indoor lighting....

so my question is... if you can cool it can a 1000W be used for a 3x3 area and still reach a gram per watt.


im thinking of a 4000 watt 6x6

when does light bleaching occur in cool temps?
 

decrim68

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so my question is... if you can cool it can a 1000W be used for a 3x3 area and still reach a gram per watt.
That whole gram per watt thing is one of the biggest loads of crap I have ever heard of. Where did this come from? Hydro shop owners/employees or equipment manufacturers would be my guess. It sure didnt come from experienced growers.

I have been growing for roughly 20 years and routinely pull 3 1/2- to 5 ounces per plant in soil. From clones. Dry weight. Using a single 400 watt HPS in a 3 foot by 3 foot area. And I am not vegging for months. My clones are cut, put in my cloner for 7-10 days and then vegged under a 400w Metal Halide for 15-20 days and then into flowering. Under a 400w HPS.

You do the math. 8 plants in a 3x3 area under a 400w HPS. 1000 grams dry weight harvest every time.
 
That whole gram per watt thing is one of the biggest loads of crap I have ever heard of. Where did this come from? Hydro shop owners/employees or equipment manufacturers would be my guess. It sure didnt come from experienced growers.

I have been growing for roughly 20 years and routinely pull 3 1/2- to 5 ounces per plant in soil. From clones. Dry weight. Using a single 400 watt HPS in a 3 foot by 3 foot area. And I am not vegging for months. My clones are cut, put in my cloner for 7-10 days and then vegged under a 400w Metal Halide for 15-20 days and then into flowering. Under a 400w HPS.

You do the math. 8 plants in a 3x3 area under a 400w HPS. 1000 grams dry weight harvest every time.

so why do you feel you pull over two pounds soil when most set ups that seem pretty dialed in and have supplemental co2 400 watt system do not?
 

decrim68

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so why do you feel you pull over two pounds soil when most set ups that seem pretty dialed in and have supplemental co2 400 watt system do not?
20 years of trial and error I guess. That and I aint cheap, I dont cut corners and I dont over complicate things.

Or maybe these folks are not as dialed in as they seem.

I really dont know.
 

decrim68

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does anyone here have experience with 1000 watt in low area?
How low? My primary flowering area is 8' by 6' and my lights are suspended 5 feet above the floor of that area. That is a 1000w dead in the middle and the 2 400s on each end of the 8 foot length. And my yield per plant is no different here in my primary flowering room than they are in my 400w 3' x 3' secondary flowering area.
 
How low? My primary flowering area is 8' by 6' and my lights are suspended 5 feet above the floor of that area. That is a 1000w dead in the middle and the 2 400s on each end of the 8 foot length. And my yield per plant is no different here in my primary flowering room than they are in my 400w 3' x 3' secondary flowering area.
well right now i do 2000 watt 3x5. hydro dwc bubble buckets with a 20 gal resivor with the complete house and garden line and i have more automated temp control devices than i can count. so i know its not a bad environment for them. how are you obtaining over 2 grams per watt and how can i do it? your not doing a vertical grow are you? how close can your plants get without burning
 
How low? My primary flowering area is 8' by 6' and my lights are suspended 5 feet above the floor of that area. That is a 1000w dead in the middle and the 2 400s on each end of the 8 foot length. And my yield per plant is no different here in my primary flowering room than they are in my 400w 3' x 3' secondary flowering area.
i want to do a 6x6 4000 watts. im medical so i have to grow low plant numbers vegged a little longer.
 

decrim68

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how are you obtaining over 2 grams per watt and how can i do it? your not doing a vertical grow are you? how close can your plants get without burning
I am doing nothing special. No advanced pruning or anything like that. I may top depending on the strain and I always "lollipop" my plants. Only the first 5 to 6 inches up the stalk though.

I use quality soil, lights, nutes, etc and I tend to them 3-4 hours a day. I am semi-retired (yeah you can say it, I am an old guy) so I have the time to do so.

Now I do use "passive" CO2. Meaning my flowering areas are in the same room as my furnace and hot water heater. Both of which use natural gas. CO2 is a natural by-product of burning natural gas. I have never taken any CO2 readings so I really dont know how much CO2 is being emitted in there.

Maybe that is my secret. I never really put much thought into it other than, "whatever CO2 is coming off the furnace and water heater can only be a good thing. Lets put the flowering room in there with them". That was 12 years ago.

Also, it is only a few strains that I get that type of yield from. Skunk #1, Afghani #1, and Chronic to name a couple. Mainly your heavy to pure indica strains.

There are plenty of other strains that I dont see that kind of yield from. Some of it is genetics and some of it is simply my method of growing and that strain just plain dont get along very well.

I wish I had some kind of magic wand answer for you but I dont. And no I am not doing a vertical grow. Straight soil with overhead lights.

Everyones set up and environmental aspects are different so that will effect how close you can get your light to your plants.

The way I have my 1000 watt set up, it is in a fixed position 5-1/2 feet above the floor of my flowering area. I do not raise or lower it ever. I just place the plants in and let them grow to the light. I use the following reflector: High Tech Garden Supply

The walls of my flowering area are not permanent walls. They are 4 feet tall sections of blueboard insulation that are covered with mylar and can easily be moved out of the way so I can get in and work with the plants. I velcro the 4 corners where the blueboard sections come together when not working with the plants to prevent light escaping from the "flowering area". The floor is painted white. The top is open except for the light fixtures. So you see, I have flowering "areas" inside a much bigger room. Works great for naturally controlling heat and for ventilation.

Sorry if I babbled on more than you ever wanted.... but you know how it is after taking a couple hits.
 

decrim68

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One thing I did leave out is that most of the strains that I get high yields from are strains that I have worked with for years. I KNOW these strains and what makes them happy. I rarely have great yields the first time I work with a new strain. Truly KNOWING your strain is one important aspect people overlook. Your not going to max out a strains potential in just one or two grows.
 
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