ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize

Originally Posted by Matt Rize
Alright, here's whatsup. I broke my camera...

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Matt, your concentrates are too good for that camera build! I know its dank when you have all those cool dab tools and your trigger finger is still so sticky the button came off! Great job, knowledge, ability to share. I REALLY appreciate the education you continue to give me on these threads! Specifically the science and resources, not just claims and hot air!

OGs are ready to harvest in a week. Ordering up a new washing machine and 8 bag set cause I'm sick of cleaning up my buddys he's been lending me. I'll post up here to see what I get and the plants on the veganic thread. Cheers. Hope the move is allowing time for BIG Dabs still!

hellraizer30 said:

Nice matt looks like theres endless possibilities

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oh yeah, rizing up

poplars said:

nice mcnab, those are awesome farm dogs.

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man, you know your dogs. Caylx is such a good girl. I rescued her a couple years ago.

Kalyx said:

Matt, your concentrates are too good for that camera build! I know its dank when you have all those cool dab tools and your trigger finger is still so sticky the button came off! Great job, knowledge, ability to share. I REALLY appreciate the education you continue to give me on these threads! Specifically the science and resources, not just claims and hot air!

OGs are ready to harvest in a week. Ordering up a new washing machine and 8 bag set cause I'm sick of cleaning up my buddys he's been lending me. I'll post up here to see what I get and the plants on the veganic thread. Cheers. Hope the move is allowing time for BIG Dabs still!

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Thanks for the feeback, cant wait to see your vegan ice wax

Matt Rize said:

oh yeah, rizing up

man, you know your dogs. Caylx is such a good girl. I rescued her a couple years ago.

Thanks for the feeback, cant wait to see your vegan ice wax

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yeah I live in farm country up here so lots of people have mcnabs, they are very smart very nice and VERY brave dogs....

a rescued mcnab? can't get any better than that

morning guys!! edit : nice dog name~! calyx, beeeautiful ....lol, calyx and indica

here is my pile of goodies, its not all of it, only the 73 micron, my 20 micron is somewhere...... damn inspection made me put things everywhere, and i cant find everything!!! it'll come to me

it's not the greatest, cheap bubble bags, yeah yeah, i shouldn't of stinted on them, i just didnt realise there are better quality bags on the market, bubblebagdudes bags work ok, but i think an 8 bag kit would be twice as fun as a 4 bag kit!! what's your thought's matt, or do you think my trim wasn't up to some quality standards, it was given to me, and was probably waaay over done pot, this guy is a bit of a dreamer, and lazy, pulls waaay to late, and i end up with over-matured trim maybe....

blah blah...it's hash, and it smells and tastes ok....not the best, but ok...mixed with some honey oil and its great, if i could only find it i might be able to get some sleep, the hash doesnt make me sleepy like the oil, i always find myself having to lie down no matter where on that yellow heaven

my lil' pile

flowamasta

morning guys!!

edit : nice dog name~! calyx, beeeautiful ....lol, calyx and indica

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Methinks good internet weed name too! The K comes from the spelling of the name of my fav strain I no longer have - Krystal Spike (Kali mist x cindy 99) outta CO. Also, its where the grease grows! Well and on sugar leaves too I guess.

Gonna order some bags now... I think the ones with an extended mesh up the wall to drain faster. Whats you're favorite 5 gal washer everybody?


Matt what's your take on the trimshop's 5 gallon essential 5 bag set's micron size selections? 220/120/70/38/25 (Is there anything important left out for high quality extractions?)(you've said the 120 can be alright but without a 160 wouldn't that not be the case?)
http://www.thetrimshop.org/essential.html

This is Nikka's gear right? I cant wait to see some veganic OG concentrate either!!!

Kalyx said:

Methinks good internet weed name too! The K comes from the spelling of the name of my fav strain I no longer have - Krystal Spike (Kali mist x cindy 99) outta CO. Also, its where the grease grows! Well and on sugar leaves too I guess.

Gonna order some bags now... I think the ones with an extended mesh up the wall to drain faster. Whats you're favorite 5 gal washer everybody?


Matt what's your take on the trimshop's 5 gallon essential 5 bag set's micron size selections? 220/120/70/38/25 (Is there anything important left out for high quality extractions?)(you've said the 120 can be alright but without a 160 wouldn't that not be the case?)
http://www.thetrimshop.org/essential.html

This is Nikka's gear right? I cant wait to see some veganic OG concentrate either!!!

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uh oh here we go. I was hoping I wouldn't have to address this.
Nikka and I are friends. But when he released this line of bags he only did 5 bags. I find this not okay, 8 is the minimum imo. So I didn't get sample bags. I have not tried his line, or compared his to the two that I trust (bubbleman and mila). I have no opinion on the quality or stitching ect ect.

