I'm not complaining but i am a bit confused..

I've been growing seeds from a Spanish breeder (Kannabia) for almost a year now and I've never had such consistent strains than what they offer. Height, yield, plant formation, grow-time, and taste from one plant to another is almost identical. If they can do it, why can't TGA? It would appear that corners may have been cut to get product out on the market.

I suppose variety is good for some. but say your a small time personal grower who grows a few plants at a time, you would kind of want the plant to be as advertised. everyone has their own view on it, and as mentioned the guy has found a niche and its paying his bills so who cares. Grow em if you want don't if you don't want to. Just goes to show though, go get your self a few packs of killer genetics make some seeds, make a few youtube vids and market yourself on forums and voila, you will have yourself the same niche if what you are showing is good. But donating his money? lol yeah, sure. Pics or it didn't happen

How many strains has tga released in the past 2 years?
Anyone know?
I wonder if you compared that with other more reputable breeders what you would find

Puff your logic is relevant but understand that variety is better than growing 10 seeds and getting one phenotype to me. if thats your niche, good for you, but to me, thats fucking lame as hell. I am a small time grower just growing a few plants, and i every TGA strain ive grown has been as advertised. I had 3 out of 5 females from my Time Wreck pack and 2 of them were very similar in smell taste and structure and honestly probably better than anything feminized that you have grown. You must be new to the scene? TGA has been releasing award winning strains since 2005, maybe earlier so you think he became successful because of the weed nerd? Lol Sub is a legend to the cannabis community and always will be. If its so easy to get some killer genetics and creates strains people go crazy over, then why havent you done it?..... Also please show me where he "markets" his product anywhere on any forum.

I dont need to prove shit to you. This past Christmas, TGA had a toy drive to get presents for kids and families who dont have the privilege to wake up Christmas morning and open up presents. Sub and MzJill went shopping and filled up 2 carts full of toys, and donated all of them to the toy drive. Other people donated too, and kids were able to open up some presents Christmas morning, THANKS To TGA.

Also, last year they had the school of dank, where the TGA team helped people learn how to grow in super soil, etc etc.
they planned on raising all the money for autistic kids, and guess what they did...
They raised $10,000 for the autistic charity fund and donated all of it, including a couple brand new i Pads.
Once again, Thanks to TGA for that!

What other company has done this? What other company just gives away free testers at events?
You can hate all you want, but once again, dont comment on something you know nothing about.

Wolf

It is amazing to me how people come to a forum that is titled Subcools old school Organics to trash on a guy who has given a wealth of knowledge for free. Some people thrive on that shit I guess. I personally have only grown 2 TGA strains out from seed, Timewreck and Jack Skellington. Im not sure about variety of phenos because we only ended up with one surviving female of each but I will say that the smoke I get off these two plants is easily in my top 5 that I have tried. IMHO it is much better quality than what I get from the dispensary in town.

It's really simple guys... It's no mystery that Subcool's seeds show quite a bit of variation. If this is something you like, buy his seeds. If you want uniformity, look elsewhere. Your argument is kindof like saying Porche is making cars wrong because most people just wanna buy a Honda.

We each want different things, so we each should do our research and buy what suits us. Simple as that.

Your acting like TGA seeds are the only ones with variation available.. F1 hybrids show variation, and TGA is not the only company who breeds F1's. I have grown Chocolate Rain from Escobar, and Phantom Cookies from GDP and both regular, both F1's. Liked them but didnt keep either, and i got 2 females from both that were a bit different from one another.. Variation is what you will get with most regular seeds, and some males of course.. Thats well known...


I agree with you on doing what makes you happy. Grow what you wanna grow, everyone has their own thing. But some people shouldn't come in here and speak about something they know nothing about.

You don't see me going around bashing other peoples methods or what seeds their growing..
Do what suits you best is correct. TGA seeds and super soil is what works for me. And it always has so
thats what ill be sticking to.

Wolf

you see this is what bugs the shit out of me about the internet. I have already now stated twice EACH TO HIS OWN, but yet here comes someone intent on dragging me into a war of words when in reality there can be no winner. I have my views you have yours. You think having 1 pheno is lame? That's your call. My take on it is if I want something different I'll buy something different , I want my strains consistant, If I like what Ive grown and want to grow it again I don't wanna sort through 20 phenos to find it again. That's what I want , not you, Who cares.

Why haven't I done it? Guess what I don't come from a part of the world where it is almost legal, that's why.

where does he market his products? If you don't think being involved in multiple forums . having "subcools old school organic forum sub section" , and that lame youtube series , isn't marketing, you have no business acumen at all. Charity fund raisers? - MARKETING . P-R .. simple as that.

