scarecrow99
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the 190 is comparable with a 250 w hps I guess
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DrSmokebro
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Hi guys, Thanks for creating this thread. I am looking to light a 2x4ft Area. Very limited height - Closet grow 7ft high but eventually I want to shelf it in the middle and double the grow space - Scrog. I am looking at either 2 x Area51 190's or two Solarflare 200's Full cycle. Do you think this is overkill?!
The Area 51 website says it is possible to run the lights as low as 14in above the canopy if run in 130w mode. They seem like a good company so I imagine this is good/correct advice..? Not seen an journals with the lights this close.
Thanks in advance for the help.
Smokebro
The Area 51 website says it is possible to run the lights as low as 14in above the canopy if run in 130w mode. They seem like a good company so I imagine this is good/correct advice..? Not seen an journals with the lights this close.
Thanks in advance for the help.
Smokebro
hyroot
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nah id say the sgs 160 out performs a 400w hps. so I'd imagine the xgs 190 would do better. probably 2 panels would out perform r at least match a 600w hps.
PetFlora
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Not putting anyone down, but most lack the knowledge, and so rely on LED advertising and promotion, like I did ~ 3.5 years ago. Multi-spectrum panels/ufos are everywhere, but...
The fact is we never needed monochrome diodes. All we ever needed was wide spectrum white diodes, but the industry was focused on reds and blues. Quality whites have been available for several years now.
I have grown under all-white for ~ 1.5 years, doing AB versus multi-spectrum in my hot5 tent, as well as using my 3.5 yo R/B ufo 90 that I paid $360 for: back when I didn't know any better.
Last year A 51 mixed white + red, their new panel is all white
I have 2 very nice clones under ~ 215w: a mix of white leds- 3000 + 3500 + 5000K and they look really nice
Here is comparison of LED and 432w hot5. The clones under the led is a smaller pheno of same strain as under hot5 (8 bulbs 4 @ 2900/6500)
The fact is we never needed monochrome diodes. All we ever needed was wide spectrum white diodes, but the industry was focused on reds and blues. Quality whites have been available for several years now.
I have grown under all-white for ~ 1.5 years, doing AB versus multi-spectrum in my hot5 tent, as well as using my 3.5 yo R/B ufo 90 that I paid $360 for: back when I didn't know any better.
Last year A 51 mixed white + red, their new panel is all white
I have 2 very nice clones under ~ 215w: a mix of white leds- 3000 + 3500 + 5000K and they look really nice
Here is comparison of LED and 432w hot5. The clones under the led is a smaller pheno of same strain as under hot5 (8 bulbs 4 @ 2900/6500)
Pop A Molly
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Hey ya'll. i'm first time grower. and would like to start with LED grow lights. i'm about to start with about 2-3 plants. does 360w (120xW3) LED light will work ?
also my budget is pretty low. all i can spent is about 300-400$. basically i'm about to grow 2-4 plants and looking for affordable and high quallity all spectrum ppar led lights.
any inpout would much apriciated !
was thinking about this.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JoyHydroGrow-Apollo-360W-10bands-Flower-Plants-Powerful-LED-Grow-Light-Panel-/121163004040?pt=US_Hydroponics&hash=item1c35e0b888
any good though ? please help, i don't want to waste my money i've working hard to get.
also my budget is pretty low. all i can spent is about 300-400$. basically i'm about to grow 2-4 plants and looking for affordable and high quallity all spectrum ppar led lights.
any inpout would much apriciated !
was thinking about this.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JoyHydroGrow-Apollo-360W-10bands-Flower-Plants-Powerful-LED-Grow-Light-Panel-/121163004040?pt=US_Hydroponics&hash=item1c35e0b888
any good though ? please help, i don't want to waste my money i've working hard to get.
Donktastic
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Just found on their web site that area51 claims the xgs-190 has the intensity of a 400w but has more blues and deep reds than you would find on an HID, so I would expect a production level of 500w to 600w. Which is good news for me as Im trying to replace a 1000w hid with 2 of these for a 4x4ish grow area. I might even consider squeezing in 3 of these if I can find the extra cash from somewhere. I would really like to see a side by side with a 600w HID first though.
wyteberrywidow
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Huh? How did you come to that conclusion?
I would say it matches or out performs a smaller hps like 150-250 hps but until you can show proof or even a 1 pound grow with 1 panel I would not say it performs better than a 400 watt hps at all.
Donktastic
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How did you come to your conclusion? The web site says it pulls 190w, so if it only preforms like a 250w HID I would be extremely disappointed. I also found on the web site that they claim it puts off intensentiy like a 400w but with more blues and reds.
PSUAGRO.
