If buffet wanted his secretary to pay the same income taxes as he does...

massah

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Listen, it's not just the surveys; I made two very important points in an earlier post: Businesses have plenty of cash, and are very profitable ATM. If you were right, that taxation and regulation were to blame for our economic problems, than profitability wouldn't be so high. Businesses aren't hiring because they dont have enough demand for their products.
Because the general population hasn't had a pay increase in years that hasn't been consumed by health insurance costs, and oil prices going sky high...so with less money in peoples pockets due to cost of living going up much faster than their pay stubs, less demand is seen as people are trying as hard as they can to save money, but can't anyway :D
 

mame

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You mean agree with me!
If you're arguing that tax cuts on business owners and getting rid of regulation leads to more demand than you're flat wrong and I disagree with that notion. If you agree that demand is the problem, than you would be for demand side solutions which is not what you're currently advocating for.
 

mame

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Because the general population hasn't had a pay increase in years that hasn't been consumed by health insurance costs, and oil prices going sky high...so with less money in peoples pockets due to cost of living going up much faster than their pay stubs, less demand is seen as people are trying as hard as they can to save money, but can't anyway :D
That's been happening for years and yet the economy remained at more or less full employment. The primary detriment to aggregate demand ATM is private debt levels, which are very very high, and that is being compounded by joblessness which only serves to increase the burden of debt. We're in a liquidity trap, and so things will remain stagnant until either a) the debt is down to normal levels, or B) expansionary fiscal policy. The first option leaves us in this stagnant state ala Japan's lost decade and the second option closes the output gap, reaches full employment, and lessens the burden of debt (so over the long run, option B is the best option bar none).
 

kelly4

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If you're arguing that tax cuts on business owners and getting rid of regulation leads to more demand than you're flat wrong and I disagree with that notion. If you agree that demand is the problem, than you would be for demand side solutions which is not what you're currently advocating for.
Do you read a thing I write?! I'm saying create jobs. Cut taxes. More people with more money will create more people willing to buy.===MORE DEMAND!!!
 

kelly4

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Uncle Buck, You say trickle down doesn't work. Reagan proved that wrong. But I'm sure you will find a chart or graph that proves that wrong too..LOL
 

kelly4

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Listen, it's not just the surveys; I made two very important points in an earlier post: Businesses have plenty of cash, and are very profitable ATM. If you were right - that taxation and regulation were to blame for our economic problems - than profitability wouldn't be so high. Businesses aren't hiring because they dont have enough demand for their products and lowering their taxes wont change that, it'll just further increase profitability which doesn't change anything (because DEMAND spurs investment).
I'm not just saying their taxes. I'm saying EVERYBODY'S taxes? WTF?
 

mame

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Uncle Buck, You say trickle down doesn't work. Reagan proved that wrong. But I'm sure you will find a chart or graph that proves that wrong too..LOL
Reagan didn't prove anything. Paul Volcker, chairman of the Federal Reserve, deserves every ounce of credit for the economic success of that era.
 

kelly4

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Reagan didn't prove anything. Paul Volcker, chairman of the Federal Reserve, deserves every ounce of credit for the economic success of that era.
The federal reserve is the main problem with our country.
 

Phate

Member
Yep..you can fudge any chart.
Example: The scientist who fudge the Global warming charts...Classic.
"How embarrassing they got caught" Shame, shame
I like to think about all the doctors who supported cigarettes in the 70s when I think about fudging charts...now THATS classic =)
 

mame

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The federal reserve is the main problem with our country.
Keep telling yourself that.

The Federal Reserve may have some institutional issues dealing with influence and power, but central banking in and of itself is vital to our nations success. Tell me, why do you think pretty much every nation has a central bank? Just for kicks?
 

Phate

Member
"Trickle down" works when everything else is working... you have to have people buying, people selling and people WORKING for anything to "trickle down" when they arent all working as a well oiled machine it just doesnt work that way. In the past decade I would have to say "trickle up" is much more applicable to the current economic situation...as in the top whatever % keep making more while the bottom whatever % keep making less ( all relative of course % wise)
 

UncleBuck

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Uncle Buck, You say trickle down doesn't work. Reagan proved that wrong. But I'm sure you will find a chart or graph that proves that wrong too..LOL
since supply side reaganomics have been implemented, wages for american workers have remained stagnant for 30+ years while productivity has increased.

meanwhile, more money than ever has flowed to the top.

they say a rising tide lifts all ships, but not all of us own yachts, ya know.
 

UncleBuck

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Every time you are wrong you resort to typing errors... You are a true LOSER!
not every time, just this one.

if the person with whom i am conversing can not distinguish the proper usage of you're and your, why should i listen to their hyper-partisan talking points about macroeconomics?
 
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