To me 8 bag sets are a minimum for every hash maker. I have a 15 bag custom set that I select from depending on the strain and grow, something I don't really talk about. I use 45, 73, and 120 as generalizations, patients are just becoming comfortable with the micron concept. And some of it is just common sense, and I want you all to find this knowledge on your own. But if you put your trim under a microscope you can get a very accurate idea of what bags to use. And when extraction is complete. You will also see that trichome heads are a small fraction of the overall trichome. These stalks, their thickness and shape, play a huge role in the process. Washing buds that are not broken up very well, is a failing attempt says my microscope.

So we had a little beef over it, and I have not got to test his bags because of it. I can't say either way, but I will say that he would not put his name on a bad product, just not his style from my experience with him.

ps dog's name is caylx, not calyx. switched it up so I can call her cay instead of cal for short, cay sounds more feminine idk..

flowamasta said:

morning guys!! edit : nice dog name~! calyx, beeeautiful ....lol, calyx and indica

here is my pile of goodies, its not all of it, only the 73 micron, my 20 micron is somewhere...... damn inspection made me put things everywhere, and i cant find everything!!! it'll come to me

it's not the greatest, cheap bubble bags, yeah yeah, i shouldn't of stinted on them, i just didnt realise there are better quality bags on the market, bubblebagdudes bags work ok, but i think an 8 bag kit would be twice as fun as a 4 bag kit!! what's your thought's matt, or do you think my trim wasn't up to some quality standards, it was given to me, and was probably waaay over done pot, this guy is a bit of a dreamer, and lazy, pulls waaay to late, and i end up with over-matured trim maybe....

blah blah...it's hash, and it smells and tastes ok....not the best, but ok...mixed with some honey oil and its great, if i could only find it i might be able to get some sleep, the hash doesnt make me sleepy like the oil, i always find myself having to lie down no matter where on that yellow heaven

my lil' pile

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looks decent. you can clearly see the different grades. i could probably pick the 73 bag out... front left. i would process it differently before it dried completely, you know I have my favorite technique using the microplane.

with more bags you will have more grades. your 120 to 160 can be primo, especially from over mature gardens like you say.

mixing hash with oil is called jelly i believe. it does help the hash melt better. uber euro brah. lol

Matt Rize said:

looks decent. you can clearly see the different grades. i could probably pick the 73 bag out... front left. i would process it differently before it dried completely, you know I have my favorite technique using the microplane.

with more bags you will have more grades. your 120 to 160 can be primo, especially from over mature gardens like you say.

mixing hash with oil is called jelly i believe. it does help the hash melt better. uber euro brah. lol

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Thanx matt, much appreciated, and you would be correct insaying that piece was the 73, a few diff grades snuck in, i cleaned it up in panic, and put it all in 1 jar, most of it solid though so i can sort it easily enough... thanx for the info on more bags also, i will have to invest, if you would recommend a brand through e-bay, i will check it out, i love quality also, i rushed into buying these thinking they would be good enough, i found the 20 micron to be the stickiest, and the cleanest, it has that smooth dough look. with my 4 bag kit it is only the 220, 120 73, 20 so my 120 is basically crud, ok in a joint i found, but i don't really like joints.

When i did 1 fresh batch at the start i found the 73 micron to pull the best, i think you my have seen a pic a while back, it still had green in it. more more more bags!!, as i said, i stirred gently with a wooden spoon / metal spoon another time, always freezing cold, and let it rehydrate, all that, i put it down to the bags like you say.

Top fella Matt, it's obvious you love your resins.... when's the last time you had a normal cone?? lol i see you smoke dab like i use tomato sauce

Danks Matt for the quick reply. You caught me just in time, I'm glad I checked back before buying. 8 bag set it is then, with mesh extended up the side for faster draining. Sorry if I brought up anything touchy. I gather all the washers are pretty much the same and a MUST for a pain patient. Thanks again for serving as a guide for healthy extracts.

heh

*dry sift*
/ducks

Matt Rize

heh

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LMAO! Thats the truth in my area. Everyone is SOOOO into the petrochemical model they don't even realize they are forgetting about the UNIVERSAL solvent and P=nRT. Simplify, simplify, simplify, oh yeah and don't blow yourself or your kitchen up BHO white sheeple!

So whats up with extractking.com the website just links to business web bs. Is it more legit to order by phone from them? I can't even see their product offerings or anything on the computer.

Kalyx said:

LMAO! Thats the truth in my area. Everyone is SOOOO into the petrochemical model they don't even realize they are forgetting about the UNIVERSAL solvent and P=nRT. Simplify, simplify, simplify, oh yeah and don't blow yourself or your kitchen up BHO white sheeple!