And so he donates the money he raised on his little pr excerise . good for him, I can guarantee you he is not donating even 2 % of his business profits to anyone. You don't need to prove shit, because you can't .

And plenty of companies offer freebies and advice.

Hate all I want, ? dude, get off the chumps dick for 2 seconds and re read my posts. I have accused him of not doing selection and charging too much. That much is FACT. Apart from that I have said well done for having good plants and finding a niche.

Lame tga ass lickers man. fuck you

puffdatchronic said:

I have accused him of not doing selection and charging too much. That much is FACT. Apart from that I have said well done for having good plants and finding a niche.

Lame tga ass lickers man. fuck you

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Not to be in the middle of this but who are you to be accusing others? If you have a problems...fix them. Don't go all over the internet complaining about it cause its not helping. If the internet bugs you then why are you on it?

If you have nothing positive to post then I wouldn't because on a sub-forum like this where 95% are fans of TGA... you are not gonna win the argument buddy.

Happy Growing!

Call me a softy, but while I feel there's been short-cuts done in some of the TGA gear, I cannot fault him for being a businessman that has cultivated a following, given good info on growing, and then is now fighting for his life. I cut him a ton of slack.

Puff, you need smoke a little and chill out. This is reason you don't like the internet you say? Then don't use it... Food for thought, your on a forum section that says subcool old school organics.. if you don't like guy so much then why are you in this section? If it's that big of a problem why are you here complaining about it here...go to a forum that talks shit specifically on tga. Your doing nothing more then sounding like a kid throwing a tempertantrum.

No one is really wrong here since it's all based on opinion.
Subcool/TGA is obviously doing something right....
TGA offers strains you can't get elsewhere so what you have to find the keeper...

My stash consists of Serious, MrNice, Cannabiogen and TGA
Many people hunt through packs of AK looking for the cherry pheno
And there is lots of variation in MrNice's Medicine Man or Black Widow...
Cannabiogen's Peyote Purple is a 50 50 split between purp and green phenos with slightly different tastes between the two.

Those 4 Strains alone from very reputable breeders have 3-4 Phenos each
Super Silver Haze has a huge variation of Phenos....
F1 Hybrids baby for the win

I dig the tga strains. Yes the phenos vary quite a bit. Sometimes there's alot of males (great for breeders). They are the fastest seeds I ever dealt with. They are the most colorful and have the most trichome development of any seed company. I've grown Dutch passion, sagmartha, flying Dutchmen, soma, dj short, sensi, green house, nirvana, atomic, Cali connection, dna, my own breeds. The tga I like the most. Then the problem with back crossing is those strains become IBL's or has ibl genes. Which makes them very sensitive to any stress. Can hermie very easily. Even an ibl female that's been female for years can mutate into a hermie. Look how bad imbreeding is with animals and people. If you plan on breeding. With so many phenos and so many people breeding. There's not one cross is the same. The only back crossing I'd like to see is on the pennywise. So we can all get some harlequin phenos that actually have some cbd..

hyroot said:

I dig the tga strains. Yes the phenos vary quite a bit. Sometimes there's alot of males (great for breeders). They are the fastest seeds I ever dealt with. They are the most colorful and have the most trichome development of any seed company. I've grown Dutch passion, sagmartha, flying Dutchmen, soma, dj short, sensi, green house, nirvana, atomic, Cali connection, dna, my own breeds. The tga I like the most. Then the problem with back crossing is those strains become IBL's or has ibl genes. Which makes them very sensitive to any stress. Can hermie very easily. Even an ibl female that's been female for years can mutate into a hermie. Look how bad imbreeding is with animals and people. If you plan on breeding. With so many phenos and so many people breeding. There's not one cross is the same. The only back crossing I'd like to see is on the pennywise. So we can all get some harlequin phenos that actually have some cbd..

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Hows your luck been with Dutch Passion? I just ordered the skunk #11, frisian dew, and auto-mazar.

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Hows your luck been with Dutch Passion? I just ordered the skunk #11, frisian dew, and auto-mazar.

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I did not like mazar. . I'm not a fan of sky walker either though. Their blueberry was far better than dj shorts. Even though both developed the strain together. I guess I got better phenos with dutch passion.. I had their oldschool master kush which they no longer carry. That was a true IBL hindu kush x hindu kush. They now pass of hindu skunk as master kush.. hindu kush x skunk 1. My master mutated into a hermie after a few years and yield seem to have diminished over time. Stayed just as potent (mouth numbing) as ever. Flavor changed over time too. It became more fruity and less kushy. Now dutch passion go into the led game . selling rebranded apollos from cidly. china direct low bin leds.

pheno hunting is the best part! haters gets lost!