I'm in the mood to abuse my plant

Chunky Stool · Oct 22, 2017

This topic keeps coming up over and over...
Just because a plant survives defoliation doesn't mean it's a good idea. Removing healthy leaves not only reduces photosynthesis, it injures the plant. I grow outdoors and have found that injury invites infection -- especially late in flower. Snap off those fan leaves when it starts to get colder and gray mold can get a foothold. If a large stem gets moldy, everything above it is effectively strangled and must be picked, ready or not.
Not only do leaves make sugar for the plant, they also act as a sink for mobile nutrients. Mag deficiency is very common. Ever wonder why...?

Indacouch · Oct 22, 2017

Chunky Stool said:
This topic keeps coming up over and over...
Just because a plant survives defoliation doesn't mean it's a good idea. Removing healthy leaves not only reduces photosynthesis, it injures the plant. I grow outdoors and have found that injury invites infection -- especially late in flower. Snap off those fan leaves when it starts to get colder and gray mold can get a foothold. If a large stem gets moldy, everything above it is effectively strangled and must be picked, ready or not.
Not only do leaves make sugar for the plant, they also act as a sink for mobile nutrients. Mag deficiency is very common. Ever wonder why...?

Seems like people take things that work to the extreme ....the whole ((more is better theory)) topping/cropping works awesome when done right......so let's destroy the whole plant except the part we want ...SMH.......why don't farmers go out and remove all the leafs from there plants......makes no sense to remove the very thing that makes the plant develop.....((oh well))

Xs121 · Oct 22, 2017

Chunky Stool said:
This topic keeps coming up over and over...
Just because a plant survives defoliation doesn't mean it's a good idea. Removing healthy leaves not only reduces photosynthesis, it injures the plant. I grow outdoors and have found that injury invites infection -- especially late in flower. Snap off those fan leaves when it starts to get colder and gray mold can get a foothold. If a large stem gets moldy, everything above it is effectively strangled and must be picked, ready or not.
Not only do leaves make sugar for the plant, they also act as a sink for mobile nutrients. Mag deficiency is very common. Ever wonder why...?

Your reason is valid... you try to prevent diseases, specially outdoor. I grow indoor, our environment is somewhat different. I do understand the relationship of source and sink and yes I agree with you that leaves are producers of sugar or glucose. But come a time that leaves losses their photosynthetic efficiency, specially mature leaves. There's a bell curve, in their production of sugar.

Lastly, we're not talking here of leaving the plant totally bald. I've estimated that the mass of leaves I've left is sufficient enough to provide the necessary sugar for the plant to be healthy and hopefully productive yield.

Bugeye · Oct 22, 2017

I like the idea of wet trimming a month before harvest. Fuck leaves.

KryptoBud · Oct 22, 2017

Xs121 said:
Trust me, I'm very well aware of transpiration, respiration, osmosis, and turgor pressure.

If you already know it all why ask the question? You've read other threads about defol so you knew what people thought.

You keep saying show me show me, but you're the one making claims that the leaves are only important in the early/veg or "solar panels" are a bullshit excuse so the burden of proof is on you.

Every thread ends the same. I've never seen anyone post the hows and why's of defol increasing yields or quality. Every tutorial on it is the same, "you have to know when, why and how to do it." It has to be done on day 13, at 5:35 pm, during a harvest moon. Then again on day 21. Roughly translated means I have no fuckin clue, but the guy on youtube says my buds need more light.

Ever wondered why it has to be done twice??? That's because all those leaves that are "blocking light to bud sights" actually serve a purpose. Explain this, how does plant is forced to spend time and energy regrowing leaves multiple times in flower increase yield?

Stripping leaves to gain yield is like an Olympic sprinter cutting off his leg to lighten the load for his next race. Not everyone needs to ass rape their plants to see it's a bad idea, the same way most people don't need to jump from a roof to prove they can't fly.
Don't forget to flush.