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Yup^^^^...........this is due to the narrow lens angle, doesn't have the COVERAGE to compete with a 400w hps. People around here tend to forget what 400w of hid in skilled hands cab do........NO one is getting 350-400gms dry with 150w-160w off of current led tech.
Intensity YES..............coverage NO
Donktastic
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So your saying the intensity directly under the light is comparable to what you would find under a 400w, but beyond that the drop off is steep? Would it be as simple as finding a similar LED with a wider lens, or would that reduce the intensity under the light and be a zero net gain?
Greengenes707
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I would say it is comparable to a 400hps. Not every one gets 1g/w with a 400hps. We could say that a 400hps has a better potential but on average it should be close.
No one has tried the new XGS with more wattage and wider lenses yet so it is still up to be proven.
Here are some numbers to think about...and they show that it should be as good in coverage and intensity.
If you look at the most recent growers house test...they do a 400 hps and CMH...I can't get the pics off it so you have to check the link, it's the bottom 2
http://growershouse.com/images/ALTEST_infographic_1.pdf
roughly looks like...
400hps
C: 305µmols
1x1: 284µmols
2x2: 228µmols
3x3: 163µmols
400CMH
C: 520µmols
1x1: 397µmols
2x2: 303µmols
3x3: 160µmols
But then compare that to the graph A51 post on their site...
When averaged
XGS190
C: 675µmols
1x1: 548µmols
2x2: 338µmols
3x3: 192µmols
The XGS actually has a better PAR footprint inside the 3x3...so It makes me wonder what will happen with one solo in a 3x3 like it was made for? Could be as good as a 400 hps after all.
No one has tried the new XGS with more wattage and wider lenses yet so it is still up to be proven.
Here are some numbers to think about...and they show that it should be as good in coverage and intensity.
If you look at the most recent growers house test...they do a 400 hps and CMH...I can't get the pics off it so you have to check the link, it's the bottom 2
http://growershouse.com/images/ALTEST_infographic_1.pdf
roughly looks like...
400hps
C: 305µmols
1x1: 284µmols
2x2: 228µmols
3x3: 163µmols
400CMH
C: 520µmols
1x1: 397µmols
2x2: 303µmols
3x3: 160µmols
But then compare that to the graph A51 post on their site...
When averaged
XGS190
C: 675µmols
1x1: 548µmols
2x2: 338µmols
3x3: 192µmols
The XGS actually has a better PAR footprint inside the 3x3...so It makes me wonder what will happen with one solo in a 3x3 like it was made for? Could be as good as a 400 hps after all.
PSUAGRO.
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I said skilled growers can hit 350+ grams dry with 400w of hid
.....I never hit 1gpw+ with any hid, but got close.
Actually the cmh averaged above 2OOumol in a 3x3 & 4x4 AREA according to the link with 348w^^^it has the highest PPF per watt on the market or any indoor light source according to philips
A very good dutch grower got 371grms with 260w of Hans panel(hans fails to include the drivers
) over a 4x4? with COMPLETE coverage from 4 panels http://www.ledgrow.eu/Reviews.html, now will a SINGLE 190w all white panel do better?? IDK, but I doubt it with a RECTANGULAR design and still too low lm/per/watt, yes this is important when dealing with a "white" source IMO, don't forget that "green gap"!!!. You think a 1 foot wide led panel with 95 degree lenses is gonna cover a 3x3 effectively in flower????? hmmm
Your right that we haven't seen a full run with one yet.......what's on paper doesn't always translate to real life sometimes. Now with that said I really like area 51's stuff and EH's commitment to being very transparent about his products; they are top-notch in this crowded field. When his cree MK-R panel finally comes out, I want first dibs!!
.....I never hit 1gpw+ with any hid, but got close.Actually the cmh averaged above 2OOumol in a 3x3 & 4x4 AREA according to the link with 348w^^^it has the highest PPF per watt on the market or any indoor light source according to philips
A very good dutch grower got 371grms with 260w of Hans panel(hans fails to include the drivers
) over a 4x4? with COMPLETE coverage from 4 panels http://www.ledgrow.eu/Reviews.html, now will a SINGLE 190w all white panel do better?? IDK, but I doubt it with a RECTANGULAR design and still too low lm/per/watt, yes this is important when dealing with a "white" source IMO, don't forget that "green gap"!!!. You think a 1 foot wide led panel with 95 degree lenses is gonna cover a 3x3 effectively in flower????? hmmmYour right that we haven't seen a full run with one yet.......what's on paper doesn't always translate to real life sometimes. Now with that said I really like area 51's stuff and EH's commitment to being very transparent about his products; they are top-notch in this crowded field. When his cree MK-R panel finally comes out, I want first dibs!!
