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Joker209

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weekend toker said:
hey i have a plant its around a month old and its probly a foot tall maybe two but the stem/trunk is not very thick is there anyway i can help this and how doo i get the most buds out of my plants im new to growing and want a good harvest so thank you and SMOKE ON!!!
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If I were to tell you how to get the most buds out of your plant I would be writing a book. Best advice I can give you on that portion is to do as much research as you can. I'm basically learning as much as I can through answering questions I don't know but only a few have stumped me so far :D You need to get a fan blowing on them or they will get buds and fall over dead... Waste of a great plant if you ask me... Get some fans on her and hope she strengthens up a little. Hope that helps :D
 
BCBuddy420

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Joker209 said:
I have around 5-7 years (give or take) experience and I would love to help if I can. Please feel free to talk about anything on here or you can private message me and I will get back to you. I understand there are a lot of people on here that are just starting out and I would like to lend a hand if I can. Remember "The more you know, The more you grow"

:weed: Enjoy everyone. :weed:
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Hey man :) first off props and rep to you for taking on this thread! It's guys like you that make this a great community. I am moving soon and want to start up a new grow with 3 1000 watt hps, Now here comes the question... I was thinking of using maybe 8 cfls hanging from the ceiling about 2 inches above all my plants in this room, essentially boosting up my wattage by at least 1000 watts. Will this supplementation be useful in my flowering room for a dramatically increased yield or should I not bother. I cant have the power usage of 4 k's anymore, that's whats spawned this crap. My gf just wont let me use 4 k's, she's trippin' haha. I'm thinking this will be less Kilowatts used this way...

~ BCbuddy :leaf:
 
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BCBuddy420 said:
Hey man :) first off props and rep to you for taking on this thread! It's guys like you that make this a great community. I am moving soon and want to start up a new grow with 3 1000 watt hps, Now here comes the question... I was thinking of using maybe 8 cfls hanging from the ceiling about 2 inches above all my plants in this room, essentially boosting up my wattage by at least 1000 watts. Will this supplementation be useful in my flowering room for a dramatically increased yield or should I not bother. I cant have the power usage of 4 k's anymore, that's whats spawned this crap. My gf just wont let me use 4 k's, she's trippin' haha. I'm thinking this will be less Kilowatts used this way...

~ BCbuddy :leaf:
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Let me first say thanks man I really appreciate it. I help where I can and I know how difficult it can be to start growing, we've all been there and lost a couple starter plants (without research of course) and if I can prevent someone from allowing MJ plants to die I am going to lol. So let me understand your question a little bit. You are going to be switching from HPS to Cfls? If you are wanting to decrease your wattage and increase or break even with what you had I would say go with some 200 watt cfls and you should do just fine. I run 3 cfls per plant and get moderate results. (for now ;-) ) I would say you could give it a shot if worse comes to worse keep your lights and use them again until you can come up with something else. Maybe T5's... If that wasn't the answer you were looking for just hit me back and I will try to re-answer for ya :D
 
darren121

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Joker209 said:
Good to see ya here Darren that personal messages thing was getting confusing lol. I would like you to look at this link > https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/321101-how-germinate-seeds.html < and if you want to go that route I get 100% success rate with it. If you want to place them in soil soak them in water for about 12 hours before you do and it should increase the chance of success. Make sure if you germinate in soil that they can push through the surface soil easily. Maybe cover the seed with sifted soil at about 1/4-1/2" of soil above your seedling so they don't have what's called "Cradle Rot". Hope this helps...
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1 would be using a compost which has got feed in it i used it to plant melon seeds said
4 weeks before you see them growing but 1 week or less and they were growing i juts transfred them last night into pots of there own ready for grow bags so could i use that in stead of soil and its allways nice and damp do u think that would be ok or does it has to be soil
 
