Inda-gro Induction...

AltarNation said:

Nice man, those are amazing looking... but I really want to see flowering evidence. You're right in the sense that it does seem to have good penetration... wondering if that light is in it's permanent position or if he has it lower when it's closed up...

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[video=youtube;Rg-pAKxiwjE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg-pAKxiwjE[/video]

Hey NWO, thanks for the link. Very interesting. My footprint is a bit smaller so I could probably run it a little tighter and benefit significantly... hm. Certainly tempting to get one of these down the line. I have never used HID and would rather not have to run more than one blower so this is really tempting. Not to mention I haven't used an A/C thus far and don't want to have to this summer.
I could probably combine this with my PAR T5's pretty easily since it can be a bit closer than an HID. The only thing keeping me away right now is pricetag... but with the warranty it's worthwhile when I can afford it... hmmm. Time to sell some stuff, haha.

AltarNation said:

Hey NWO, thanks for the link. Very interesting. My footprint is a bit smaller so I could probably run it a little tighter and benefit significantly... hm. Certainly tempting to get one of these down the line. I have never used HID and would rather not have to run more than one blower so this is really tempting. Not to mention I haven't used an A/C thus far and don't want to have to this summer.
I could probably combine this with my PAR T5's pretty easily since it can be a bit closer than an HID. The only thing keeping me away right now is pricetag... but with the warranty it's worthwhile when I can afford it... hmmm. Time to sell some stuff, haha.

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No probs mate, I'm not advocating their effectiveness but the video say a lot. Bare in mnd this experiment was with the inda gro at 24 inches above canopy and only drawing 420W vs the 1000W. That was pretty encouraging stuff. I have the old 400 and it is good but not as good as the 420 it seems nor is it anywhere near a 1000.

newworldicon said:

No probs mate, I'm not advocating their effectiveness but the video say a lot. Bare in mnd this experiment was with the inda gro at 24 inches above canopy and only drawing 420W vs the 1000W. That was pretty encouraging stuff. I have the old 400 and it is good but not as good as the 420 it seems nor is it anywhere near a 1000.

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Yeah, I figure'd I would get it a bit closer for sure... I am picturing it as a "cap" above two side-hung vertical T5 units. And these results looked good, especially considering the wattage difference! What's the difference between the 400 and 420? Must be more than just the 20 watts eh? haha

AltarNation said:

Yeah, I figure'd I would get it a bit closer for sure... I am picturing it as a "cap" above two side-hung vertical T5 units. And these results looked good, especially considering the wattage difference! What's the difference between the 400 and 420? Must be more than just the 20 watts eh? haha

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I think its a fuller light spectrum, the watts are up and the overall packaging of the unit looks much better, but I'm sure they can nail that one for you. Mine is heavy to say the least. If you go onto youtube to watch that video then look for the other vids that are suggested it will show you many vids of comparison grows between 2x420's on light movers vs. 2x1000HPS on light movers, the results look good but I suppose it's up to each individual to decide validility themselves.

I intend getting 2x420's with my 550W pro grow in the middle for my 8x4 which will replace 2x600hps in cooled reflector hoods, the old 400 inda can go into the veg room.

Yeah, i dunno but every video i've seen about these indagrows are from people selling them.......kinda weary about dropping that kind of $$$$$ on repackaged EFDL...

newworldicon said:

I think its a fuller light spectrum, the watts are up and the overall packaging of the unit looks much better, but I'm sure they can nail that one for you. Mine is heavy to say the least. If you go onto youtube to watch that video then look for the other vids that are suggested it will show you many vids of comparison grows between 2x420's on light movers vs. 2x1000HPS on light movers, the results look good but I suppose it's up to each individual to decide validility themselves.

I intend getting 2x420's with my 550W pro grow in the middle for my 8x4 which will replace 2x600hps in cooled reflector hoods, the old 400 inda can go into the veg room.

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Just wondering if you ever got the 420's and how did they compare to the 400's for you?

Clones seem to be rooting nicely in a week under this 100 watter @ 500 umoles. Not a bad side light either from the looks of it.

