Inda-gro Induction...
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UrbanPharmer
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hey there Chaz -=o) thank you, as always, and you're welcome as well
i'm digging the 13/11 quite a lot, actually.
the situation in the current tent isn't directly comparable to the previous run, tho... aside from being 13/11 this run, i'm using different genetics, a few different nutes in the mix, and 2 stationary 420 combos instead of just one on a mover...
the plants are much larger in this run, but that's going to be a given with the 2x light... also, i am seeing reasons in the lower bud development why i should have still used the mover, even if it only put a foot of travel to the lights, i should have used it...
as for the extra hour per day, i don't have a control on 12/12 to compare to, but i know that on 12/12 the plant would be seeing essentially 12/14, and Nov 3/4. is the night in the season closest to 14 hours long. Oct. 14 is closest to 13 hour nights, and Sept 25 is closest to 12 hour nights. so, i figure that the 13/11 is basically giving the plants the idea that it's near the middle of October, but they're getting 13 hours of light instead of 11...
i'm digging the 13/11 quite a lot, actually.
the situation in the current tent isn't directly comparable to the previous run, tho... aside from being 13/11 this run, i'm using different genetics, a few different nutes in the mix, and 2 stationary 420 combos instead of just one on a mover...
the plants are much larger in this run, but that's going to be a given with the 2x light... also, i am seeing reasons in the lower bud development why i should have still used the mover, even if it only put a foot of travel to the lights, i should have used it...
as for the extra hour per day, i don't have a control on 12/12 to compare to, but i know that on 12/12 the plant would be seeing essentially 12/14, and Nov 3/4. is the night in the season closest to 14 hours long. Oct. 14 is closest to 13 hour nights, and Sept 25 is closest to 12 hour nights. so, i figure that the 13/11 is basically giving the plants the idea that it's near the middle of October, but they're getting 13 hours of light instead of 11...
chazbolin
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I thought you might benefit from that schedule. A control would have been nice but we'll see a finish that should make it somewhat apparent how the plants dealt with that extra hour.
On another note it appears there is demand for the UV sterilizers and the submersible lamps for aquaculture. So IG is going to start producing these as a system. Here is a shot of the systems that they're building for growing haemtococcus pluvialis algae (HP for short). The dimming is used to drop the output down to 50% during the first 45 days and raise the output to 100% at the last two weeks before harvest. HP is an amazing algae that can lay dormant for 40 years but when reexposed to UV radiation spring back to life. It is this specific strain of algae that contains astraxanthin which is the most potent anti-oxidant we know of. Controlled environmental cultivation of HP can enhance potency and decrease harvest times. very cool indeed.
As always thanks for the updates and stay safe!
On another note it appears there is demand for the UV sterilizers and the submersible lamps for aquaculture. So IG is going to start producing these as a system. Here is a shot of the systems that they're building for growing haemtococcus pluvialis algae (HP for short). The dimming is used to drop the output down to 50% during the first 45 days and raise the output to 100% at the last two weeks before harvest. HP is an amazing algae that can lay dormant for 40 years but when reexposed to UV radiation spring back to life. It is this specific strain of algae that contains astraxanthin which is the most potent anti-oxidant we know of. Controlled environmental cultivation of HP can enhance potency and decrease harvest times. very cool indeed.
As always thanks for the updates and stay safe!
Hey guys,
I'm happy to have found this thread. I've read about half of it. I'm sure I've missed a lot.
I have a few questions if someone wouldn't mind.
Am I right in assuming that sog is the best way to use these lights?
I know that greengene is here in this thread as well - and I'm curious how the 420-PAR-pontoon stack up against the AT600?
Do the 420-PAR-pontoon grow as good of quality as the best LED's do?
My flower room is 8' x 16' but I want to use 8' x 12'. The door is as you enter into the first 4' of unused space length wise - then the 8' x 12' area begins. How many of the 420-PAR-pontoon lights would I need to cover this area?