Xs121 · Oct 22, 2017

Indacouch said:
Seems like people take things that work to the extreme ....the whole ((more is better theory)) topping/cropping works awesome when done right......so let's destroy the whole plant except the part we want ...SMH.......why don't farmers go out and remove all the leafs from there plants......makes no sense to remove the very thing that makes the plant develop.....((oh well))

There's plenty of scholarly research out there that shows defoliation improves yield either in quality or volume and like I said has nothing to do with cannabis. Question is, if done at the right time...would it work with cannabis? That's what's about experimentation...being bold to try and dare to question what is the norm.

I'm aware that there's plenty of failed defoliation, just because they failed doesnt mean we have to stop and take that as a gospel. What if their timing is not right? What if... a lot of what if. I'snt that worth exploring? I'm approaching this experiment in a different timing based on the researched articles I've read.

Xs121 · Oct 22, 2017

KryptoBud said:
If you already know it all why ask the question? You've read other threads about defol so you knew what people thought.

You keep saying show me show me, but you're the one making claims that the leaves are only important in the early/veg or "solar panels" are a bullshit excuse so the burden of proof is on you.

Every thread ends the same. I've never seen anyone post the hows and why's of defol increasing yields or quality. Every tutorial on it is the same, "you have to know when, why and how to do it." It has to be done on day 13, at 5:35 pm, during a harvest moon. Then again on day 21. Roughly translated means I have no fuckin clue, but the guy on youtube says my buds need more light.

Ever wondered why it has to be done twice??? That's because all those leaves that are "blocking light to bud sights" actually serve a purpose. Explain this, how does plant is forced to spend time and energy regrowing leaves multiple times in flower increase yield?

Stripping leaves to gain yield is like an Olympic sprinter cutting off his leg to lighten the load for his next race. Not everyone needs to ass rape their plants to see it's a bad idea, the same way most people don't need to jump from a roof to prove they can't fly.
Don't forget to flush.

Why do we have to find analogies that's not even close to analogy? Holy shit, whatever you're smoking, I want one.

I'm not claiming it's gonna work....it's an experiment. I dont get the hostility.

Xs121 · Oct 22, 2017

For whatever its worth, successful or not, I will be posting the side by side result of the two plants. After this, I wont be postings any of my 'crazy' experiment...not worth it.

Initial comparison.

Chunky Stool · Oct 22, 2017

Xs121 said:
There's plenty of scholarly research out there that shows defoliation improves yield either in quality or volume and like I said has nothing to do with cannabis. Question is, if done at the right time...would it work with cannabis? That's what's about experimentation...being bold to try and dare to question what is the norm.

I'm aware that there's plenty of failed defoliation, just because they failed doesnt mean we have to stop and take that as a gospel. What if their timing is not right? What if... a lot of what if. I'snt that worth exploring? I'm approaching this experiment in a different timing based on the researched articles I've read.

Hmm... now that you mention it, Mrs. Stool found an article that said defoliating brussels sprouts helps yield, so we're going to try it. Yesterday I took a serrated kitchen knife & cut off most of the lower growth. Basically, anything that didn't get direct sunlight got chopped.
In hindsight, I should have left a few of them alone for a side-by-side test.
Fuck. :dunce:

Chunky Stool · Oct 22, 2017

Xs121 said:
For whatever its worth, successful or not, I will be posting the side by side result of the two plants. After this, I wont be postings any of my 'crazy' experiment...not worth it.

Initial comparison.

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You've gotta get a tougher skin to hang out on RIU. Folks here are brutally honest.
If you really want to get offended, post something in the politics forum... :cuss:

whitebb2727 · Oct 22, 2017

Xs121 said:
There's plenty of scholarly research out there that shows defoliation improves yield either in quality or volume and like I said has nothing to do with cannabis. Question is, if done at the right time...would it work with cannabis? That's what's about experimentation...being bold to try and dare to question what is the norm.

I'm aware that there's plenty of failed defoliation, just because they failed doesnt mean we have to stop and take that as a gospel. What if their timing is not right? What if... a lot of what if. I'snt that worth exploring? I'm approaching this experiment in a different timing based on the researched articles I've read.

Post it. Show me one scholar article that states that.

KryptoBud · Oct 22, 2017

Xs121 said:
Why do we have to find analogies that's not even close to analogy? Holy shit, whatever you're smoking, I want one.

I'm not claiming it's gonna work....it's an experiment. I dont get the hostility.