[video=youtube;7Vh_8sdpNiQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vh_8sdpNiQ&feature=channel[/video]

Just wanted to pitch my $0.02... i was donated a couple inducted fluorescent lamps made by Full Spectrum Solutions a couple months ago, for my grow. i was given a 200w and a 400w. i compared the 200w in cloning and veg vs a sunblaze 48 with all blue tubes, which is over twice the wattage... the sunblaze lost miserably.. i had the 400w in the tent next to a 600w hps, for comparison sake. the plants under the 400w exploded into bloom a good week and a half before any of the plants under the hps. after 3.5 weeks, the 400w was pushing 5 inch colas out of it's plants, and the 600w hps was happy to see nuglings less than an inch tall forming on its plants. i was totally stoked, until a few days ago when i went into the tent to check on things and the 400w was off... apparently dead. the date of manufacture on it indicated 04-2012, so its literally one year old. the person that donated them to me never used them - they were brand new as i got them. I called Full Spectrum Solutions and left a message, 4 days ago.. no reply yet.

based on what i have seen with these lights in my own gardening (and considering that Full Spectrum Solutions lights are "commercial", not horticultural like inda-gro lamps) i KNOW that i want to stay away from HPS (you non-believers can take my share of those), and so i went ahead and ordered a pro-420-par and a pro-200-par from inda-gro. so far, in my experience with them, i am very happy. everytime i call, they answer. if i ask for their CEO, i get him on the phone. my order was shipped literally 2.5 hours after i placed it.

aside from all that, i'm 2 years deep in a horticultural/environmental studies major. i understand what Photosynthetically Active Radiation means, and because the phosphor doping in the tubes can be tailored to specific spectrum outputs, it is obvious that these lights will soon replace HID garden lighting.

also, watch this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfiI78uN3Ks your plants want UVB light too, and your HIDs lack there as well. inda-gro lamps have it.

here's my take on Inda-Gro... Darryl used to work for Full Spectrum, but from what I can gather, is cannabis friendly and wanted to make grow lights based on what he knew from working with them so long. they wanted a distance from indoor cultivation and so declined to take the direction he suggested to them. so he left and started his own company, selling the tech he was integral in developing there. i've seen tons of videos of Darryl talking in medical cannabis gardens, even showing his lights at the 2012 socal high times cannabis cup. he is all about embracing this cannabis movement, and thats what sets them apart from most of their industry-mates.

none the less, my fedex tracking shows that my lamps will be here on tuesday, but they made it from sandiego to oregon literally overnight, so we'll see. they might be here monday -=o) once i get it all up, i'll post pics here for you to check out.

also, heres some pre-existing pics and such that i have readily available to any that wanted to look:

[video=youtube;tyh8-ZuThuU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyh8-ZuThuU[/video]
my tent with the FSS 400w on a lightrail 3.5; 5 weeks veg


here's my purple durban poison, last week while the 400w was still up, she's like 3.5 weeks into bloom here.



and heres the same plant, 5 days later than the pics above, after the 400w took a crap and now the 200w is over it alone, until the inda-gro's get here. in the 3rd pic here, look to the upper right in the background.. thats a top of my pineapple kush (also a sativa hybrid) thats been under the 600w hps only, see that skimp ass lil bud there? compare to the ones on the PDP under only inducted fluorescent.


o, also, the 2 inda-gro lamps that are shipping now... fedex shows that the 2 of them in packaging weigh a total of 38lbs. i weighed the 400w FSS lamp before putting it on the lightrail.. 45 lbs alone, and with the glass lens taken out. my expectation is that due to the high PAR output, and the light weight of the 420par, that flowering will not suffer when i put both the 420par and the 600w hps on the mover... i'll keep ya all posted.

Think iv'e seen enough now lol these bitches are crazy!!

Hey Splifferous great post. Keep us updated with how this grows for you.