Joker209

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darren121 said:
1 would be using a compost which has got feed in it i used it to plant melon seeds said
4 weeks before you see them growing but 1 week or less and they were growing i juts transfred them last night into pots of there own ready for grow bags so could i use that in stead of soil and its allways nice and damp do u think that would be ok or does it has to be soil
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If you don't mind my asking what do you normally speak? (what language)

I say that MJ seeds are usually pretty weak and don't press through soil like most other seeds. You have to make sure that the soil above the seed is light and loose so the seed can germinate and press through it without a problem. You should be ok doing it that way. Hope this helps :D
 
BCBuddy420

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Joker209 said:
Let me first say thanks man I really appreciate it. I help where I can and I know how difficult it can be to start growing, we've all been there and lost a couple starter plants (without research of course) and if I can prevent someone from allowing MJ plants to die I am going to lol. So let me understand your question a little bit. You are going to be switching from HPS to Cfls? If you are wanting to decrease your wattage and increase or break even with what you had I would say go with some 200 watt cfls and you should do just fine. I run 3 cfls per plant and get moderate results. (for now ;-) ) I would say you could give it a shot if worse comes to worse keep your lights and use them again until you can come up with something else. Maybe T5's... If that wasn't the answer you were looking for just hit me back and I will try to re-answer for ya :D
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No no haha you didnt read it. I'm just losing a 1000 watt hps. Going from 4000watts to 3000watts, but you see I'm not happy to lose that extra k. My gf is making me downsize. The reason I came to you, oh wise one, is that I know about as much about cfl's as most girls know about the inner workings of a combustion engine. I was thinking, after your last post that i will add 5 or 6 of the 200watt dealies. My question is will this re-instate my previous wattage, pound 4 pound? how much juice will those lil buggers suck? not as much as a k I'd say right? shit man I jus have no clue and i want to continue my yields haha.

Since I have your attention I'd also like to ask how exactly to incorperate molasses into my feeds and what it will do as far as nute overload, being that I already have a very serious feeding schedule. I just don't want to overload the plants, but fatten the shit out of my buds, essentially adding as much weight possible. Co2 is used in my grows as well. I know that molasses has certain amounts of n-p-k if I remember correctly. Just to avoid the question if you are to ask, I use GH flora 3part with diamond nectar, liquid karma(botanicare) and kool bloom for a phospo-load at the 5 week to 8 week mark of the flowering cycle. The feed chart I have is written up by growers with over 25 years experience that own the most prosperous hydroponic store in my city and also pretty much the majority of the underground cannabis market around here and that's a big statement where I live, trust me. Thanks for reading man. Peace.

~ BCbuddy :leaf:
 
BCBuddy420

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Joker209 said:
]If you don't mind my asking what do you normally speak? (what language)[/B]

I say that MJ seeds are usually pretty weak and don't press through soil like most other seeds. You have to make sure that the soil above the seed is light and loose so the seed can germinate and press through it without a problem. You should be ok doing it that way. Hope this helps :D
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LOL hahaha Thx I just had a good laugh to go with my coffee this morning, thx Joker! Oh and no offense but you have it bass ackwards... I've seen seeds come through piles of rocks eventually, they are actually more hearty and tenacious than alot of other plants being a vile weed and all. I've buried seeds balls deep in rigid ass, shitty, bark mulch infused, packed down super hard soil and it took twice as long but those little bastards came jutting through like little troopers. Just took awhile hehe. Again nice thread man, your a pillar of help for these newbs that need advice. How many blindingly stupid questions do you really get on here?? haha just curious...
 
darren121

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Joker209 said:
If you don't mind my asking what do you normally speak? (what language)

I say that MJ seeds are usually pretty weak and don't press through soil like most other seeds. You have to make sure that the soil above the seed is light and loose so the seed can germinate and press through it without a problem. You should be ok doing it that way. Hope this helps :D
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english am from uk n ireland i planted 1 in compost and did other 1 seed with paper
just put it on the compost and sprinkled it over seed so it can pop out
 
