Infusing Rick Simpson Oil into Coconut Oil w/ Sunflower Lecithin

MrBoard

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Hello, I was curious if anyone had any experience with preparing or using coconut infused with rick simpson oil.
I have been reading about using lecithin to increase potency... I was wondering if anyone knew if this would affect work for use with a cancer patient?

Will RSO would disperse evenly on it's own in warmed up coconut oil?

What is the point of maximum saturation for grams of RSO to oz of coconut oil?

Thanks for your help
 
qwizoking

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hash isnt absorbed efficiently without messing with it..coconut is nice orally, unrefined sunflower topically and a dash of ethanol or pg is good too
 
MrBoard

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qwizoking said:
lecithin is a waste imo
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Do you have a reason why you think lecithin is a waste of time? Or is it just your opinion?
My reason for wanting to use it, is because it breaks things down into smaller particles... Lecithin is commonly used in pharmaceutical and holistic medicines to break them down for more efficient body absorption of active ingredients. Badkat's canna caps guide also uses lecithin. I mainly just want to know if there is any danger of lecithin damaging any part of the medicine which is needed for curing cancer.

I was going to use sunflower lecithin or some other non-soy lecithin, because soy is one of the most genetically modified plants in the US.
 
MrBoard

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endpro said:
Why would you dilute your RSO, with coconut oil?
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RSO is meant to be ingested orally... It would be much easier for a patient to eat their daily dosage of medicine if it were already infused into a food item. Also eating a small amount of unrefined coconut oil every day is good for your health. I was planning on using "Dr. Bronner's Unrefined Whole Kernel Coconut Oil", as it is the only whole kernel coconut oil I can find.
I was going to figure out the ratio mathematically and recommend the patient to eat an equivalent daily dosage in infused coconut oil as rick simpson recommends using.
In theory, it should work, as long as the RSO forms an emulsion with the coconut oil. This is why I was asking if anyone knew if anything needed to be done in order to for a perfect emulsion, and prevent it from separating.
 
MrBoard

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qwizoking said:
hash isnt absorbed efficiently without messing with it..coconut is nice orally, unrefined sunflower topically and a dash of ethanol or pg is good too
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Could you please explain what you mean by "without messing with it?" I need information on how to do this properly... Do you mean I need to stir it up a lot? Do you mean I need to add some sort of emulsifier?
"messing with it" is too broad for me to know what you mean...

Thank you for the response though
 
qwizoking

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lecithin.......
"In the pharmaceutical industry, it acts as a wetting, stabilizing agent and a choline enrichment carrier, helps in emulsifications and encapsulation, and is a good dispersing agent. It can be used in manufacture of intravenous fat infusions and for therapeutic use.

is an excellent emulsifier. In aqueous solution, its phospholipids can form either liposomes, bilayer sheets, micelles, or lamellar structures, depending on hydration and temperature."

sorry not in an explaining kind of mood today ^from wiki
heres why we use coconut
"....Now Medium-chain triglycerides (MCTs) are medium-chain (8 to 10 carbons)

In the digestive system MCTs are broken down into individual fatty acids (MCFA). Unlike other fatty acids, MCFA are absorbed directly from the intestines into the portal vein and sent straight to the liver where they are, for the most part, burned as fuel much like a carbohydrate. In this respect they act more like carbohydrates than like fats.

Other fats require pancreatic enzymes to break them into smaller units. They are then absorbed into the intestinal wall and packaged into bundles of fat (lipid) and protein called lipoproteins. These lipoproteins are carried by the lymphatic system, bypassing the liver, and then dumped into the bloodstream, where they are circulated throughout the body. As they circulate in the blood, their fatty components are distributed to all the tissues of the body. The lipoproteins get smaller and smaller, until there is little left of them. At this time they are picked up by the liver, broken apart, and used to produce energy
MCTs do not require bile salts for digestion and therefore, passively absorbed by the intestinal tract into the blood stream where they are used for energy
Rich sources of MCTs include palm kernel oil, coconut oil and camphor tree drupes."
part of my coconut oil quote

now an emulsion doesnt help anything we want it all dissolved in it would be great in salad dressing though. we put it in a carrier to lower polarity and increase efficiency..
thc has a logp of about 7
In practice optimum colonic is 1.32, intestinal is 1.35, oral 1.8, Cns 2, percutaneous at 2.6 and sublingual 5.5


rick is not unlike kitty..... i wouldnt follow either..read things that start with abstract
 
MrBoard

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qwizoking said:
lecithin.......
"In the pharmaceutical industry, it acts as a wetting, stabilizing agent and a choline enrichment carrier, helps in emulsifications and encapsulation, and is a good dispersing agent. It can be used in manufacture of intravenous fat infusions and for therapeutic use.

is an excellent emulsifier. In aqueous solution, its phospholipids can form either liposomes, bilayer sheets, micelles, or lamellar structures, depending on hydration and temperature."

sorry not in an explaining kind of mood today
heres why we use coconut
"....Now Medium-chain triglycerides (MCTs) are medium-chain (8 to 10 carbons)

In the digestive system MCTs are broken down into individual fatty acids (MCFA). Unlike other fatty acids, MCFA are absorbed directly from the intestines into the portal vein and sent straight to the liver where they are, for the most part, burned as fuel much like a carbohydrate. In this respect they act more like carbohydrates than like fats.

