consecration of the anointing oil of his God is on him; I am the LORD.
    Leviticus 21:11-13 (in Context) Leviticus 21 (Whole Chapter)
21. Numbers 4:16
    "The responsibility of Eleazar the son of Aaron the priest is the oil for the light and the fragrant incense and the continual grain offering and the anointing oil--the responsibility of all the tabernacle and of all that is in it, with the sanctuary and its furnishings."
    Numbers 4:15-17 (in Context) Numbers 4 (Whole Chapter)
22. Ezra 6:9
    "Whatever is needed, both young bulls, rams, and lambs for a burnt offering to the God of heaven, and wheat, salt, wine and anointing oil, as the priests in Jerusalem request, it is to be given to them daily without fail,
    Ezra 6:8-10 (in Context) Ezra 6 (Whole Chapter)

This next part kinda turned my world upside down a bit, I seen the tree used for different things like the Tabernacle created to please God, the Ark of the Covenant in the Tabernacle which was drenched in Anointing Oil, The Burning Bush that Moses spoke and the Noah's Ark. All of these things were made from the Shittah-tree, except possibly Noah's Ark it is only speculated because they still are not sure.

Shittah-tree[1] is Hebrew for acacia. Acacia albida, Acacia tortilis and Acacia iraqensis can be found growing wild in the Sinai desert and the Jordan valley.
Shittah wood was employed in making the various parts of the Tabernacle and of the Ark of the covenant in the wilderness. It was the acacia or mimosa (Acacia nilotica and A. seyal).
"The wild acacia (Mimosa nilotica), under the name of sunt, everywhere represents the seneh, or senna, of the burning bush. A slightly different form of the tree, equally common under the name of seyal, is the ancient shittah, or, as more usually expressed in the plural form, the shittim, of which the Tabernacle was made."

These are all Ethnogens...


Maybe we do divine God through Ethnogens.

Faidherbia albida (syn. Acacia albida Delile) is a species of Faidherbia native to Africa and the Middle East, formerly widely included in the genus Acacia.
It contains the psychoactive chemical compound dimethyltryptamine in its leaves.[6]

Umbrella Thorn Acacia (Acacia tortilis) also known as an Israeli Babool, as well as the "Burning Bush" of the Israelites and Egyptians, is a medium to large canoped tree native primarily to the savannahs of Africa (especially Sudan), but also occurring in the Middle East.
DMT, NMT, and other tryptamines.

Acacia nilotica (Thorn mimosa) is a species of Acacia (wattle) native to Africa and the Indian subcontinent; Scented Thorn Acacia is native from Egypt south to Mozambique and Natal through to Pakistan, India and Burma
DMT, in the leaf.

Red acacia (Acacia seyal; also known as Shittim wood or Shittim tree) is a thorny, 6-10 m (20-30 ft) high tree with a greenish or reddish bark.
It is distributed from Egypt to Kenya and west Senegal. In the Sahara, it often grows in damp valleys.
DMT, in the leaf.18 Ether extracts about 1-7% of the dried leaf mass.

So here we are with this new knowledge that might change minds I hope it doesn't turn you away from God.

One more thing the information I looked up within a couple days changed and some hidden a little. Is their another power at work?
The Acacia Seyal was removed from a list Wikipedia uses which was there 2 days ago. I still found the exact list with the pictures that Wikipedia was using but for some reason Wikipedia took it out of their used list. When you look up the trees in wikipedia only one directly states it has DMT the Acacia albida, all the others the info is not listed about it's effects. I wonder if the big R.C.C. is at work hidding info.

I haven't found this info on their sites to double check but this is the new possible truth on Frankincense, also used in the rituals everywhere.
Wikipedia
As of May 2008 FASBE Journal announced that Johns Hopkins University and the Hebrew University of Jerusalem have determined that frankincense smoke is a psychoactive drug that relieves depression and anxiety in mice.[3] The researchers found that the chemical compound incensole acetate is responsible for the effects.

Well thats a lot of psychoactive drugs in the bible and I'm only in the Old Testament...
I don't think God minds at all, if anything it may be the true way to divine the almighty's presence.

Please check again and correct me, I don't mind accurate info at all..

Covey WhiteGold

Peace and Pot

you can pretend to be anything you like,you dont have to explain anything to anyone?

As a rule, don't lie to those you love. If you were a politician or doctor, you don't owe the public your deepest thoughts on such a explosive subject. But your close friends and family should know the real you.

But anyway, of all the things you could lie about, that one sucks the most. Pretty soon she'll be expecting you to go to all the lame ass functions. There's your hell, buddy.

But if you wish to form a more common ground with her, you could meet in the middle: The truth is, there is no evidence of a god person, either way. Knowing this, a reasonable position is that: there COULD be some big dude out there creating universes. And he COULD be using evolution to do his creating work. And if so, an intelligent species LIKE humans COULD have been his intent, for this universe. It may not be probable, but it's possible.

Most Christians just get too hung up on their dogma. A moderate, thinking Christian will concede that not all of the bible CAN be taken literally. Science has lifted the vale. But we non-Christians can leave the door open for the unknown; it aids communication better then lying.

