ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize

Solution


In chemistry, a solution is a homogeneous mixture composed of only one phase. In such a mixture, a solute is a substance dissolved in another substance, known as a solvent. The solvent does the dissolving. The solution more or less takes on the characteristics of the solvent including its phase, and the solvent is commonly the major fraction of the mixture.

Characteristics

• A solution is a homogeneous mixture.
• A solution is a single phase system.
• The particles of solute in solution cannot be seen by naked eye.
• The solution does not allow beam of light to scatter.
• A solution is stable.
• The solute from the solution cannot be separated by filtration (or mechanically).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solution (Italics added by me to point out the important basics)

So lets review (chemistry terms) now class. IWE while in the water is technically a mixture, as the two constituents undergo no chemistry or dissolving at all. Yes this is all wordplay but it is important to get clear info out on the net which is not known for it!
*In the voice of she-ra*
Homogenous means that the two will not settle out by gravity alone or via filtration. IWE in water is not single phase (IWE is solid at low temps, water is liquid at same temps), I can see IWE in water with my naked eye, etc. The last characteristic is the major kicker for this realm however; the solute cannot be separated from the solvent by mechanical filtration, which is what the IWE process is.

IWE = solventless cannabis resin concentrate dab heaven!
BHO= dissolved tainted solvent concentrate, and is never on my nail, ever!

All us IWE artists do appreciate the compliments on a superior (user health too, not just getting faded) product offering!

Okay, damn...even though I rep'd you, you insult me???

That is fine.

I know my product, you know yours.

you do you...I do me..

Kinda ridiculous of you, no?

I've done nothing but compliment you, and the other” hash-masters”

And you STILL insult?..why?

Did I push a” hot button”?...lol..seems I did.?

I know, I pointed out a huge flaw in your ” solventless” theory.

I'm sorry, but unless you are dry sifting, you are USING WATER, WHICH IS
A SOLVENT.

no matter which way you try to get around it, water is used water is known as” The Universal Solvent”.

Let me put it like so,
In theory, you cannot market a product ...

...forget it..you are not following..lol

First before I give my thoughts on the subject of water being a solvent or not, I respect everyones opinion on the matter and just ask to respect mine. That doesn't mean i'm not going to listen to anyone, because I will of course,I just ask to keep it respectful. Also i'm no chemist and no concentrate expert but here are my thoughts..

I can see both arguments pro's, where one says it is a solvent while the other says it is not. I personally don't think it is a solvent simply because it doesn't dissolve the thc, it only separates it from the material. Its like if you take a cup of water and add some salt and stir it, the salt will dissolve but if you add Kief to the water and stirred it, it won't dissolve. Basically the water is just separating it. But that's the way I see it.

THC is NOT "Water Soluble" so how exactly can water be considered a solvent when using to extract THC? Since water doesn't dissolve THC there is no solvent, so wouldn't solventless method be an accurate description? Makes sense to me, but hey, things have made sense to me before and I have been wrong.

That's kinda how I see it too tw2drvn. If the water disolved the THC or changed it's properties then it would make sense, but since it didn't do either of them I see it used more so as a seperating agent more then a solvent.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/solvent

1. able to pay all just debts.

2. having the power of dissolving; causing solution.

noun 3. a substance that dissolves another to form a solution: Water is a solvent for sugar.

4. something that solves or explains.

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While explaination 1 and 4 don't really apply to us, explanation 2 and 3 does. I'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything by posting the defination, it just explains it really well I feel. But like I said, I can see how Sirdabs says it's a solvent because to things like sugar and salt, yes I think it is but to things like THC I don't believe so.

I did not intend for this to be a huge debate, and I must apologize for making it so.

I've said that I agree with all of the opinions with respect and understanding that the water is NOT USED as a solvent.
But the fact remains water is used in the process, correct?

The water is not dissolving the resin, it's merely used to *loosen*and *untie* the resin heads and gravity does the rest.
I do grasp the concept, and the posts sent forth have reflected that.

I'm sorry guys..okay? .I'm actually learning bubble now and plan on making lots and lots of awesome amazing organic bubble.

I admire and respect all that are bubbling now, and I think there was some ill-communication in this post.

Just because my avatar is a nice amber piece of beautiful shatter, does not automatically place me in a specified perspective. Alternatively, I'm not here to argue bho vs iwe.

