is bho the same as rick simpsons hemp oil?

Discussion in 'Medicating' started by k3nz1387, Mar 16, 2013.

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    k3nz1387

    k3nz1387 Well-Known Member

    as the title states i was wondering if bho is the same as the oil rick simpson uses to cure skin cancer and other medical conditions? the reason i ask is my gf has developed skin cancer on 3 of her moles and i would like to make some oil to try and cure her skin cancer. how would i apply the oil to rid my gf from the cancer? any info will be much appreciated.
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    merkzilla

    merkzilla Active Member

    There's a video on youtube on how to make it. Watching it now myself, don't know how effective it actually is.
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    k3nz1387

    k3nz1387 Well-Known Member

    yea i watched it its really good... its just i have refined butane here and can make it tomorow and iv read sumwhere that bho is the same its just that rick uses hexane or iso as the solvent whereas bho butane is the solvent. why i ask is because rick heats the iso to evaporate it and was wondering does it also decarb the thc. if it does that would meanid have to heat the bho after the butane has evaporated to end up with the same product.
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    brimck325

    brimck325 Well-Known Member

    if your going to ingest i would recommend grain alcohol extraction.
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    polyarcturus

    polyarcturus Well-Known Member

    heating to a certain point(below 200) will not decrb the thc.

    butane is a decent solvent, makes a good hash that will blow your mind. essentially it is the same as (rick somthing) oil but a different solvent.. i woudl stay away from alchohol because it is not very seletive, and also not the greatest solvent.

    acetone and butane have become my current methods, besides shaking dry ice and passing through a screen.
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    oakley1984

    oakley1984 Well-Known Member

    the basis behind his oil is its liquid weed. not a concentrate.
    bho is in the wrong category i assure you.

    (yay 1000th post lol)
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    Thundercat

    Thundercat Well-Known Member

    Unless I missed something how is what he makes not a concentrate? He washes like a pound of weed with a solvent and then evaps the solvent.......this leaves you with the concentrated oils from the buds. I'm not saying what he makes is the same as BHO necessarily, but they are both concentrates.
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    Puffncough

    Puffncough Member

    Could BHO be put into a capsul to digest and have the same effect as RSO?
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    Thundercat

    Thundercat Well-Known Member

    I think that would be plausible, though butane I believe inherently leaves trace chemicals other solvents I guess don't. Rick Simpsons go to solvent is Naphtha I believe, and it apparently works real well at not absorbing the chlorophyll from the plant matter. He also likes alcohol but says you will end up with a darker product because of the chlorophyll. I've been making oil for the last 8-9 months using Iso alcohol, I'm gonna try some grain alcohol once I go get some. I've tried the traditional method, which includes shaking the material in the solvent, then evaping, which did give me more chlorophyll but still good product. I have also made some pure amber oil with the Iso, by doing a single fast wash on a small amount of material and repeating for a whole batch. Good luck have fun, and use proper ventilation!!!
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    VladFromOG

    VladFromOG Active Member

    BHO is more concentrated than RSO and devoid of contaminants (if made properly), and can most definitely be put into caps. Here on the west coast every dispensary has BHO caps, but none stock RSO (why would they, BHO and CO2 oils are cheaper and purer). Butane evaporates completely easily and doesnt leave contaminants (do a clean plate test first to make sure you have pure butane)

    But other than purity and solvents used, yes RSO and BHO have the same active ingredients, just BHO is a bit more concentrated, and so they have the same physiological effects in the body, just BHO needs a slightly smaller dose (if treating cancer just go for it, cant OD and more is better!)
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    oakley1984

    oakley1984 Well-Known Member

    you did miss something. RSO is designed to not be concentrated like BHO
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    Kite High

    Kite High Well-Known Member

    Apologies but that is quite erroneous The hemp oil as Rick promotes is extraction and simply uses a different solvent than butane. As it is only dissolving the cannabinoids and terps etc. it is most definitely a concentrate and not "liquid weed" as the plant material is not emulsified nor in the final product.
    The decarbing occurs in the rice cooker portion of the process. All heat does is speed up the decarb. At lower temps it merely takes longer than at higher one with less degradation of the thc.