So whats up with extractking.com the website just links to business web bs. Is it more legit to order by phone from them? I can't even see their product offerings or anything on the computer.

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I think he was ran out of business by Reinhard Delp. I don't know if I've brought this here but its whats real right now. The guy who has the patent on the bags is suing everyone, for a % I think. His battle with Bubbleman aka Freshheadies.com is well documented online. I can dig up the link if there is interest.

Now I get bags from a friend who goes by X-traktor Boxes on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kimberly.schneeman

Check her site, tons of options: http://x-traktor.com/

She makes her bags here in the US, she is the only company I know of doing this.
She does customs, many options on her bags like extended mesh, handles, huge sizes like 60 gallon bags, and bags just for dry ice kif.
The dry ice bags are named after the extractionking.com guy, she has taken over for him. "buddha boppers".
She is a professional seamstress turned hash maker who I've been teaching to water wax.

got the zipcro bag from aqua lab today. and the dabber set. the bag seems very strong , a lot stronger than the old one I had. I'm gonna be doin runs today and dabs

Matt Rize

I think he was ran out of business by Reinhard Delp. I don't know if I've brought this here but its whats real right now. The guy who has the patent on the bags is suing everyone, for a % I think. His battle with Bubbleman aka Freshheadies.com is well documented online. I can dig up the link if there is interest.

Now I get bags from a friend who goes by X-traktor Boxes on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kimberly.schneeman
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Thanks for helping me find some high end gear Matt.
Doesn't it suck when greed (aka capitalism) ruins good and pure things for everyone. I can't believe this Delp guy feels entitled to a royalty on techniques that predate modern industrialism all together. Whats next, he gonna sue REI cause they sell a stuff sack for every sleeping bag they sell! Thanks for not expecting me to mail you a 10% cut of every batch I pull because you showed me how to do it properly!

So I ordered my new gear last night. Couldn't pass up the deal I got from thetrimshop.org up in CO. I was skeptical about their 5 bag essential setup lacking some micron sizes, but I wanted extended walls for faster draining (pain patient). They had such good prices I went ahead and ordered a full mesh 8 bag set as well, so I can use the 190, 160 and 90 full mesh with the essential 5 bag on first runs to see what yields with that specific material. Also I wanted to try and bring something to this thread and will post up on how the essential setup works and if I could've got the purest extractions without the extra full mesh bag set purchase.

If their quality is there, which I believe it will be based on Nik's rep up there, they hook it up. I got:
5 gallon wash machine
5 gallon essential 5 bag set
5 gallon full mesh 8 bag set
Small backup 220 work bag
all for only $403.74 shipped to my door! Best deal I could find without going inferior quality wise. Lets make WAX! safely IN the comfort of our own homes

cant wait to see your results, love a good erb lover, fun fun for everyone!

so I must say... the results with straight bud vs the same strain in shake is STAGGERING..... as soon as it's dried out it's acting like wax :O I'm fucking amazed... thanks for telling me to chop it up into small nuggets, it worked out VERY well, even the 4th run out of teh same bag produced WAX quality with 15% impurity.... I'm gonna run it a 5th time this morning because imo I'm no that picky when its straight chitowns sour kush bud

poplars said:

so I must say... the results with straight bud vs the same strain in shake is STAGGERING..... as soon as it's dried out it's acting like wax :O I'm fucking amazed... thanks for telling me to chop it up into small nuggets, it worked out VERY well, even the 4th run out of teh same bag produced WAX quality with 15% impurity.... I'm gonna run it a 5th time this morning because imo I'm no that picky when its straight chitowns sour kush bud

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Guess I should fill everyone in. He asked in PM how to wash buds. I said chop them up by hand, very carefully, into tiny buds. Expose as much trichome-age as possible.

Matt Rize said:

Guess I should fill everyone in. He asked in PM how to wash buds. I said chop them up by hand, very carefully, into tiny buds. Expose as much trichome-age as possible.

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yep took a bit to figure out hte best techinque for me, everyone will have their own take, but it's best to use scizzors with a sharp edge that aren't fat in any way, so you don't mash any trichs that you don't have to . I ran it 5 times, the 4th run gave nice bubble still, by the 5th I was running into what I would consider unsmokeable. well worth it . . . . I'll have pics up later on.

pics pics!! good to hear man! makes me want to try a run with an oz of outdoor, my outdoor is covered in sparkly resin! does make more sense though, but you honestly wouldn't be getting THAT many people willing to throw oz's in a bucket of water lol me on the other hand hmmmmmm