As I respect both, perhaps a deeper, more passionate love for BUBBLE, yes..bubble. I cannot emphasize that enough.
I'm aspiring to make bubble as my career, my life-style, and my ultimate passion.

So, you see, I'm not here to bash, nor argue.

My initial post reflected that, I thought..haha

So you guys are right okay?..

Btw...I LOVE ice wax


Like I said...super sorry guys..

Carry on.

No need to apologize Sirdabs! We all here to learn from each other just like I learned things from you! Like I said myself earlier too, it's not really a debate or a fight or anything just everyone saying their opinions and such. You are correct about the water but yeah you know about bubble for sure from the pictures I've seen of yours too. Once again, no worries SD! Let's talk about some bubble/IW! Any tips Kalyx/SD/ or anyone for that matter! for someone like myself who is going to bubble for the first time? I'm going to be using 1 oz of trim so how much ice (lbs wise) should I expect to need? I'll be doing it by hand, no machine to work the material so I would really appreciate some tips! Thanks guys and happy smoking!

Here is my dry sift that I am trying to have be full melt! This one was semi melt but it was also a 74u, I will be doing 45u next to see how that goes. The two darker pieces was me removing the kief from the razor I used to gather the kief together.



How the hell are you guys taking such beautiful and crisp pictures? Microscope?

^ Thanks War...you is cool bro...lol

Actually, that particular ice wax picture is not up to my usual standard, in terms of imagery.
(product is different story, haha)

But, believe it or not..my pics are ALL taken with my simple 8mp phone...lol
It will usually take 4-6 shots before I get the” perfect” image.

Its funny because, some people are using 500$+ cameras and ask what I'm shooting with...haha

I take great pride in both my work and the images that capture and remind me of that work.

What type of water are you suppose to use for making ice wax and how do you know if your water is good enough?

RO water and RO ice is recommended you will be very surprised at what a difference pure water can make.

How much ice depends what size container you will be agitating in. Lets say you use a 5 gallon bucket. I would fill it half full with RO ice and trim, layering the trim in the middle. Then you add RO water to a point where the ice just barely unlocks and will spin. AGITATE GENTLY for a short period of time, 5 minutes or less depending how much you agitate! Honestly its been quit a while since I have hand spun. If you over agitate you get bubble, IWE is pure and gently made to prevent the leaf matter from breaking down into small enough pieces to enter the catch bags and contaminate the product.

The 3 basics of Ice Water Extraction as I practice:
1. AGITATE GENTLY
2. Use RO ice water sprayer to rinse the product thru the catch screens
3. Dry the product quickly utilizing a maximization of surface area and proper (cool) temperature and (lower) humidity.
(Never seal IWE that isn't properly dried) yes you can cure IWE and it helps, however I've noticed that this form of concentrate (due to high surface area) has volatile terps etc, and can lose flavor after 3-6 months if it lasts even close to that long!

Oh yeah, work clean and fast and keep it as cold as you can in the work area!
I hear you guys I would love to make IWE my career as Matt has, you gotta know folks with great organic trims to make the best IWE!

Carbon filtered water, don't use tap.Not sure on the exact terminology, but R/O with reservoir.Until I get all that, I've been buying purified water by the gallon.Make your own ice out of the same water.We want clean, consistent water, and that won't come out of a normal tap.

What filter do you use on your hose to get good water?

good water and bad water for making hash.... fucking seriously?!?!?!?!?

thats why you dont reuse water...all the shit u rinse out youll put back in

yea i can see how using ro water would beneficial

@VP
Yes sir, especially if one lives in a rural area.. Tap water is fucking disgusting, right here in the United States of America.

More often than not, out in the” country”, outside of city limits, water is known as” hard-water”..not refined at all...here is the kicker bro..

The water is full of Sulfur, and smells exactly like ethyl mercaptans(rotten egg/FART) stink, and even stains your sink, bathtub with an orange, rust colored tint.

The same principle applies to BHO..

we don't use stinky butane right?

vacpurge usually only has the highest quality of life in canada.

our water sucksss here, i almost hate feeding my plants with it :[ ...

with ice hash though.. i can totally see how clean non smelly water is good :]

Ah yes...The Canadian Water...

That's like equivalent to__________ .....< insert favorite butane brand.