Other fats require pancreatic enzymes to break them into smaller units. They are then absorbed into the intestinal wall and packaged into bundles of fat (lipid) and protein called lipoproteins. These lipoproteins are carried by the lymphatic system, bypassing the liver, and then dumped into the bloodstream, where they are circulated throughout the body. As they circulate in the blood, their fatty components are distributed to all the tissues of the body. The lipoproteins get smaller and smaller, until there is little left of them. At this time they are picked up by the liver, broken apart, and used to produce energy
MCTs do not require bile salts for digestion and therefore, passively absorbed by the intestinal tract into the blood stream where they are used for energy
Rich sources of MCTs include palm kernel oil, coconut oil and camphor tree drupes."
part of my coconut oil quote

now an emulsion doesnt help anything we want it all dissolved in it would be great in salad dressing though. we put it in a carrier to lower polarity and increase efficiency..
thc has a logp of about 7
In practice optimum colonic is 1.32, intestinal is 1.35, oral 1.8, Cns 2, percutaneous at 2.6 and sublingual 5.5


rick is not unlike kitty..... i wouldnt follow either..read things that start with abstract
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OK... So let me know if I understand what you are saying... Is that the absorption of oil is much higher when administered sublingually?
So are you saying I should make coconut oil and then have the patient let the oil dissolve under their tongue?

I know that if you hold coconut oil in the mouth for too long, it will start extracting bacteria from the mouth... I do oil pulling daily... So maybe I will recommend that the patient does an oil pull with non medicated oil first, and then let the infused coconut oil dissolve under the tongue for a few minutes and swallow...?

Also... I am still having some difficulty understanding why I should avoid emulsification... I want to have the RSO dispersed as evenly as possible, so the coconut oil is the same potency across the board.

Are you saying that I don't need to worry about emulsifying, because the alkaloids will be absorbed into the carrier oil and it will already be spread evenly?

Or are you saying I should avoid emulsifying for some other reason?
 
qwizoking

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no we use a polar sugar alcohol-glycerin for use sublingually.
but yea i would go that route depending on type of cancer

an emulsion encapsulates..we dont want a suspension of cannabinoids. to make use of the coconut we want it dissolved in solution-not suspension.. it doesnt need to be dispersed evenly this is the definition of a solution -homogenous

no alkaloids
 
MrBoard

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qwizoking said:
no we use a polar sugar alcohol-glycerin for use sublingually.
but yea i would go that route depending on type of cancer

an emulsion encapsulates..we dont want a suspension of cannabinoids. to make use of the coconut we want it dissolved in solution-not suspension.. it doesnt need to be dispersed evenly this is the definition of a solution -homogenous

no alkaloids
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OK... So my main reason for not going to glycerin route to begin with... Would be because it is essentially sugar.... Sugar feeds candita, and over grown candita causes cancer... So it seemed counter productive to me... My patient is going to be almost entirely cutting sugar out of their diet.

As far as the emulsion... I think I understand a bit better... Maybe... Let me know if this is more accurate... Coconut oil and glycerin are being used as solvents. .. Hash oil will dissolve in the solvent and there should be no reason to use an emulsifier?
 
Fadedawg

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endpro said:
Why would you dilute your RSO, with coconut oil?
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We mix our Absolutes with unrefined coconut oil, as well as cinnamon and myrrh for several reasons, most already alluded to.

A sublingual is way faster than down the gullet, because it starts absorbing directly into the blood stream in your mouth. I get head effect from our 62% HS oil, within three or four minutes.

Straight hash oil isn't all that tasty, so adding other things make it more palatable, especially if those things also enhance the performance of the hash oil.

Besides the properties already eloquently discussed, tying up your liver processing fats, keeps it from processing the cannabinoids and removing them from your blood stream.

The addition of cinnamon bark and leaf oils also enhance the uptake by cleaning receptor sites and increasing blood flow.

I threw in the cinnamon candy flavoring oil to the mixture for no other reason that taste. The hash oil after taste still lingered and the candy oil takes it away.