If I have this same area covered by 1000 W HID's, what quantity difference might there be - all other things being equal? In other words, if I would have yielded X grams with HID, what would you guess it would have been with the 420-PAR-pontoon's?
I think my three best choices for covering this area would be the IG 420-PAR-pontoon, A51 or Apache Tech. Just looking for any opinions to make this choice easier.
I'm happy to have found this thread. I've read about half of it. I'm sure I've missed a lot.
I have a few questions if someone wouldn't mind.
Am I right in assuming that sog is the best way to use these lights?
I know that greengene is here in this thread as well - and I'm curious how the 420-PAR-pontoon stack up against the AT600?
Do the 420-PAR-pontoon grow as good of quality as the best LED's do?
My flower room is 8' x 16' but I want to use 8' x 12'. The door is as you enter into the first 4' of unused space length wise - then the 8' x 12' area begins. How many of the 420-PAR-pontoon lights would I need to cover this area?
If I have this same area covered by 1000 W HID's, what quantity difference might there be - all other things being equal? In other words, if I would have yielded X grams with HID, what would you guess it would have been with the 420-PAR-pontoon's?
I think my three best choices for covering this area would be the IG 420-PAR-pontoon, A51 or Apache Tech. Just looking for any opinions to make this choice easier.
chazbolin
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Hiya Don and welcome. I have not done an AT or A51 run to compare the differences in plant response. Others on here such as GG has experience with both the IG and the AT so he would be best equipped to discuss those differences. I think GG is best equipped to discuss the differences he's seen in plant response since he owns both lights. Perhaps after he's done with the AT660 vs the 1000 watt HPS run he would consider doing a side by side with both lights since I'm confident his analysis would be fair and impartial and let plant response speak for itself.
In terms of cost the AT will set you back a bit more. Area coverage is about the same and I believe like the 420 the AT panels can take universal voltage supplies between 100 and 300 volts AC.
The AT draws 685 watts compared to the 420/Pontoon you'll draw 460 watts at the plug. The Pontoon does something different than the AT or any other panel I've seen in that it runs 730nm diodes at lights out. This is an important feature in creating an atmosphere indoors where the plants will convert into flowering instantly at lights out instead of the normal 2 hour window that it requires them to relax into that state when the lights are simply turned off. The 420/Pontoon is passively cooled whereas the AT uses fans. The 420/Pontoon weighs in at 15# compared to the AT660 at 62#.
In terms of cost the AT will set you back a bit more. Area coverage is about the same and I believe like the 420 the AT panels can take universal voltage supplies between 100 and 300 volts AC.
The AT draws 685 watts compared to the 420/Pontoon you'll draw 460 watts at the plug. The Pontoon does something different than the AT or any other panel I've seen in that it runs 730nm diodes at lights out. This is an important feature in creating an atmosphere indoors where the plants will convert into flowering instantly at lights out instead of the normal 2 hour window that it requires them to relax into that state when the lights are simply turned off. The 420/Pontoon is passively cooled whereas the AT uses fans. The 420/Pontoon weighs in at 15# compared to the AT660 at 62#.
SCARHOLE
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Pic day
The Akryder is chopped and drying
Riots swing kid haze autos 7th week
Ill let em go to 9weeks probably
Should have put 1 per pot an made em bigger, but space didn't allow for it.
Trics
Baby Drgt C99 haze auto s
Big one i over watered an is sad.
And the lowers getting STS reversal.
Little ones are really happy even though they were transplanted young..
NH21/Mullimbimby Maddness long
Id go indagro over Apache.
Wait, i did
My nycd haze auto a few pages back was nominated bud of the month @ auto flower network forum.
Indagro definitely competes with led and hid.
The Akryder is chopped and drying
Riots swing kid haze autos 7th week
Ill let em go to 9weeks probably
Should have put 1 per pot an made em bigger, but space didn't allow for it.
Trics
Baby Drgt C99 haze auto s
Big one i over watered an is sad.
And the lowers getting STS reversal.