Joker209

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BCBuddy420 said:
No no haha you didnt read it. (Actually I read it a couple times haha trying pull the question from context just didn't understand it :D )I'm just losing a 1000 watt hps. Going from 4000watts to 3000watts, but you see I'm not happy to lose that extra k. My gf is making me downsize. The reason I came to you, oh wise one, is that I know about as much about cfl's as most girls know about the inner workings of a combustion engine. I was thinking, after your last post that i will add 5 or 6 of the 200watt dealies. My question is will this re-instate my previous wattage, pound 4 pound? how much juice will those lil buggers suck? not as much as a k I'd say right? shit man I jus have no clue and i want to continue my yields haha.
I wouldn't change from hps to cfl because cfl can't match a hps in the lines of spectrum and lumen. Hps are hands down the best flowering lights.
Since I have your attention I'd also like to ask how exactly to incorperate molasses into my feeds and what it will do as far as nute overload, being that I already have a very serious feeding schedule. I just don't want to overload the plants, but fatten the shit out of my buds, essentially adding as much weight possible. Co2 is used in my grows as well. I know that molasses has certain amounts of n-p-k if I remember correctly. Just to avoid the question if you are to ask, I use GH flora 3part with diamond nectar, liquid karma(botanicare) and kool bloom for a phospo-load at the 5 week to 8 week mark of the flowering cycle. The feed chart I have is written up by growers with over 25 years experience that own the most prosperous hydroponic store in my city and also pretty much the majority of the underground cannabis market around here and that's a big statement where I live, trust me. Thanks for reading man. Peace.

~ BCbuddy :leaf:
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Ok as far as molasses yes it does have N-P-K values but not enough to make a dent in your feeding schedule. I used around 1-2 teaspoons / gallon molasses and it turned out very nice. The raw sugars in molasses helps boost the metabolism of your plant to the point they can actually use their nutrients better. Try to incorporate the molasses into your last 2 weeks (during flush if you do) and it will add a lot to the flavor. The molasses is not a good idea in hydroponic systems. Hope that helps lol The HPS-> Cfl thing I personally wouldn't but if you are wanting to show the lady you are using less cfls should work fine. You may have to tinker with the wattage until you figure out the best way to go. I am not 100% about pound 4 pound :D
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LOL hahaha Thx I just had a good laugh to go with my coffee this morning, thx Joker! Oh and no offense but you have it bass ackwards... I've seen seeds come through piles of rocks eventually, they are actually more hearty and tenacious than alot of other plants being a vile weed and all. I've buried seeds balls deep in rigid ass, shitty, bark mulch infused, packed down super hard soil and it took twice as long but those little bastards came jutting through like little troopers. Just took awhile hehe. Again nice thread man, your a pillar of help for these newbs that need advice. How many blindingly stupid questions do you really get on here?? haha just curious...
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As you are right about them growing through just about anything but a lot of the time the seedlings will rot under their blanket of soil if it's too thick. I like to take precautionary measurements when dealing with seedlings. I am very gentle with how I work my garden materials :D Thanks for the props and yes I have had a couple "stupid" questions that are mostly common sense. I feel that if a question is asked right it is worth asking :D
darren121 said:
english am from uk n ireland i planted 1 in compost and did other 1 seed with paper
just put it on the compost and sprinkled it over seed so it can pop out
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That should work fine then best luck and keep me posted :D
The reason for my question regarding language is because I have seen people struggle with english composition and I speak a few different languages enough to help translate wording into english language :D
 
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LED LIGHTS!!!!

ive purchased a 120w led panel for growing 3 plants in my large attic, ive read as much as one possibly can on growing for beginners and have been practicing all sorts but now im thinking im finally ready to take it on, my post here is basically to find out about other ppls experience growing with these and of course to obtain any advice that might help me grow a successful smoke:)
 
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immaking3

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1/2" tall and 15 days old with about 10 leaves in 5gal pots under 400whps how high above the canopy shoud my light be?
 
