infrared police helicopters
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LUDACRIS
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sure do and i dont want to get banned 2 times like you already have.
how did you manage that
.LUDA.
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Yes insulation is inexpensive … but if someone is growing in a closet or a room of whatever size that is finished what are the odds they will strip the walls and install insulation between the studs and if they do will it be enough to fully stop all heat loss?
　
Maybe you figure they will first line the interior walls, over the drywall or whatever, and then build their grow room inside of that? Would that happen be what you are thinking?
　
My best friend is a third generation builder and many times we have talked about how homes in different eras were built with what was at the time considered to be that absolute thickest insulation that would ever be needed and that going beyond that would be a total waste of money. Then five or tens years later the same home was then considered by the present day standards to be very under-insulated.
　
Why do you think it is that home construction, of quality homes, went from 2X4 walls to 2X6 walls? Do you think it was for additional strength? Nope. It was because it was impossible to put enough insulation into a 2X4 wall to meet modern insulation standards. What percentage of homes today do you believe have 2X6 walls?
　
Did you know that some very high quality ultra efficient homes are built with either a 2X4 or 2X6 interior wall that is load bearing and then a second 2 X 4 outer wall that in no way touches the interior wall is built and it only carries the weight of the sheeting and outer insulation? Homes like that have over one foot thick insulation in the walls and there is almost no chance of heat radiation through connecting materials between the inner and out walls. Do you believe many growers live in homes like that?
　
What percentage of existing homes do you honestly believe are up to today’s standards of what is considered to be adequate insulation let alone over-insulated? How many years do you think will pass before those same homes are considered to be under-insulated?
　
The people who had my home built told me that they went way over budget and it was in part due to the massive amount of insulation they used. As I said not only are the 2X6 exterior walls fully insulated but also all interior 2X4 walls are fully insulated and also there is insulation between the two levels. When they told me that I half thought they were yanking my chain. While hanging a very heavy mirror I drilled a hole in an interior wall expecting to hit a stud and missed and when I pulled out the drill bit it was wrapped with pink fiberglass insulation so I began to believe what I had been told was true. About a year later the builder who built my home showed up at my door with a couple who were interested in having a home of the same design built and the builder asked if I minded letting them come in and look it over and see if they liked it as it is or if for their they would want to make any changes. While he told them about the construction he said that the price he quoted them did not include the additional insulation that was used in the construction of my home. By today’s standards my home is now considered to only be adequately insulated and not over-insulated as it was in the past. See how things change as time passes?
　
If industry standards consider a certain amount of insulation to be sub-standard/under-insulated so it is inadequate to keep heat in and cold out do you really believe that the infrared detection equipment that you are so familiar with is incapable of sensing/spotting any difference in heat in a home?
　
How about windows? If someone has a window in the room their grow area is in unless they fully and massively insulate around the area they grow in the entire room will still accumulate heat and it will exit through windows, unless of course they totally seal and block and insulate the window itself. Now if someone has triple-pane low-e windows with storm windows too there will be a minimal loss but it will still be more then will escape through windows say in bedrooms and living rooms and dining rooms etc. That alone can be a red flag.
　
Sure you know something about infrared equipment because you used to be a fireman but remember I had a neighbor whose job it was to do the very scanning we are discussing and he often talked about his job and how they found people growing so it is not as if I do not know a little bit about it myself.
　
Just out of curiosity, how many years ago were you a fireman? Is it possible that there may have been any technological advancements in equipment since you dealt with infrared equipment? I am sure that fire departments have the very best equipment that their budgets allow them to have but are they able to upgrade each and every time something new and better comes out? Might LEO possibly invest heavier in new higher tech equipment for such uses as scanning homes for heat signatures?
　
Not that it definitely applies in this case recently I read about a new thermal sighting system the military has, and according to the article I read it should either be about to be used or already is in use in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is so sensitive that regardless of it being the hottest day it is capable of spotting a human heat signature through a thick concrete or stone wall so they can then be targeted.
　
How safe do you believe growers will be if and when that technology is used by LEO? An extreme amount of insulation would be needed to hide from that technology.
C3 Anti Detection Products
C3 Anti Detection Mylar Foil
1.25 m x 100 m Rolls / 95% Light Reflective / 90% Heat Reflective
Originally used by the military as a defence against Infrared sensor devices, its now being used in the horticultural industry as a reflective film.
Why use C3 Anti-Detection Foil?