Little ones are really happy even though they were transplanted young..
NH21/Mullimbimby Maddness long
Id go indagro over Apache.
Wait, i did
My nycd haze auto a few pages back was nominated bud of the month @ auto flower network forum.
Indagro definitely competes with led and hid.
Thanks Chazbolin,
Been following GG for a bit. Some amazing grows.
I'd love to know how this stacks up. Either way, it is doable.
And I read a lot of good things from EH of Area51. So I believe these are the 3 to choose between.
The pontoons looks amazing. I love the light weight. Where i live, that will save a lot. But if investing this much, a little more would be fine if it is a significant difference.
How many of the 420/pontoon's think I'd need for 8' x 12' space?
Hey Scarhole - if it's not to redundant to ask, would you mind telling me why you chose indagro over apache? Or point me to a post where you went over it?
What kind of real world results to you get quality/weight wise when compared to a 1000 W HPS? Are we there yet, Or still not quite?
Nice looking buds, by the way.
One other thing - we lose power here occasionally. Couple of times a month at least. So if we had a power outage and I had the Indagrow with pontoons, and the pontoons lights kicked on a few minutes after the power went off, would it screw things up?
The light is usually off for about five minutes. But it can go off for up to a half an hour or more. So I'm just curious about what you think.
I will most likely get a large power system that would be able to kick in for up to 30 minutes or more. But until then...
What kind of real world results to you get quality/weight wise when compared to a 1000 W HPS? Are we there yet, Or still not quite?
Nice looking buds, by the way.
One other thing - we lose power here occasionally. Couple of times a month at least. So if we had a power outage and I had the Indagrow with pontoons, and the pontoons lights kicked on a few minutes after the power went off, would it screw things up?
The light is usually off for about five minutes. But it can go off for up to a half an hour or more. So I'm just curious about what you think.
I will most likely get a large power system that would be able to kick in for up to 30 minutes or more. But until then...
SCARHOLE
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I think 400 w induction flouro is equal to about 600-400 hid imho.
Had friends who had indagro put a smackdown on the 600 hps with kosher kush even though hps gets 1 /5 more lumen per watt (95 vs 120)
Never ran 1000w, to much heat. Ac an sealed hood set get expensive
I decided aginst Led mainly because i like induction longevity an spectra better
100,000 hr bulb ljfe (20yrs 12/12) and 10 year warranty sold me....
Power outage making the pontoon light up would be no issue, The flower inducing chems (pfr) would Idissapear when lights return. But lights comming on in the dark is a bigger issue.
Had friends who had indagro put a smackdown on the 600 hps with kosher kush even though hps gets 1 /5 more lumen per watt (95 vs 120)
Never ran 1000w, to much heat. Ac an sealed hood set get expensive
I decided aginst Led mainly because i like induction longevity an spectra better
100,000 hr bulb ljfe (20yrs 12/12) and 10 year warranty sold me....
Power outage making the pontoon light up would be no issue, The flower inducing chems (pfr) would Idissapear when lights return. But lights comming on in the dark is a bigger issue.
Thanks. All good points.
HID is far too hot for me as well.
My timers are on battery backup. So there would be no lights coming on when they aren't supposed to. Good to know that the pontoons coming on would not be an issue.
In my situation, I have to use cooling. And I have enough for LED or induction without problem.
So much to consider. There is only so much space. Though, I have half a mind to build a new room. Even then, a bigger room equals more cooling, more CO2 etc.
Hopefully GG will weigh in with his thoughts on this issue as well.
hyroot
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you can't use digital timers with induction and led. The battery in the timer keeps them on but dim when they are supposed to be off. Use only analog timers. Gg ran the apache several times. He only ran the inda gro once in flower with 1 gal pots and once with 3 gals. Finished them under the apache. So he may not be able to compare. It even takes 3 or 4 rounds to learn a strain let alone the learning curve with different tech.