While you can argue it is only a diluted 62% solution, but as it starts with a winterized Absolute, which is already 8 to 20% more potent than raw RSO oleoresin before mixing, it is not really apples and apples.

A standard 100 mg pain dose is only three drops sublingually, sooooo taking one more as required should be of little consequence.
 
Fadedawg

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MrBoard said:
OK... So my main reason for not going to glycerin route to begin with... Would be because it is essentially sugar.... Sugar feeds candita, and over grown candita causes cancer... So it seemed counter productive to me... My patient is going to be almost entirely cutting sugar out of their diet.

As far as the emulsion... I think I understand a bit better... Maybe... Let me know if this is more accurate... Coconut oil and glycerin are being used as solvents. .. Hash oil will dissolve in the solvent and there should be no reason to use an emulsifier?
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Hash oil will not readily dissolve in V glycerin, but will easily go into solution with Coconut oil, when heated .

We've emulsified up to 24 grams of Absolute into 39 grams of glycerin, using a CAT Scientific homogenizer, but unless there is a compelling reason to use VG, it is way easier blending using ethanol or an oil.
 
MrBoard

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Fadedawg said:
We mix our Absolutes with unrefined coconut oil, as well as cinnamon and myrrh for several reasons, most already alluded to.

A sublingual is way faster than down the gullet, because it starts absorbing directly into the blood stream in your mouth. I get head effect from our 62% HS oil, within three or four minutes.

Straight hash oil isn't all that tasty, so adding other things make it more palatable, especially if those things also enhance the performance of the hash oil.

Besides the properties already eloquently discussed, tying up your liver processing fats, keeps it from processing the cannabinoids and removing them from your blood stream.

The addition of cinnamon bark and leaf oils also enhance the uptake by cleaning receptor sites and increasing blood flow.

I threw in the cinnamon candy flavoring oil to the mixture for no other reason that taste. The hash oil after taste still lingered and the candy oil takes it away.

While you can argue it is only a diluted 62% solution, but as it starts with a winterized Absolute, which is already 8 to 20% more potent than raw RSO oleoresin before mixing, it is not really apples and apples.

A standard 100 mg pain dose is only three drops sublingually, sooooo taking one more as required should be of little consequence.
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Do you think you could tell me what ratios of winterized oil/cinnamon bark/leaf oils have worked well for you?
 
Grow Goddess

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MrBoard said:
Hello, I was curious if anyone had any experience with preparing or using coconut infused with rick simpson oil.
I have been reading about using lecithin to increase potency... I was wondering if anyone knew if this would affect work for use with a cancer patient?

Will RSO would disperse evenly on it's own in warmed up coconut oil?

What is the point of maximum saturation for grams of RSO to oz of coconut oil?

Thanks for your help
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I am not familiar with sunflower lecithin, but when it comes to cancer I treated both of my patients with straight RSO. I went through the treatment myself just to see what it was like. As of this month I have been taking maintenance doses every day for about 4 years. I personally don't recommend diluting RSO with anything unless you plan to vaporize it. If you want to add coconut oil just use it like butter on a bagel or toast. It is not mandatory to mix it with the oil. I could take a maintenance dose and three house later eat a bagel with coconut oil and 15 minutes later I feel extra buzzed. If a cancer patient is taking the oil properly, three doses per day, the oil should be in their system 24/7. You can eat your coconut oil separately, there is no need to mix them. If a cancer patient is going through the initial treatment and working their way up to one gram per day, they should be baked out of their mind 24/7. If they are not, there is something wrong. What would be wrong? More than likely the quality of the oil, but possibly any other medications they are taking. There are some medications, like anxiety meds that can counter the effects of the oil. If it was me treating cancer for myself, I would take the oil straight. Wipe the dose onto my tongue and try to swallow it. That takes a little practice! One of my cancer patients put it on a cracker and ate it that way. I prefer to just add coconut oil into my diet. There is something about the coconut oil, I wish I knew more details of why it seems to intensify the RSO.
I wish I could share the link to my story at cannabis.com, but their site is getting updates. Try to search My Experience with Rick Simpson Oil vs. Cancer or something like that.

The most important thing is the quality of the oil. Was it made from crap or was it made from premium bud? The next most important thing is that the patient follows the directions and takes three equal size doses per day. When they start to build up a tolerance, increase the dose size until they reach one gram per day. This is with oil made from high quality buds. If you want to make the oil stronger and better, then use better more potent buds. The more potent the buds, the better the oil.
 