When ADF is not used, heat from the lights is absorbed by all objects, including the walls in the room. ADF reflects 90% of the heat so that most of the heat goes out your exhaust fan, thereby reducing the temperature.
- Reflects 95% of light!
Bigger yield and more efficient energy consumption. 20% more light reflective than plastic white film.
-Durable and easy to work with!
-Does not go clear upon contact with liquid!
One thing I did not yet mention but should is that to purchase C-3 anti-detection film you will have to find an online store outside of the U.S. It works so well at hiding heat signatures that it can no longer be sold in the U.S.
　
I can only assume the reason for that is because it works so amazingly well that it greatly hindered any detection at all when and where it was used.
　
I don’t know about you but I bet a bunch of growers would sleep better at night knowing they had that level of infrared imaging protection.
LUDACRIS
New Member
doc111
Well-Known Member
Mylar accomplishes the same thing. That's because it is mylar! You've been sold snake oil my friend. I just wanted to add that glass blocks almost 100% of IR.Yes insulation is inexpensive … but if someone is growing in a closet or a room of whatever size that is finished what are the odds they will strip the walls and install insulation between the studs and if they do will it be enough to fully stop all heat loss?
　
Maybe you figure they will first line the interior walls, over the drywall or whatever, and then build their grow room inside of that? Would that happen be what you are thinking?
　
My best friend is a third generation builder and many times we have talked about how homes in different eras were built with what was at the time considered to be that absolute thickest insulation that would ever be needed and that going beyond that would be a total waste of money. Then five or tens years later the same home was then considered by the present day standards to be very under-insulated.
　
Why do you think it is that home construction, of quality homes, went from 2X4 walls to 2X6 walls? Do you think it was for additional strength? Nope. It was because it was impossible to put enough insulation into a 2X4 wall to meet modern insulation standards. What percentage of homes today do you believe have 2X6 walls?
　
Did you know that some very high quality ultra efficient homes are built with either a 2X4 or 2X6 interior wall that is load bearing and then a second 2 X 4 outer wall that in no way touches the interior wall is built and it only carries the weight of the sheeting and outer insulation? Homes like that have over one foot thick insulation in the walls and there is almost no chance of heat radiation through connecting materials between the inner and out walls. Do you believe many growers live in homes like that?
　
What percentage of existing homes do you honestly believe are up to today’s standards of what is considered to be adequate insulation let alone over-insulated? How many years do you think will pass before those same homes are considered to be under-insulated?
　
The people who had my home built told me that they went way over budget and it was in part due to the massive amount of insulation they used. As I said not only are the 2X6 exterior walls fully insulated but also all interior 2X4 walls are fully insulated and also there is insulation between the two levels. When they told me that I half thought they were yanking my chain. While hanging a very heavy mirror I drilled a hole in an interior wall expecting to hit a stud and missed and when I pulled out the drill bit it was wrapped with pink fiberglass insulation so I began to believe what I had been told was true. About a year later the builder who built my home showed up at my door with a couple who were interested in having a home of the same design built and the builder asked if I minded letting them come in and look it over and see if they liked it as it is or if for their they would want to make any changes. While he told them about the construction he said that the price he quoted them did not include the additional insulation that was used in the construction of my home. By today’s standards my home is now considered to only be adequately insulated and not over-insulated as it was in the past. See how things change as time passes?
　
If industry standards consider a certain amount of insulation to be sub-standard/under-insulated so it is inadequate to keep heat in and cold out do you really believe that the infrared detection equipment that you are so familiar with is incapable of sensing/spotting any difference in heat in a home?
　
How about windows? If someone has a window in the room their grow area is in unless they fully and massively insulate around the area they grow in the entire room will still accumulate heat and it will exit through windows, unless of course they totally seal and block and insulate the window itself. Now if someone has triple-pane low-e windows with storm windows too there will be a minimal loss but it will still be more then will escape through windows say in bedrooms and living rooms and dining rooms etc. That alone can be a red flag.
　
Sure you know something about infrared equipment because you used to be a fireman but remember I had a neighbor whose job it was to do the very scanning we are discussing and he often talked about his job and how they found people growing so it is not as if I do not know a little bit about it myself.
　
Just out of curiosity, how many years ago were you a fireman? Is it possible that there may have been any technological advancements in equipment since you dealt with infrared equipment? I am sure that fire departments have the very best equipment that their budgets allow them to have but are they able to upgrade each and every time something new and better comes out? Might LEO possibly invest heavier in new higher tech equipment for such uses as scanning homes for heat signatures?