I myself am halfway through my second run with inda gro and in my first run with area 51. The only negative I don't like about apache is the weight of the panel.. I've had big ass drum machines, mixing boards and synths that way less than half of the apache. Otherwise its a great light. With co2 keep in mind you have to increase o2 levels as well. Outside co2 makes up less than 1% of air (400 ppm's) and o2 is over 20% of air (200,000 ppm's). Think about those ratios. Nitrogen makes up 70%
chazbolin
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With the 420 in veg you can push a 5 x 5 area coverage with no problems. Therefore your 8 x 12 could get by with 4 lights. If this is where your also planning on flowering I would plan on having each light cover a 4 x 4 area and you'll want a total of 6 lights. If the budget is tight and you can't afford the pontoons just get a crop or two under your belt without them. If you just add a 2 -4 pontoons you'll appreciate the difference until you can outfit them all with pontoons.
Greengenes707
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What's up gentlemen
so for a 8x12 I would use 6-8 IG's. If you have all pontoons you could do 6 with out I would run 8. Or you could do a pontoon every other or something.
Like hyroot said I only did one run with the IG and it definitely could have been better. As you know I have been playing AT and am on my second run with it now. Next run after this test will be back to normal growing and the IG will be apart of that. So I don't have the strongest sense of what the IG could really do comparatively. My IG grow is in the "tags high efficiency lighting garden" thread...or YouTube too. Some of the happiest plants are under the IG though...plant response is definitely there and I need to get it into the rotation to show what it can do...but hyroot has been doing great IMO.
6 AT600R2's for the 8x12. Perfect fit.
or
24 a51's...doesn't matter between 150 and 190...I would go sgs150's myself for them.
so for a 8x12 I would use 6-8 IG's. If you have all pontoons you could do 6 with out I would run 8. Or you could do a pontoon every other or something.
Like hyroot said I only did one run with the IG and it definitely could have been better. As you know I have been playing AT and am on my second run with it now. Next run after this test will be back to normal growing and the IG will be apart of that. So I don't have the strongest sense of what the IG could really do comparatively. My IG grow is in the "tags high efficiency lighting garden" thread...or YouTube too. Some of the happiest plants are under the IG though...plant response is definitely there and I need to get it into the rotation to show what it can do...but hyroot has been doing great IMO.
6 AT600R2's for the 8x12. Perfect fit.
or
24 a51's...doesn't matter between 150 and 190...I would go sgs150's myself for them.
Thanks GG. Really appreciate your thoughts.
Glad to hear the plants are happy under IG.
Hyroot - would 6 IG's all with pontoons cover the area well, in your opinion?
I am very interested in the trichome production as a lot of what I produce will be turned into oil. Is that as good with the IG as LED?
There is so much to like with both the IG and AT.
Glad to hear the plants are happy under IG.
Hyroot - would 6 IG's all with pontoons cover the area well, in your opinion?
I am very interested in the trichome production as a lot of what I produce will be turned into oil. Is that as good with the IG as LED?
There is so much to like with both the IG and AT.
hyroot
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with pontoons 6 would be fine. Trichome production. I think IG would produce more given it has uv-a and uv-b which no led has. Its able to produce emmerson effect. More so with pontoons. Led can do that too. The 730 pfr leds at lights out are great. Alot of led growers and CMH growers are doing DIY 730 led or buying flood lights and running on a separate timer .. To do the same thing. I got rock hard buds with IG I had many setbacks. And this time too. That's because I changed up my nute regiment. Went vegan organic. I'm doing brand new strains the following batch.
Yodaweed
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Wrong, my LED has UV-B http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-2014-426w-FSF-Lighthouse-Hydro-ION-8-LED-Grow-light-Flower-Cree-UVB-L032-/310830320755 speak for your LEDs.
flaxseedoil1000
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Curious, I am using digital timers, at lights out the pontoon comes on.
Sure looks like the 420 is off to me.
Now I gotta double check tonight.
natro.hydro
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Pretty sure he was referring to the 660s staying on a lil with digi timers, cant hurt to look tho
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