Greengenes707
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I didn't even notice those graphs at the top...I added up the 8 points/coverage distance they posted and averaged them out myself to get my numbers. So I wonder why/how they beefed the top graphs up
The Dawg
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Silly Psuagro Lumens Are For Humans.Its All About The Amount Of Photons A Plant Can Handel In A Given Light Cycle.We Led Growers Need To Quit Thinking With The Hid Side Of Our Brain.Trust Me This Is Eaiser Said Than Done But I Call Bullshit That You Cant Teach An Old Dawg New Tricks.Hell Its Been Said You Can Lead A Horse To Water But You Cant Make Him Drink However If You Kick Him In the Nutsack Hard Enough He Will Take A Big Gulp!!!!!!I said skilled growers can hit 350+ grams dry with 400w of hid
Actually the cmh averaged above 2OOumol in a 3x3 & 4x4 AREA according to the link with 348w^^^it has the highest PPF per watt on the market or any indoor light source according to philips
A very good dutch grower got 371grms with 260w of Hans panel(hans fails to include the drivers
Your right that we haven't seen a full run with one yet.......what's on paper doesn't always translate to real life sometimes. Now with that said I really like area 51's stuff and EH's commitment to being very transparent about his products; they are top-notch in this crowded field. When his cree MK-R panel finally comes out, I want first dibs!!
Now The Question At Hand Will An XGS Grow A Lb Of Dried Smoke? My Answer Is I Will Get Back To Ya After My Next Grow.However After 2 Grows With The Area-51 SGS 160 (155 Watts) I Belive 10 Oz Grow To Be A Great Grow (1.80 GPW) And A Skilled Grower With Above Average Genetics Should Be Able To Pull A Constiant 8 ozs Per Plant (1.44 GPW) Whats That Pics Or It Didnt Happen Huh. Check Out Post 335 https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/644641-all-cree-led-plus-waterfarm-34.html Can A 400 Watt HID Pull These Kind Of GPW Numbers Per Plant?Not Even Close Hell A 1000 Watter Cant Even Compete.Now The Question That Needs To Be asked Is?The Amount Of Yeild Worth The Amount Of Wasted Electricty???
Pop A Molly
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Anyone please? .
Bad Karma
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We LED nerds here in the forums, do not recommend Ebay LED lights to anyone, ever.
They have short lifespans, weak yields, and are made from unknown/low quality parts.
Here are my suggestions, a Hans Panel for $300, a California Light Works SolarFlare for $400, or save up for an Area 51 light.
The Hans Panel and the SolarFlare will each flower a 2'x2' area.
Good luck.
Bluefish76
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What's better, two Hans (the newer design) or one Area51 160? It will be a 24x36 grow area (48" height).
PSUAGRO.
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Damn.....sounds^^ like someone is still butt-hurt over that Chief's loss under the helms of coach fat ass AndySilly Psuagro Lumens Are For Humans.Its All About The Amount Of Photons A Plant Can Handel In A Given Light Cycle.We Led Growers Need To Quit Thinking With The Hid Side Of Our Brain.Trust Me This Is Eaiser Said Than Done But I Call Bullshit That You Cant Teach An Old Dawg New Tricks.Hell Its Been Said You Can Lead A Horse To Water But You Cant Make Him Drink However If You Kick Him In the Nutsack Hard Enough He Will Take A Big Gulp!!!!!!
Now The Question At Hand Will An XGS Grow A Lb Of Dried Smoke? My Answer Is I Will Get Back To Ya After My Next Grow.However After 2 Grows With The Area-51 SGS 160 (155 Watts) I Belive 10 Oz Grow To Be A Great Grow (1.80 GPW) And A Skilled Grower With Above Average Genetics Should Be Able To Pull A Constiant 8 ozs Per Plant (1.44 GPW) Whats That Pics Or It Didnt Happen Huh. Check Out Post 335 https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/644641-all-cree-led-plus-waterfarm-34.html Can A 400 Watt HID Pull These Kind Of GPW Numbers Per Plant?Not Even Close Hell A 1000 Watter Cant Even Compete.Now The Question That Needs To Be asked Is?The Amount Of Yeild Worth The Amount Of Wasted Electricty???
in philly we know the feeling!! and btw our season was always going to be one and out............always next year brother
that's our motto..That's a great grow by you Dawg no doubt, but were talking about getting 350grams+ with less than 200w of led and that's not possible ATM.....but who knows what the new area 51 xgs can do...........if I would bet it, well you don't wanna know i guess
It's junk ...........skip it
My mama always said two is better than one.............2 ===80w hans panels should rock it, but is the cooling sufficient???? I want that answered first.........the area 51 panel is great as well. your $$$ and your call
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