I think it's time to let our govt know we sick of corruption

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happygrits

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Part of this constitutional right was created by Thomas Jefferson in fact to: to protect ourselves against any threat, by local, state or federal government of this country if need be. Jefferson also stated: "I adhor war & view it as the greatest scourge of mankind." Also stated by Jefferson "Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies." I thinks its time to let them know we will not tolerate corruption//tyranny any more!!!


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Twistyman

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I'm tired of politician's treating Gov. like their own personal game of one up manship.... Now you have scooter palin ducking and weaving trying to avoid investigation.... It seems that within a week or so of the exposure of a "new" face on the scene that some scandal, controversy, affair appears...it never stops..
 
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dknob

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People have been letting the gov know forever. The only real way that has ever worked, aside from what Gandhi did, is to start eliminating the problem(s). You can identify problems by looking at their voting record.

Its the only way.
 
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happygrits

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We (the people) have just found out (with in the last year)the extint of this cluster fuck that was allowed to happen.
Now our Mcgov. will let the working class work their asses off for the debt they (gov) created.
 
cleatis

cleatis

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happygrits said:
We (the people) have just found out (with in the last year)the extint of this cluster fuck that was allowed to happen.
Now our Mcgov. will let the working class work their asses off for the debt they (gov) created.
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Isn't that about the damn truth. Last I figured the national debt (maybe a trillion dollars ago) I found that every man woman and child would have to cough up $30,000 to pay it off, that's $120 grand for a family of four, just to pay the a right wing ego/power trip (among other things):spew:

That isn't going to be the people that made the debt paying it off, it's going to be you and me and our children's children.
 
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dknob

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Right wing and left wing, repubs and democrats, they are all pigs and they ought to be treated like pigs. The only way to fix these problems is mass elimination. IT IS THE ONLY WAY


cleatis said:
Isn't that about the damn truth. Last I figured the national debt (maybe a trillion dollars ago) I found that every man woman and child would have to cough up $30,000 to pay it off, that's $120 grand for a family of four, just to pay the a right wing ego/power trip (among other things):spew:

That isn't going to be the people that made the debt paying it off, it's going to be you and me and our children's children.
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cleatis

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dknob said:
People have been letting the gov know forever. The only real way that has ever worked, aside from what Gandhi did, is to start eliminating the problem(s). You can identify problems by looking at their voting record.

Its the only way.
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I don't think anything will do any good aside of something pretty serious like riots or even revolution. It's almost useless to try and make changes through the legal process unless you're wealthy as all hell. People chasing wealth is why most of our laws are as they are. We can vote for this guy or that and in the end they will still be a politician and we will still be the subjects that actually do all the hard work to make it a country.
 
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dknob

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Thats what im talking about. Eliminate all of them. Start over again with a fresh sense of "man I better not be a tyrant, these people will eliminate me"

cleatis said:
I don't think anything will do any good aside of something pretty serious like riots or even revolution. It's almost useless to try and make changes through the legal process unless you're wealthy as all hell. People chasing wealth is why most of our laws are as they are. We can vote for this guy or that and in the end they will still be a politician and we will still be the subjects that actually do all the hard work to make it a country.
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cleatis

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dknob said:
Thats what im talking about. Eliminate all of them. Start over again with a fresh sense of "man I better not be a tyrant, these people will eliminate me"
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But that's the problem. WE can make the change, and corruption will sneak in gradually as it has and in a few generations we'll be pretty much in the same boat again.
 
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dknob

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It will always come back, it always has. But not for awhile if they think they are gonna get hanged upside down and have their throat slit. Eliminated that is. We as a people need to be somewhat volatile when it comes to our rights. As soon as our rights are infringed, the people responsible should cease to exist. But that doesnt happen, so look where we are.
 
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happygrits

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I JUST ASKED MY HUSBAND TO BUY ME GUN iI HAVE NEVER BEEN SOO FIRED UP ABOUT THE STATE OF OUR COUNTRY. A CRYING SHAME!!! OUR FOR FATHERS ARE ROLLING,JUMPING IN THEIR GRAVES. DON'T YOU KNOW IF THE COULD COME BACK THEY WOULD MAKE SURE HEADS WOULD ROLL!!!
 
Twistyman

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What we need is for gov. to adopt a business sense...The minister/secretary of lets say fisheries should have a marine biology degree..transport..how about a civil eng. degree..... And WTF does a lawyer know about Indian affairs... RIGHT PEOPLE FOR THE RIGHT JOB...... shit its not hard to see !!! Gov. has become the equal to a political wall st...they play and get rich....we watch.....and pay.
 
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dknob

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Good. Its best to have enough guns for yourself and a few neighbors and shitloads of ammo. Buy silver and stop drinking tap water (gov puts poison for your brain in it, fluoride)

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I JUST ASKED MY HUSBAND TO BUY ME GUN iI HAVE NEVER BEEN SOO FIRED UP ABOUT THE STATE OF OUR COUNTRY. A CRYING SHAME!!! OUR FOR FATHERS ARE ROLLING,JUMPING IN THEIR GRAVES. DON'T YOU KNOW IF THE COULD COME BACK THEY WOULD MAKE SURE HEADS WOULD ROLL!!!
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Hey, come on guyz ... didn't you hear Biden yesterday? He said: "Its time to step up to the plate and do your patriotic duty." His idea of a patriotic duty is to "Let them take more from you in taxes so the government can redistribute the money."