BCBuddy420

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Joker209 said:
Ok as far as molasses yes it does have N-P-K values but not enough to make a dent in your feeding schedule. I used around 1-2 teaspoons / gallon molasses and it turned out very nice. The raw sugars in molasses helps boost the metabolism of your plant to the point they can actually use their nutrients better. Try to incorporate the molasses into your last 2 weeks (during flush if you do) and it will add a lot to the flavor. The molasses is not a good idea in hydroponic systems. Hope that helps lol The HPS-> Cfl thing I personally wouldn't but if you are wanting to show the lady you are using less cfls should work fine. You may have to tinker with the wattage until you figure out the best way to go. I am not 100% about pound 4 pound.

"I'm just losing a 1000 watt hps. Going from 4000watts to 3000watts, but you see I'm not happy to lose that extra k."

Yeah I'm still not explaining it right I guess. Here... okay she's making me stop using just one of my HPS k's I'm still going to use 3000 watts of hps lights, I just want to supplement the lost lumens by hanging a cfl in between hps's here and there down near the canopy to try to make up for the loss of the one hps. I just want to have the same harvest size as normal. My question is that can I still make up the 1000watt hps loss in yield by incorperating cfls, how many watts of (2500k spectrum for flowering?) cfl lighting do I need to grow a pound of weed? That will bump me back up to my previous yield size and my other question is will I use less electricity than a 1000watt hps this way?

Thanks for the molasses info, I think I will try to use that product from weeks 5-8 along with the boost in co2 and kool bloom, should go off big I hope, you answered this question well.
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immaking3 said:
1/2" tall and 15 days old with about 10 leaves in 5gal pots under 400whps how high above the canopy shoud my light be?
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BCBuddy420 said:
"I'm just losing a 1000 watt hps. Going from 4000watts to 3000watts, but you see I'm not happy to lose that extra k."

Yeah I'm still not explaining it right I guess. Here... okay she's making me stop using just one of my HPS k's I'm still going to use 3000 watts of hps lights, I just want to supplement the lost lumens by hanging a cfl in between hps's here and there down near the canopy to try to make up for the loss of the one hps. I just want to have the same harvest size as normal. My question is that can I still make up the 1000watt hps loss in yield by incorporating cfls, how many watts of (2500k spectrum for flowering?) cfl lighting do I need to grow a pound of weed? That will bump me back up to my previous yield size and my other question is will I use less electricity than a 1000watt hps this way?

Thanks for the molasses info, I think I will try to use that product from weeks 5-8 along with the boost in co2 and kool bloom, should go off big I hope, you answered this question well.
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I will have to look it up give me about 5 minutes (maybe longer I'm pretty stoned right now)
Ok what I found is this:
1000 watt HPS
Lumen = 110,000 - 130,000
Color = 2000 Kelvin
200 watt CFL = 800 watt indecent
Lumen = 23,520
Color = 2700 Kelvin
130,000 / 23,520 = 5.5 something. So 23,520 x 5 = 117,600. Should be ideal. So it will take you 5 to supplement the missing light from your HPS. Hope that was well written lol I said I was stoned :D
Little bit of light reading. (my sources so to say)
http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/160937-high-output-compact-fluorescent-200-watt.html

http://www.growwurks.com/feliz-200-watt-blue-and-red-compact-fluorescent-grow-lamps.aspx

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-lighting/140735-answers-about-cfl-hps-how-much-light.html

http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/
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sorry 4 1/2"
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I will have to look this up too give me a few :D I will edit or add

Going to look for your answer now.