    Surely bho can be used but to activate must be decarbed.
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    Kite High

    Kite High Well-Known Member

    Wow...really...can you please point out how this design is implemented and what chemistry/mechanics you have to validate this erroneous claim?
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    Kite High

    Kite High Well-Known Member

    Naphtha is quite clean residually as well. Yes the naphtha does trap the waxes and lignins moreso than butane which does lower the concentrations of cannabinoids to a minute degree but not so much as to be detrimental to the effects. it is cheaper and easier to do large bathces with naptha is I am surer why he promotes it.

    And in chemical analogy ether would be the absolute best solvent to use but due to meth is so very hard to obtain and most people would have catastrophic events using it.
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    oakley1984

    oakley1984 Well-Known Member

    24hr soak. simple as that... you ever watched the rso videos? read the guides? his goal is for a whole extraction vs a cannabinoid extraction. He is concentrating the ENTIRE spectrum of compounds vs Only active cannabinoids

    Im sorry that i need to explain it So thoroughly for you, but its blatantly obvious this is the goal behind RSO vs bho. go read.
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    Kite High

    Kite High Well-Known Member

    psst...no where in the method i used was there mention of a 24 hour soak...I have done both many times and there is negligible difference in potency....

    quoted from rick's site

    http://phoenixtears.ca/make-the-medicine/

    "The starting material must be as dry as possible, it is then placed in a container of good depth to prevent the oil solvent mix from splashing out during the washing process. Once the starting material is placed in the desired container it is then dampened with the solvent being used, be sure the area you are working in is well ventilated and there are no sparks, open flames or red hot elements in the area. After the material is dampened it is crushed using a length of wood such as a piece of 2×2, after it has been crushed add more solvent until the material is completely immersed, in the solvent. Work the material immersed in the solvent for about three minutes, with the length of wood you used to crush it with. Then slowly pour the solvent oil mix off into another clean container, leaving the starting material in the original container, so it can be washed for the second time.

    Again add fresh solvent to the starting material until it is once more immersed in the solvent then work it for three more minutes with the length of wood you have been using. Then pour the solvent oil mix into the same container that is holding the solvent oil mix from the first wash you did. Trying to do a third wash on the plant material would produce very little oil and it would be of little or no benefit as a medicine. The first wash dissolves 70 to 80% of the available resin off the starting material, the second wash then removes whatever resin that is of benefit that remains."

    So sir you are misinformed and it is blatantly obvious you have no bio chemical knowledge so keep your misinformation to yourself. You only demonstrated that you are inaccurate as to Ricks process and your understanding of concentrates.
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    oakley1984

    oakley1984 Well-Known Member

    i apologize he has changed his method yet again, it Was a 24hr soak previously, now its crunching with a 2x2! Same difference, he is Raping the material to essentially make liquid plant matter.. he is Most DEFINITELY not solely targeting active cannabinoids with a process like that.
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    Thundercat

    Thundercat Well-Known Member

    Obviously you have no desire to listen to positive reason on the subject. Kite High has pointed out the exact reasons you are wrong, and quoted the person doing the process. What he targets or doesn't target was never part of the conversation until a couple posts ago. You said the RSO isn't a concentrate and YOU WERE WRONG......for the various reasons already stated.

    Now we can get back to talking about helping people through the use of CONCENTRATES of all natures, or you can officially become a troll.

    Peace TC
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    Puffncough

    Puffncough Member

    The BHO caps would be used for someone going through a 2nd round of chemo, i'm worried if there is anything left from the butane it may do some harm. Anything other then BHO I would have to make my self. You said you have tried the "traditional method" for more chlorophyll yield (which I think helps with colon cancer), what is the current method you are using now?


    Thats good info for the purity test i'll have to look it up.
    Does the difference in the heating process change anything? I know one of the major effects of RSO has to do with the CBDs and CBNs (Mostly coming from stems and foliage?).
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    qwizoking

    qwizoking Well-Known Member

    troll or not he does bring up a few points. yes rick was trying to make concentrated weed not to solely extraxt thc both are concentrates.. well i guess just 1. also thc doesnt have to reach any set temp (200) to decarboxylate,it happens naturally over time heat just speeds the process, your basically just evaporating water. also beacuse this happens over time bud that has been properly cured will be decarboxylated so heating does not save any terpines..ive never decarbed for edibles etc using heat...oh i guess he did make 1 more, rick changes the site often, he used to not decarb anything so it wouldnt get you high, but he does say quite often that hes never taken a chemistry course or anything

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