One of the areas you touched upon was using a germicidal UV-C spectrum which I think would be last spectrum the wide spectrum grow lamp should emit. So I would guess if they're going to get into sterilisation using EFDL as a platform then it represents an entirely different lamp source. That doesn't make much sense there would be any benefit with EFDL for this short burst application. I know there are plenty of UV-C electrode type lamps that work on the principal of a short and precise dose of just UV-C that kills molds and pathogens without harming the plant. Of course this a very delicate treatment and not for the novice since improper usage can create significant health problems to both humans and plants.

You can see these lamps for sale @ http://www.atlantalightbulbs.com/germicidal.asp?gclid=CLzus7_Zua8CFQJ9hwodslwTjA

for more info here's a good article to check out

http://urbangardenmagazine.com/2009/08/ultra-violet-uvc-the-new-weapon-against-indoor-garden-pests/

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lamps didn't show up today (monday)... bummer to say the least.. in any event, they should be here sometime later tuesday.

@nug: ya now that you mention it, the uv-c stuff that he had mentioned to me was not plant light specific - my bad i had a stoner moment...

I just ordered one. FUCK I hope it wasn't a mistake.

@THAHAKUSURU: congrats! nope, it was no mistake. besides, they stand behind their products with a 30 day return policy and a ten (thats right, TEN) year, or 60,000 hour warranty. you will also get a warm feeling when you see on the product badge that it's made in USA.

k, they got here today, actually pretty early in the day. Packaging was light weight, effective and impressive in it's simplicity.

i spent the day rearranging the lighting in veg and bloom, and since i have a bad back and was working alone for most of it, i didn't take pics of the WIP. but for now i have the FSS 200w and the Inda-Gro 200w side by side in veg, and i can easily see that at full burn that the Inda-Gro is substantially brighter. I would have taken pics once i was done setting that up, but i had already robbed veg of 90 minutes of sleep by the time i was done... tomorrow is their photo op! O, i had also had a freshly popped femenized blue dream bean that literally was breaking soil as i was hanging the 200PAR in veg, i got a pic of her right as she went under it, and will try to stay on top of her daily progress for the first week or two, shes getting nothing but Inda-Gro PAR lumens from the start! and on a side note, i can't believe how much _much_ more brighter 400w watts of EFDL is vs the 432 watts of t5 which is my sunblaze 48. keep in mind that a SB48 takes $120 worth of tubes every time it needs freshening. 4-5 of those trips to the store (approx 5yrs), and you have the purchase price of the 200PAR, which lights a bigger area with more intense, PAR light, for half the wattage, and still rocking another 5 years on its warranty. idk. its math so simple a caveman can do it.

As for the Pro-420-PAR, its a little smaller than the FSS 400w, but seems to put out a more intense light, as i get long lines in my field of vision, when i look at it and then look away, like someone took my picture and used a light saber for the flash. I'm going to spend tomorrow on the phone with FSS to see about getting their 400w back up and operational for a direct comparison. based on the 200w, i feel its safe to say that i know what to expect, but you know what they say about pictures... and a math note here... compare its coverage to a 600w (even tho its full spectrum and hence far better than a MH or HPS alone). same 10 year warranty, means not replacing a $100 bulb 3-4 times a year. 2 years and bam, purchase price on a 420PAR, 8 more years of warranty. simple comparison to me...

anywho, i just wanted to pop in rq and touch base... i need to get into bloom and get some watering done, and maybe take a pic or two..

catch ya all tomorrow!

Induction lighting has been around for awhile and it has not really taken off in any market including the indoor growing one. Looking at the technology, I don't see a huge advantage over other fluorescent types except perhaps longevity. But at the price you pay for them, is that really still an advantage? I think that if the price was more reasonable, it might make a dent and take off, but as it stands, its just too expensive for what it offers imho.

Keep us posted splifferous dude.. you seem like a clever cookie! i wonder if anyone know's this donovan from the inda-gro vid's he had some impressive plants 6+ foot indoors.. my mates have told me its pretty hard to get that even with hps im still a noob and wanna try something new..

brotherjericho said:

Induction lighting has been around for awhile and it has not really taken off in any market including the indoor growing one. Looking at the technology, I don't see a huge advantage over other fluorescent types except perhaps longevity. But at the price you pay for them, is that really still an advantage? I think that if the price was more reasonable, it might make a dent and take off, but as it stands, its just too expensive for what it offers imho.