　
Not that it definitely applies in this case recently I read about a new thermal sighting system the military has, and according to the article I read it should either be about to be used or already is in use in Iraq and Afghanistan. It is so sensitive that regardless of it being the hottest day it is capable of spotting a human heat signature through a thick concrete or stone wall so they can then be targeted.
　
How safe do you believe growers will be if and when that technology is used by LEO? An extreme amount of insulation would be needed to hide from that technology.
C3 Anti Detection Products
C3 Anti Detection Mylar Foil
1.25 m x 100 m Rolls / 95% Light Reflective / 90% Heat Reflective
Originally used by the military as a defence against Infrared sensor devices, its now being used in the horticultural industry as a reflective film.
Why use C3 Anti-Detection Foil?
When ADF is not used, heat from the lights is absorbed by all objects, including the walls in the room. ADF reflects 90% of the heat so that most of the heat goes out your exhaust fan, thereby reducing the temperature.
- Reflects 95% of light!
Bigger yield and more efficient energy consumption. 20% more light reflective than plastic white film.
-Durable and easy to work with!
-Does not go clear upon contact with liquid!
One thing I did not yet mention but should is that to purchase C-3 anti-detection film you will have to find an online store outside of the U.S. It works so well at hiding heat signatures that it can no longer be sold in the U.S.
　
I can only assume the reason for that is because it works so amazingly well that it greatly hindered any detection at all when and where it was used.
　
I don’t know about you but I bet a bunch of growers would sleep better at night knowing they had that level of infrared imaging protection.
Brick Top
New Member
I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
　
I will still have to believe I am correct about the amount of infrared protection C-3 anti-detection film gives since the military used it to block infrared scanning/imaging and also because it is no longer allowed to be sold in the U.S. because of how effective it is at hiding heat from infrared scans.
　
But in this case I will play Burger King and let you have it your way.
　
Its been fun I hope we can do it again one day!
Oh ....one last thing .. about what you said about glass .. that depends on the type and quality of the glass and the type and quality of the glazing it has and if any additional materials or films are used.
Not all glass is created equal and that is why I said if someone has triple-pane low-e glass plus storm windows they will be less detectable than someone with old single pane windows or even an older double-pane window that is not low-e.
　
Again .. its been fun! Take care, happy growing stay safe (especially from those infrared scans!
)
Geozander
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This is meant to be an over 18 site you all need to grow up and get a grip. And allow the site to be used for its purpose. And the reality of the situation is this. Robin aint in the jail, he aint been lifted, so no cunt has grassed on anyone. But the idiot that is posting real names, now that to me is grassing or as good as.
FLIR cameras can't be used for anything against you, they can just give a cop a "hunch", and a hunch isn't enough for a warrant..
the only way a cop is going into your home is if someone narcs on you on the record (by means of a sworn statement), if they see the grow, if they think there's some sort of emergency in the grow, or any probable cause....
the easiest way to NOT get caught is not letting anyone but yourself see your grow....
if NO ONE ever sees your plants but you, it's practically impossible for cops to catch you, unless someone narcs on you, which would absolutely suck....
the safest way to keep yourself safe is to keep the amount of ppl that know about what you do to a minimum. dnt tell anyone that doesn't need to know: you're a slave to what you say, and free of what you don't.......
the only way a cop is going into your home is if someone narcs on you on the record (by means of a sworn statement), if they see the grow, if they think there's some sort of emergency in the grow, or any probable cause....
the easiest way to NOT get caught is not letting anyone but yourself see your grow....
if NO ONE ever sees your plants but you, it's practically impossible for cops to catch you, unless someone narcs on you, which would absolutely suck....
the safest way to keep yourself safe is to keep the amount of ppl that know about what you do to a minimum. dnt tell anyone that doesn't need to know: you're a slave to what you say, and free of what you don't.......
Stoney McFried
Well-Known Member
Sportbilly has now spammed up about 30 threads with this shit.
Geozander
Well-Known Member
very true mate. But how hard is it to set up a new account? Sport billy has just joined after robin was banned. Think about it mate.
Stoney McFried
Well-Known Member
He's had several accounts devoted to doing this.I reported a few of them.I got a mod from chat to get on it.
Geozander
Well-Known Member
All this bull stems from a thread last week about germinating seeds. And the thing is, i was quite cocky about my methods. Robin wasnt happy and branded Luda a know it all. Now if you throw the dummy out your pram everytime someone disagrees with you. You should not be on a site like this in the first place. Everyone involved will be getting us scottish growers a bad name.