Fadedawg

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MrBoard said:
Do you think you could tell me what ratios of winterized oil/cinnamon bark/leaf oils have worked well for you?
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From: http://skunkpharmresearch.com/holy-anointing-oil-and-holy-shit/

Holy Anointing Oil Oral:1 Part Cannabis Oil1/3 Parts virgin unrefined Coconut oil1/15th Part Cinnamon Leaf oil1/15th Part Cinnamon Bark oil1/30th Part liquid Gum MyrrhIE: 1/3 = .3 (.33333333333)1/15 = .07 (.066666666666)1/30 = .03 (.033333333333)Therefore:10 grams BHO Cannabis oil
3 grams Coconut oil
.7 grams Cinnamon Bark oil
.7 grams Cinnamon Leaf oil .
.3 grams Myrrh GumHoly Anointing Oil Topical:10 grams BHO Cannabis oil
8 grams Coconut oil
.7 grams Cinnamon Bark oil
.7 grams Cinnamon Leaf oil .
.7 grams Myrrh Gum1 grams Emu oil* Optional Arnica Montana and/or Jojoba oilHoly Shit:10 grams BHO Cannabis oil
3 grams Coconut oil
.7 grams Cinnamon Bark oil
.7 grams Cinnamon Leaf oil .
.3 grams Myrrh Gum
1 gram Cinnamon candy flavoring oilWe make these oils, by adding the other ingredients to the decarboxylated cannabis oil, while the oil is above 82C/180F, and stirring until well mixed. Bottle and use as is.For decarboxylation instructions, check out the tab on our home page, under that name.Bon appetite!​
 
Fadedawg

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MrBoard said:
Do you think you could tell me what ratios of winterized oil/cinnamon bark/leaf oils have worked well for you?
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From: http://skunkpharmresearch.com/holy-anointing-oil-and-holy-shit/

Holy Anointing Oil Oral:

1 Part Cannabis Oil
1/3 Parts virgin unrefined Coconut oil
1/15th Part Cinnamon Leaf oil
1/15th Part Cinnamon Bark oil
1/30th Part liquid Gum Myrrh

IE: 1/3 = .3 (.33333333333) 1/15 = .07 (.066666666666) 1/30 = .03 (.033333333333)

Therefore:
10 grams BHO Cannabis oil
3 grams Coconut oil
.7 grams Cinnamon Bark oil
.7 grams Cinnamon Leaf oil .
.3 grams Myrrh Gum

Holy Anointing Oil Topical:

10 grams BHO Cannabis oil
8 grams Coconut oil
.7 grams Cinnamon Bark oil
.7 grams Cinnamon Leaf oil .
.7 grams Myrrh Gum1 grams Emu oil* Optional Arnica Montana and/or Jojoba oil

Holy Shit:

10 grams BHO Cannabis oil
3 grams Coconut oil
.7 grams Cinnamon Bark oil
.7 grams Cinnamon Leaf oil .
.3 grams Myrrh Gum
1 gram Cinnamon candy flavoring oil

We make these oils, by adding the other ingredients to the decarboxylated cannabis oil, while the oil is above 82C/180F, and stirring until well mixed. Bottle and use as is. For decarboxylation instructions, check out the tab on our home page, under that name.

Bon appetite!

Unable to edit or delete above post. Would one of ya'll moderators please do it for me?
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MrBoard

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Grow Goddess said:
The patient has not yet begun the treatment... I am getting it prepared and they will start in a few days...

I used Cheese to make my RSO... It is a heavy indica with high thc, as recommended by Rick...
The oil turned out quite potent... I medicate daily w/ flowers and concentrates... I tried a dab of the finished RSO late in the day... Probably around 7-8PM... after medicating throughout the day... It has hard for me to catch a head change from any of the flowers or bubble hash... But just after 1 dab of cheese RSO... I felt an immediate headchange...

I will post some pictures in a few hours

Also I was thinking of maybe doing an experiment... Take 1 g of RSO and feed it to a patient throughout a day... And also the equivalent amount in infused coconut oil... Takin throughout the day... This way... I could maybe see if the infused coconut is any less effective potency wise..

Of course, this would only test the potency for getting stoned... Not necessarily curing cancer... I wish there was someone who had already successfully used infused coconut oil for curing cancer...

Or maybe glycerin would be better? I am still unsure... If you are telling me that you put RSO under your tongue... I have tried eating straight RSO before... And usually it just seems to get stuck to my teeth eventually... And just sit there for the rest of the day... There has to be a better way!

Like I was saying before... Glycerin would probably be the most effective sublingually... But sugar is bad for cancer...

Coconut oil seems like it would be mildly effective sublingually as well... But much easier to just eat... I want my patient to get the most out of their medicine!!!
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qwizoking

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...straight rso has extremely low flux rates
....once again
obviously it wont work if you just put rso under your tongue..which is nasty btw. imo of course

sugar wont make the cancer worse..which you still havent described
 
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