No hostility. they're your plants what do i give a shit? You asked about defoliation and got answer's. Defoliation isn't new and you're not the first or last person to try it. There's a reason you can't find legit side by side experiments. If this worked everyone would do it, there would be no debate.
Can you explain how regrowing leaves multiple times in an 8-10 week flowering period increases yield or quality. Seems like a lot of time and energy spent that could've been used on growing bud.
Another thing to consider is how much the light deminish's, leaves a couple feet lower on the plant aren't getting close to the intensity the removed leaves were getting.
Trying to increase yield by stripping the leaves that power every part of a plants life isn't logical. More light is useless without photosynthesis, gas exchange, transpiration, respiration, or temp control all functions of leaves and stomata. You crippled your plant that's what the runner analogy meant, because lighter is faster right?

Indacouch · Oct 22, 2017

Xs121 said:
There's plenty of scholarly research out there that shows defoliation improves yield either in quality or volume and like I said has nothing to do with cannabis. Question is, if done at the right time...would it work with cannabis? That's what's about experimentation...being bold to try and dare to question what is the norm.

I'm aware that there's plenty of failed defoliation, just because they failed doesnt mean we have to stop and take that as a gospel. What if their timing is not right? What if... a lot of what if. I'snt that worth exploring? I'm approaching this experiment in a different timing based on the researched articles I've read.

I have a garden each year for experimenting ...soils,strains,training,nutes.....I'm all about experimenting....if you've ever seen an outdoor plant grow ...you'd see that the leafs((not the buds))actually position themselves to get the best angle to receive sun .....literally following the sun across the sky....and at night they relax .....they are the solar panels creating growth and energy for your plant ....I don't see any reason removing healthy leafs would be advantageous to the plant at all .....but in the end it's your plant to do with as you please.....and like mentioned above ...no need to take things personal or get upset ....were just strangers on the interwebs.

Xs121 · Oct 22, 2017

whitebb2727 said:
Post it. Show me one scholar article that states that.

Do the leg work man. You know how to search dont you? It's either you believe me or not, it's entirely up to you. I did my hard work and I dont have to prove anything to you.

whitebb2727 · Oct 22, 2017

Xs121 said:
Do the leg work man. You know how to search dont you? It's either you believe me or not, it's entirely up to you. I did my hard work and I dont have to prove anything to you.

Not how it works. You made the claim so back it up.

Xs121 · Oct 22, 2017

Chunky Stool said:
You've gotta get a tougher skin to hang out on RIU. Folks here are brutally honest.
If you really want to get offended, post something in the politics forum...

lol

Not offended but I kind of expecting an intelligent dialogue even if its a criticism. Not a bunch of egoist, like they gonna fall off their throne or something.

Xs121 · Oct 22, 2017

whitebb2727 said:
Not how it works. You made the claim so back it up.

What is this? Is this a game of I dare you?

If you cant find shit then just say so but not playing your game. Like I said, I'll post the result successful or not. If you are too lazy to do a search then wait for the result.

Simple as that.

psychedelicdaddi · Oct 22, 2017

man im reading this as if you were a dog meat butcher and you were trying to convince me that torturing the dog before you slaughter it made the meat taste better.

whitebb2727 · Oct 22, 2017

Xs121 said:
What is this? Is this a game of I dare you?

If you cant find shit then just say so but not playing your game. Like I said, I'll post the result successful or not. If you are too lazy to do a search then wait for the result.

Simple as that.

I'm not lazy. Its just how forums work. Eithe you back the claim up or you are full of shit.

I'm just going with full of shit. Being that you think hacking a plant up will help it.

I've done this research before and if I make a claim I can and will back it.

Xs121 · Oct 22, 2017

whitebb2727 said:
I'm not lazy. Its just how forums work. Eithe you back the claim up or you are full of shit.

I'm just going with full of shit. Being that you think hacking a plant up will help it.

I've done this research before and if I make a claim I can and will back it.

http://scialert.net/fulltext/?doi=ja.2016.68.75&org=11

Eat that with your shit. Cool?

You're too fucking lazy or dont know how to do a research. Get off your fucking throne

I'm in the mood to abuse my plant

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