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I've always been fascinated by light and our attempt to recreate the suns energy for plant growth. By nature I'm skeptical of manufacturers technical claims and prefer to do my own research and reviews before forming opinions. If your analysis was formed by having experienced a grow with a wide spectrum EFDL phosphor blend and did not achieve comparative yields/results as measured in cost p/m2 with other lamp types then it's noteworthy. I would respect the fact that you have formed your opinion as to the particular EFDL lamp you tested (there are performance differences in EFDL lamps as well) and your personal experiences. If however you have not done a comparison grow, as many others including myself here have, then you're conclusions are as you've stated; based upon initial expense and how well EFDL has done in gaining wider market acceptance. If the latter happens to be the case, before completely dismissing this technology you may want to consider the following;

For general area lighting comparisons to other lamp types and especially energy efficient long life technologies EFDL success is largely based on it's high lumen per watt (166.5 vL/W), high CRI (a natural daylight white light to the human eye), longevity 100K hrs rated, low lumen losses (70K hrs with only a 10-15% loss of lumens), low thermal contribution and reduced 5:1 lamp replacement over traditional HID. It's an unfortunate fact that growers, not so unfortunate for the HID lamp manufacturer or the retailer, will replace HID grow lamps far more often then the rated 20K hrs HID lamp life. The replacement lamp cycle for growers tends to be more like 20:1 in terms of how often a grower will replace an HID grow lamp when compared to an EFDL.

Induction as a general area light technology has been doubling in worldwide market share over over the last five years with the average project realizing it's ROI in less then 2 years (for growers it's 1 year or less) in lower connected loads and control features that allow them to be step dimmed and instant on/off for motion sensing (controls that cannot be practically used for HID sources since restrike of an HID can take up to 15 minutes). Judging by current market trends for general area lighting applications there is little doubt that induction lighting will become the energy efficient standard for future lighting retrofits. You only have to compare for yourself the overall effect of a retrofitted roadway cobrahead compared to an EFDL and the visual acuity under EFDL far surpasses LED for a fraction of the initial and extended costs matrix's.

For growers who then wish to build upon the aforementioned general area lighting benefits of EFDL they can do so with plant specific wide spectrum PAR phosphor blends. The advantage of wide spectrums from a single source is it allows us to take our plants from propagation, vegetative and on into flower. This eliminates the need for changing lamp sources from for example a metal halide @ veg to an HPS @ flower thereby relieving the plants from the stresses associated with a new lamp spectrum adjustment. This alone will reduce the plants time to adjust to the new spectrums since there is no adjustment necessary when the plant does a natural photomorphogenesis between veg and flower of those wavelengths are present. UV-B at flower increases resin, oil and trichome production as the plant naturally tries to protect itself from the harmful effects of UV-B under flower by creating higher concentrations of these elements. UV-B is not present in HPS spectrums which focus more energy on the red regions. UV-B is present in wide spectrum phosphor blends that target these PAR regions. Also Argon gas is used in the EFDL lamp so the plant also gets another beneficial wavelength that the HPS doesn't produce and that is in the far red region 730 nanometer which is known to also benefit trichome production.

As a grower researching lighting options I discovered that utilizing EFDL wide phosphor blends when compared to HID or other narrow band UV or R/FR/IR lamp sources is a really an apples and oranges comparison with the overall best short term analysis being the yield quality and cost/m2 and the long term expense of fewer lamps to change out.

I base my limited opinion on the growing results documented on other boards. I have not seen anything impressive thus far, not for the price you have to pay up front. Until I see actual grows by unbiased sources that are impressive, I will continue to maintain that induction is just an expensive fluorescent technology.

Phillips makes induction lighting, but even they admit is has shortcomings. http://www.optimumlighting.com/services/faqs-introduction-lighting/

I keep flip flopping over these indagrow's and ^^^^you guys aint helping......ha