Ok what I found was this site and it was on here lol
https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/55425-hps-distance-plant.html
I can't answer this question cuz I haven't used a 400 watter for about 6 years now lol
 
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BEASTIE BLOOMZ
Contains Nitrogen 0%, Available Phosphate 50.0%, Soluble Potash 30.0%, Boron 0.02%, Chelated Copper 0.05%, Chelated Iron 0.10%, Manganese 0.05%, Molybdenum 0.0009%, and Zinc 0.05%. Derived from: Mono Potassium Phosphate, Iron EDTA, Manganese EDTA, Zinc EDTA, Copper EDTA, Chelating Agent, Disodium Ethylenediamine Tetra Acetate (EDTA), Sodium Borate, Sodium Molybdate, and Kelp. Also contains non-plant food ingredients: Humic Acid (derived from Leonardite) 1.5%.

just got beastie bloomz the other day 0-50-30 its for week 3-4 but im almost in week 4.5 iv been useing the the liquid trio grow big 6-4-4 big bloom .01-.3-.7 and tiger bloom 2-8-4 at half strength of the feeding sechudal http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/soilfeed.pdf every other watering starting nutes at week 2 of bloom minus the solubles in oceanforest/perlite 1.1qt to 2.5gal to finally 5gallon pots and things are going good but was hopeing the beastie bloomz would help fatten it up i dont have the other 2 solubles so i was planning on useing the beastie bloomz at 1/4 dose since next feeding would be just straight water then 1/4 next feeding and then half strength during normal feedings untill the flush in the place of cha ching 9-50-10 and maybe adding some grow big if it starts to yellow early but i keep reading how some are so for it and some so against it this is my 3rd grow but my first grow that didnt start with infected clones and 0 knowledge

so my question is should i use it as planned or just keep on trucking with the liquids and count the $20 loss as a win if i dont destroy my plants with it?

if it helps any the link in my sig is my journal has pix/video from a few days ago they are around 3.5ft tall 2ft wide with around 10inch main coals if they fill in
 
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I would have to say be careful with adding too much P to your plants during flower. A friend of mine gave his ladies too much bloom nute and they ended up rotting in the middle. If you broke it open it was orange and nasty in the middle. Made me sick for days... I would just give them low doses of it piggybacked with the other bloom nutes you are feeding. Just keep it somewhat low and you should be ok. No point in wasting money on nutes you aren't going to be able to use... Make sure to flush a week before harvest though so you don't end up with any problems in the bud by "overdosing" them lol Hope that helps
 
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thank you that does help pretty much what i was thinking just wanted a seconed opinion before i did anything new to whats been running fairly smoothly
when you say piggyback does that mean i shouldnt feed it during a straight water but wait till next feeding and just add it then? since i feed every other watering
 
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DTR said:
thank you that does help pretty much what i was thinking just wanted a seconed opinion before i did anything new to whats been running fairly smoothly
when you say piggyback does that mean i shouldnt feed it during a straight water but wait till next feeding and just add it then? since i feed every other watering
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By piggyback I actually meant with the others. Add that when you feed or when there's just water. It might actually work better if you use it during water days and not feeding days. It's really depending on you but I would say either way should be fine. If the plant's getting it then it shouldn't matter when you feed but if. Good luck bud keep us posted.
 
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Joker209 said:
I will have to look it up give me about 5 minutes (maybe longer I'm pretty stoned right now)
Ok what I found is this:
1000 watt HPS
Lumen = 110,000 - 130,000
Color = 2000 Kelvin
200 watt CFL = 800 watt indecent
Lumen = 23,520
Color = 2700 Kelvin
130,000 / 23,520 = 5.5 something. So 23,520 x 5 = 117,600. Should be ideal. So it will take you 5 to supplement the missing light from your HPS. Hope that was well written lol I said I was stoned :D
Little bit of light reading. (my sources so to say)
http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/160937-high-output-compact-fluorescent-200-watt.html

http://www.growwurks.com/feliz-200-watt-blue-and-red-compact-fluorescent-grow-lamps.aspx

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-lighting/140735-answers-about-cfl-hps-how-much-light.html

Dude your a pimp. Thank you. I guess I'm honestly just another lazy ass that won't look shit up myself, yet normally I do haha. 5 cfl's staggered within my 3 k's offset should boost me back up to the same yield, I just wonder how much juice each 200 watt cfl uses and how much a 5 x 200watt cfl setup would cost approximately...
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