If Tax cuts create jobs

abandonconflict

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Fail? you said wages were flat, I proved that the lowest paid workers, not the "1%", have had their wages quadrupled over thirty years. This is a fact that you can easily verify. How is this a fail?
believe it or not, there used to be a middle class
 

Grandpapy

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So far, you haven't produced any evidence that your claim about Australia was true. I get six weeks vacation a year, plus 14 holidays, so your claim of less vacation time in America doesn't hold true. Perhaps you just need a better job?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_statutory_minimum_employment_leave_by_country

Better job? I do my job better then most and love it.
Perhaps what you meant to say was I need a better Boss. You know like yours, where your boss isn't worried about out-doing last quarters record earnings, slashing jobs to do so.
 

canndo

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You presented a graph, that is all it is, as far as I am concerned. It is exactly the same as if I were to say that I am right and you are wrong. There it is in black and white, evidence that I am right and you are wrong. It's irrefutable.

Mr. Neutron I am still waiting for that graph you promised of the sun revolving around the earth.
 

canndo

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30 years ago, the minimum wage was $1.60/hr. Now it's what $7.55/hr? More than quadrupled in 30 years.

Minimum wage, which is roughly adjusted for inflation has no bearing on wage in adjusted dollars being flat - or, more properly, being at about the same rate now as it was 30 years ago (there have been fluctuations)
 

canndo

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Productivity is increased by mechanization, not labor. Your premise is flawed.

Red, that is a nice but quite inadequate explaination for increases in productivity as the increase does not parallel the advent of mechanization.
 

canndo

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GENEVA — American workers stay longer in the office, at the factory or on the farm than their counterparts in Europe and most other rich nations, and they produce more per person over the year.
They also get more done per hour than everyone but the Norwegians, according to a U.N. report released Monday, which said the United States “leads the world in labor productivity.”
The average U.S. worker produces $63,885 of wealth per year, more than their counterparts in all other countries, the International Labor Organization said in its report. Ireland comes in second at $55,986, followed by Luxembourg at $55,641, Belgium at $55,235 and France at $54,609.
The productivity figure is found by dividing the country’s gross domestic product by the number of people employed. The U.N. report is based on 2006 figures for many countries, or the most recent available.



Now certainly a portion of higher output has to do with technology, but the other countries compared here have that same technology.
 

Grandpapy

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GENEVA — American workers stay longer in the office, at the factory or on the farm than their counterparts in Europe and most other rich nations, and they produce more per person over the year.
They also get more done per hour than everyone but the Norwegians, according to a U.N. report released Monday, which said the United States “leads the world in labor productivity.”
The average U.S. worker produces $63,885 of wealth per year, more than their counterparts in all other countries, the International Labor Organization said in its report. Ireland comes in second at $55,986, followed by Luxembourg at $55,641, Belgium at $55,235 and France at $54,609.
The productivity figure is found by dividing the country’s gross domestic product by the number of people employed. The U.N. report is based on 2006 figures for many countries, or the most recent available.



Now certainly a portion of higher output has to do with technology, but the other countries compared here have that same technology.
It makes sense that we are UN-aware of all the things being taken from us because we are at work all the time.

Case in point: 5 years ago I renewed my National Park pass not $50 like the year before but $80, I asked has toilet paper gone up that much?? I was told "no but now you can use National Forest land if you want to take a walk." WTF??
 

beenthere

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GENEVA — American workers stay longer in the office, at the factory or on the farm than their counterparts in Europe and most other rich nations, and they produce more per person over the year.
They also get more done per hour than everyone but the Norwegians, according to a U.N. report released Monday, which said the United States “leads the world in labor productivity.”
Then why in the world would progressives like yourself want to move this country towards a European socialist model of economics?
 

abandonconflict

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Then why in the world would progressives like yourself want to move this country towards a European socialist model of economics?
Clayton, if the average American is more productive than the average European, why does the average American get paid so much less?

That is what he means.
 

mr2shim

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Then why in the world would progressives like yourself want to move this country towards a European socialist model of economics?
They work less than we do, make more than we do and are happier than us. I'll gladly take their system over this shit. So fucking sick of the brainwashed buffoons thinking "America is the best place to live" You're as dumb as a bag of wet hammers if you believe that nonsense.

We are the butt of the joke to the rest of the world, we're just too stupid to notice everyone is laughing at us.
 

abandonconflict

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They work less than we do, make more than we do and are happier than us. I'll gladly take their system over this shit. So fucking sick of the brainwashed buffoons thinking "America is the best place to live" You're as dumb as a bag of wet hammers if you believe that nonsense.

We are the butt of the joke to the rest of the world, we're just too stupid to notice everyone is laughing at us.
All that extra money they don't pay to American workers is spent on wars.
 

NoDrama

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Red, that is a nice but quite inadequate explaination for increases in productivity as the increase does not parallel the advent of mechanization.
He is right though, but not exactly. TECHNOLOGY is what drives process to be more efficient, not labor, in fact labor is considered the least efficient way to do things.
 
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