So, come on ... step up to the plate and send it in!!!

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medicineman

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Uhhhh, "Meet the new boss, same as the old Boss" The Who. circa 1970s, Pretty much sums it up. People with power never give it up voluntarily, and when they are forced to, it is by someone else with power. Even the french revolution created a power vacuum that was soon filled by a committee headed by Maximillien Robespierre, who was Later killed and replaced by other powerful men, etc, etc, etc. Man is not ready for self governence. There will always be someone that wants what you've got (Covenence) and will go to any means to get it, (Greed). As I see it, without divine intervention, man will destroy himself within the next 100 years and that 100 year figure is very optimistic, probably much sooner.
 
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Twistyman said:
What we need is for gov. to adopt a business sense...The minister/secretary of lets say fisheries should have a marine biology degree..transport..how about a civil eng. degree..... And WTF does a lawyer know about Indian affairs... RIGHT PEOPLE FOR THE RIGHT JOB...... shit its not hard to see !!! Gov. has become the equal to a political wall st...they play and get rich....we watch.....and pay.
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I agree with that, with the exception that people in charge have actual experience in field they are in charge of. People with college degrees doesn't make them infallible or even good at it. They need a proven track record in a for-profit business.

My career as been doing work for the Govt., its all about the paperwork and not the job itself. The people overseeing the work have a piece of paper saying they could, but they were clueless and easily money raped. Just keep the paperwork straight.

If our govt was a business they go down faster than the titanic.

We had 2 sayings,

1. They don't worry about the money, taxpayers got plenty. (unfortunately I'm a tax payer).

2. Why do it once when you can do it 3 times and get paid all three. (due to errors in judgment and changes after the fact by the client).
(Doing work twice is a cardinal sin in private industry).
 
cleatis

cleatis

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medicineman said:
Uhhhh, "Meet the new boss, same as the old Boss" The Who. circa 1970s, Pretty much sums it up. People with power never give it up voluntarily, and when they are forced to, it is by someone else with power. Even the french revolution created a power vacuum that was soon filled by a committee headed by Maximillien Robespierre, who was Later killed and replaced by other powerful men, etc, etc, etc. Man is not ready for self governence. There will always be someone that wants what you've got (Covenence) and will go to any means to get it, (Greed). As I see it, without divine intervention, man will destroy himself within the next 100 years and that 100 year figure is very optimistic, probably much sooner.
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I wouldn't say that we need divine intervention. Think of where greed and hunger for power comes from, it comes from the ego. And so long as we have some religion telling us all that we're special, we'll never shed that ego.

Also consider that we're just another animal really. We're born with similar or even like instincts as other animals and we domesticate ourselves into society. We've condensed the state of nature into a society (even though a society is created to get us out of the state of nature), there is still survival of the strongest, it just isn't physical ability ability any more. Part of the solution would be equality, but that plain and simple isn't going to happen.

Now the problems you mention here I can agree with whole heatedly.
 
medicineman

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cleatis said:
I wouldn't say that we need divine intervention. Think of where greed and hunger for power comes from, it comes from the ego. And so long as we have some religion telling us all that we're special, we'll never shed that ego.

Also consider that we're just another animal really. We're born with similar or even like instincts as other animals and we domesticate ourselves into society. We've condensed the state of nature into a society (even though a society is created to get us out of the state of nature), there is still survival of the strongest, it just isn't physical ability ability any more. Part of the solution would be equality, but that plain and simple isn't going to happen.

Now the problems you mention here I can agree with whole heatedly.
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Yes, I am on the fence with divine intervention also. My beliefs in a higher power ebb and flow with the state of mankind. It's hard to believe in a merciful God when you look at the state of the world. It seems to me (no-one can be certain) that if there were a God, he'd step in and straighten this fucking mess out. I've had my personal experiences with Jesus and I do believe Jesus is lord, but someone on his staff needs to get busy and clean up this mess. Otherwise, we're fucking doomed.
 
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happygrits

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happygrits said:
I JUST ASKED MY HUSBAND TO BUY ME GUN iI HAVE NEVER BEEN SOO FIRED UP ABOUT THE STATE OF OUR COUNTRY. A CRYING SHAME!!! OUR FOR FATHERS ARE ROLLING,JUMPING IN THEIR GRAVES. DON'T YOU KNOW IF THE COULD COME BACK THEY WOULD MAKE SURE HEADS WOULD ROLL!!!
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Clarification the heads of the corrupt should fall
This is so weird because I used to be give peace a chance.
 
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dknob

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You'll probably give peace a chance until they force you to do otherwise. Your gun is for protection, and a strong national defense is armed citizens.
 
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