Yeah i used to be semi-christian when i was younger , but have been a strong atheist for the last 6 years...even going as far to say "Well I'm sorry" when ever I hear someone proclaim their faith to me , based on the fact that no "god' has been proven true to me...I just dont know how people can 'have faith' in something they cant see , when they know NO ONE can have 100% faith in anyone they see on the street?

Do you have faith that shady guy down the dark ally wont rape & rob you?
Do you have faith that the guy wearing the black mask wont rob the bank?
Do you have faith that proven Kleptomaniac wont steal from you?

Is that why your wife does not like you smoking?

extracrispy90 said:

Yeah i used to be semi-christian when i was younger , but have been a strong atheist for the last 6 years...even going as far to say "Well I'm sorry" when ever I hear someone proclaim their faith to me , based on the fact that no "god' has been proven true to me...I just dont know how people can 'have faith' in something they cant see , when they know NO ONE can have 100% faith in anyone they see on the street?

Do you have faith that shady guy down the dark ally wont rape & rob you?
Do you have faith that the guy wearing the black mask wont rob the bank?
Do you have faith that proven Kleptomaniac wont steal from you?

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I guess I have faith because for me to be the alternative means I'm only bound by Man's Laws which people get away with every stinkin day. I could be evil and manipulate and take advantage and use...
but I cannot be something I'm not..
Maybe Christ felt the same way..
We need to stop being robots and become emotional creatures.
I could cut that person off or lie to move up in promotion.. I could be a lot of things just by choice.. I choose no.
You are right though no one has ever come back except Jesus and religions used his story to control others.
I really can't answer I don't think anyone can, it comes down to believing we care about each other is enough; even that one who would jump you and take everything you own.
Jesus doesn't concern about what goes into our mouths as much as what comes out.
I wish I could help you find answers but I find myself stumbling around in darkness too.

divorce her

let me clarify, it boils down to not be with someone who wants to change you, you will never be happy. find the person that lets you be you, and loves you for it. my wife is the shit, puts up with everything i do, all my bullshit, and still loves me. she was brought up in christian school, in a crazy-religuous household. i am baptised catholic, but i went there for christmas mass, and once on easter until i moved out (17 yrs old)

once on my own, i formed my own opinion and conflicts with the likelyhood of religion, like dinosaurs.. so.... my wife does not push me to be religious, and she stopped going to church when we moved in together, her exact words.. "i went to church 4 days a week for 18 years, went to christian high school, ive put my time in"

she is a believer, im not. we dont talk much about it and it doesnt affect our lives..

DIVORCE HER for making you into the person who thinks he has to be a fake christian.. makes me sick!

matthew said:

So I became an atheist about the time I got married. My wife knows how I feel and she knows I read a lot about religion (she is a devout "I am nothing without God" Christian.) So I have been thinking about becoming a "pretend christian", by that I mean tell her that I have "seen the light" and converting to her religion and getting into the church.

What say you mighty potheads?

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Is there any other kind of Christian?

Staying true to your wife is more important than pretend to stay true to a religion. In an alternative to considering yourself an Atheist, perhaps maybe tell her that you ever found self-satisfying proof of God, you would believe -- Which ultimately would make you Agnostic.

Most important thing, be truthful to your wife regardless of your relationship with god.

hey so i saw a thread that your wife was packing.. did you get rid of that manipulative probation officer of a wife?

Matthew, I hope you still read this thread and I hope your marriage is going well.

I'm in exactly the same boat. My wife is an evangelical. I'm an agnostic, because I think being hard-lined atheist is almost as close minded as being Christian, because we just don't know everything. But I subscribe to mostly atheistic beliefs. And my wife is a hard-lined evangelical Christian. My dad is a pastor, my uncle is a pastor, my brother will be ordained in a couple months and will be an Army chaplain in August.

Around my family, my wife and church people, I tell them I'm Christian. Funnily enough, I even teach Sunday School.

For me, I rationalize it this way. I love my family. I love my wife. My wife's social circle is the church. I think keeping a happy home and a happy family is more important than the few hours a week I need to go to church or the animosity caused by my fervently extolling my beliefs.

Many people sit on their own soap boxes and say they would never "sell out" their beliefs. But when I prioritize my life, it goes 1) Wife & kids 2) family 3) security 4) friends 5) beliefs. I'm willing to sacrifice convincing those in my family or church for overall happiness of their and my life. And once my kids get old enough, they will be getting an alternate education from me, but also, I will teach them about maintaining a happy family.

My wife knows that I was agnostic and she knows I still hold tenets like evolution, big bang, etc., but I tell her that I think it's just Genesis taken figuratively. It saves a lot of arguing between us. I tell her and my family I'm born again, I just think that the Bible shouldn't be taken 100% literally. And that opens up thoughtful discussion without the animosity.

So, do what's right for you and your situation.

ive seen alot of people tell you not to do this and to be up front with your wife, she will UNDERSTAND but i mean first of all come on people we are talking about christians here. all you can do is be you and not change that for anyone but you otherwise whats the point

ya dig?,

you are very lost,,,to pretend to be a christian,,,,makes me sick,,,world is full of vampires as i would say,,,,,,