https://growdiaries.com/diaries/8001-lennuts-first-grow Look at week 4. that is all the close up pictures
I Think I have a magnesium any ideas?
- Thread starter Lennut
- Start date
Good luck lennut.
You're on the calmag train. Just like every other coco grower.
Each time you start locking up, you're gonna be adding calmag. Its gonna make your plant better for a few hours, and then start locking out again.
Ive done dozens of runs in coir, never buy the same brands, always use the big salt blocks. I might add ebsom 3 times a grow.
I'm telling you it varies a lot. I've never bought, or buffered my coco.
You were calcium sick, in the biggining, and was directly caused by your calmag. You had calcium toxicity.
You're gonna learn a hell of a lot about plant nutrition, with coir.
What happens to the formation of ions at certain ph ranges???????
Calcium and mag need opposite ph ranges, for the most absorption. A lockout chart will tell you this.
If you're ph is high you get all calcium ions, and no mag. Your ph skyrockets. Thats how i found out it was lime in my water.
Why do you guys think lockouts are called lockouts?????
Its all to do with which ions have formed in your media.
I need to add ebsom for my ph to stay down. It just so happens to contain magnesium aswell. It's a handy buffer.
You gotta know whether you have a mag problem, a calcium problem, a nitrogen problem or all three like calmag. Then you need to know whether its deficient or toxic.
Thats exactly why your runoff tells you what it is.
Ppm and ph tells you everything.
You guys need to do some reading.
You're on the calmag train. Just like every other coco grower.
Each time you start locking up, you're gonna be adding calmag. Its gonna make your plant better for a few hours, and then start locking out again.
Ive done dozens of runs in coir, never buy the same brands, always use the big salt blocks. I might add ebsom 3 times a grow.
I'm telling you it varies a lot. I've never bought, or buffered my coco.
You were calcium sick, in the biggining, and was directly caused by your calmag. You had calcium toxicity.
You're gonna learn a hell of a lot about plant nutrition, with coir.
What happens to the formation of ions at certain ph ranges???????
Calcium and mag need opposite ph ranges, for the most absorption. A lockout chart will tell you this.
If you're ph is high you get all calcium ions, and no mag. Your ph skyrockets. Thats how i found out it was lime in my water.
Why do you guys think lockouts are called lockouts?????
Its all to do with which ions have formed in your media.
I need to add ebsom for my ph to stay down. It just so happens to contain magnesium aswell. It's a handy buffer.
You gotta know whether you have a mag problem, a calcium problem, a nitrogen problem or all three like calmag. Then you need to know whether its deficient or toxic.
Thats exactly why your runoff tells you what it is.
Ppm and ph tells you everything.
You guys need to do some reading.
I agree it’s a calcium issue. Ph I am very on. I make water everyday at work and I am very good at ph the water. As a matter of fact I took my ro water to work and ran through the high dollar machine I have at work. From what I read it’s because of the coco and until the coco absorbs enough in my coco my plant will be robbed of the cal mag I am putting in. This is why I went with foiled feeding to get her the nuts she needs now
Last edited:
Thing is though, your coco is charging, doing that.
One day your CEC's will fill, and you're gonna open up pandora's box!!!!
You're not giving enough runoff. You have to fill and exchange everytime.
Its a little naive of you to think i havn't as well.
Do you think i just make this shit up as i go along?
I figured out for myself half those coco write ups, don't know WTF they're on about.
I read dozens, and dozens.
Studied Horticulture too.
I love growing. Period.
If you're ph is high you get all calcium ions, and no mag. Your ph skyrockets. Thats how i found out it was lime in my water.
Why do you guys think lockouts are called lockouts?????
Its all to do with which ions have formed in your media.
Again..more absolutely horrible and misguided info being spread lol. You are hilarious man..idk where you invent this homemade biology of yours..but it is way off and way wrong! lol..its actually getting funny to read! 'Which ions have formed in your medium?..what in the world are you trying to sound intelligent about lol. Best advice to OP..read and research yourself..you will find the answers in time..don't put much thought into some forum 'gurus' lol..they will kill your plants quickly and teach you nothing at al!
I never thought you haven't read. You brought up reading and learning for yourself as if I wasn't reading. How to turn sand into glass is written on paper but I bet I could show you the tricks I have learned over the years and make it much easier learning curve. This is what I was looking for here and I have already figured out that was a pipe dream...
Studied it.If you're ph is high you get all calcium ions, and no mag. Your ph skyrockets. Thats how i found out it was lime in my water.
Why do you guys think lockouts are called lockouts?????
Its all to do with which ions have formed in your media.
Again..more absolutely horrible and misguided info being spread lol. You are hilarious man..idk where you invent this homemade biology of yours..but it is way off and way wrong! lol..its actually getting funny to read! 'Which ions have formed in your medium?..what in the world are you trying to sound intelligent about lol. Best advice to OP..read and research yourself..you will find the answers in time..don't put much thought into some forum 'gurus' lol..they will kill your plants quickly and teach you nothing at al!
Paid for qualification in horticulture.
Worked in the trade.
If you're putting in ph 5.8, and its coming out 6.5 in your runoff, the CEC in you media is FUCKED.
And does glass have roots, which absorb nutrients and grow?
Glass is dead.
I am not getting 6.5 from 5.8. The only time I got a different reading is when I raised the ph going in to 6.3. I don’t think I ever said myph was different. But I will read back thro maybe I missed stated
No! Both are a complex thing to do and teachable.
It was an example Lennut.
If you feed your coco 6 times a day, and add calmag, you MIGHT get away with it.
Reason i said to not use any, was because you were locking out on both at the time mate.
I didnt know that part until, i knew your runoff ph and ppm.
Do you see what im saying?
Its just another additive like a PK flower booster.
There is a time and place for everything.
Add too much and you get massive ph swings. As long as your runoff is stable, and your plant is healthy, you dont need calmag.
I didnt know that part until, i knew your runoff ph and ppm.
Do you see what im saying?
Its just another additive like a PK flower booster.
There is a time and place for everything.
Add too much and you get massive ph swings. As long as your runoff is stable, and your plant is healthy, you dont need calmag.
Stink Bug
Well-Known Member
If you're ph is high you get all calcium ions, and no mag. Your ph skyrockets. Thats how i found out it was lime in my water.
Why do you guys think lockouts are called lockouts?????
Its all to do with which ions have formed in your media.
Again..more absolutely horrible and misguided info being spread lol. You are hilarious man..idk where you invent this homemade biology of yours..but it is way off and way wrong! lol..its actually getting funny to read! 'Which ions have formed in your medium?..what in the world are you trying to sound intelligent about lol. Best advice to OP..read and research yourself..you will find the answers in time..don't put much thought into some forum 'gurus' lol..they will kill your plants quickly and teach you nothing at al!
Last edited:
Stink Bug
Well-Known Member
I have to agree with Timmy on your glass analogy.
With glass you can make multiple attempts. And have multiple failures and learning moments in a single day. Growing a plant is a much longer term project start too finish. Patience is key. Instant results are just not a part of growing.
With glass you can make multiple attempts. And have multiple failures and learning moments in a single day. Growing a plant is a much longer term project start too finish. Patience is key. Instant results are just not a part of growing.
I used that analogy because of its processes. You have NO clue clearly how the processes goes. I make a water adjustment in my furnace I have to wait 12 to 24 hour to see the results. Lots of things I do at work go hand and hand with this process. Like making water! I have made water for batch for 20 years. I have been cleaning and ph river water for 20 years. Either way the spot have stopped growing! No new grow the last 24 hours. Leaves that are sick didn't recover but no new spots