I need to get this off my chest

nizmo

nizmo

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Ok i have been browsing this forum a long time and if there is one thing i have noticed that really annoys me it's the amount of absolute rubbish that is spouted on almost every single thread i read.

Its not just these forums, its all of them. I see legitimate questions being asked, and then i see people who CLEARLY have no idea what they are talking about recommending things that are not only wrong but are down right damaging.

2 classic examples;

"Yeah bro, you want to cut off all of those big fan leaves so that the light can better penetrate the canopy and you are getting maximum light to your plant".
This makes me laugh every time, and it also makes me feel so sorry for the people who actually take that advice.

"You want to stress your plant before harvest because it thinks its going to die and so it makes heaps more trichomes and becomes more potent".
Bullshit. A healthy plant is what produces quality buds. Why don't you see if you can find some professional growers who go around snapping and beating their plants and watering with freezing cold water leading up to harvest.

What happens is, someone will post a question, and then you have a bunch of people coming up with solutions or ideas based on what they think sounds reasonable to them (nothing based off practical experience or scientific evidence, just straight broscience) which is almost always wrong. Just because something sounds reasonable to you, does not make it a fact and it does not make it a worthy addition to the forums. Before you post, check your facts.
 
DirtyMcCurdy

DirtyMcCurdy

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Plenty of that around here, thats for sure. You'll also get some members who think they know more than the people with degrees do. Thinking they've found some new, unheard of information that no one else has discovered. And that "well known member" tag doesn't mean shit either. When I first came here I thought those members would be offering sound advice, not the case. You'll see some well known members post/ask and just spew out some really stupid shit.
 
Mr.Head

Mr.Head

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It says right in the faq it takes 48 hours to become a well known member with enough likes. But if you ask for them you will be banned.

I can't argue with anything either one of you are saying.

Although, medman does fancy himself a professional grower and advises people to pour ice water on their plants for the last 7 days. Not saying I agree with it at all, in fact I agree that a healthy plant is the best way to get the best bud out of that plant.

Find good threads hang out in them, you will drive yourself nutz trying to stop the spread of bullshit on this forum, or you will get threatened with a ban for trying to "silence people" lol. Noobs need to learn, part of that learning is who to take advice from and how to check post history.
 
Hydrotech364

Hydrotech364

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So what do you suggest,freedom of speech sux sometimes.I wouldnt take any questionable advice unless I had a few opinions.I agree about the FAQ.
 
MrStickyScissors

MrStickyScissors

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nizmo said:
Ok i have been browsing this forum a long time and if there is one thing i have noticed that really annoys me it's the amount of absolute rubbish that is spouted on almost every single thread i read.

Its not just these forums, its all of them. I see legitimate questions being asked, and then i see people who CLEARLY have no idea what they are talking about recommending things that are not only wrong but are down right damaging.

2 classic examples;

"Yeah bro, you want to cut off all of those big fan leaves so that the light can better penetrate the canopy and you are getting maximum light to your plant".
This makes me laugh every time, and it also makes me feel so sorry for the people who actually take that advice.

"You want to stress your plant before harvest because it thinks its going to die and so it makes heaps more trichomes and becomes more potent".
Bullshit. A healthy plant is what produces quality buds. Why don't you see if you can find some professional growers who go around snapping and beating their plants and watering with freezing cold water leading up to harvest.

What happens is, someone will post a question, and then you have a bunch of people coming up with solutions or ideas based on what they think sounds reasonable to them (nothing based off practical experience or scientific evidence, just straight broscience) which is almost always wrong. Just because something sounds reasonable to you, does not make it a fact and it does not make it a worthy addition to the forums. Before you post, check your facts.
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Actually taking some of the fan leafs off isn't bad. I seen some guy strip his plants week 4 in flowering. I will post his link
 
Mr.Head

Mr.Head

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Everyone grows different, some of this stuff does hold some water. But it takes a completely 100% dialed in grow and perfect understanding of the strain you are going to see the benefits, if there is any. I don't see how dumping cold water on a plant does anything other than change it's colour, but maybe I'm wrong. I know I have seen many a grow of expertly defoliated plants producing monster baseball bat buds. Could they have done it without defoliating? They say not, I'll take their experience and pictures of their success as evidence it may be viable.

A lot of this advice given has absolutely no photographic evidence. I've never seen a plant picture of before/after darkness periods do anything other than change colours. I've read some users state that perhaps a dark period would burn threw more of the plant starch reserves and lead to a smoother smoke. That certainly seems more plausible than additional visible trichome production. As has been pointed out countless times how would the new trichomes be at the peak potency like we look for when harvesting our plants?

These aren't techniques for noobs. Telling someone new to strip leaves off their plant is bad advice, just as telling someone new to put a plant in darkness for 5 days is bad advice. There are a lot of things to consider with this stuff that someone new won't take into account because they don't know any better. I've been growing this plant only for a few years, I can grow it, but hardly consider myself anywhere near an expert. I get decent results, but I don't feel I've reached the absolute peak of my gardening abilities. Maybe when I am a pro I'll try some dark periods, nails threw the stem bullshittery :) Ice water feedings and other witch doctor magic to make my great weed super weed.

Right now sitting in my ivory tower I spit on these ideas as tomfoolery :)

There's a few sections of this site where people use google to make themselves out to be something they are not, they confuse people who are new and ignorant into believing everything they say. Things that will negatively impact others gardens. This has been a problem since before I joined and will most likely be a problem long after I am gone. I just wish users were allowed to call these people out as the dangers to the community that they are without repercussions. If someone is being a fucking dangerous idiot they need to be told that, and if they continue they need to be shunned to toke and talk so they can try and bullshit the bullshitters.

 
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nizmo

nizmo

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Hydrotech364 said:
So what do you suggest,freedom of speech sux sometimes.I wouldnt take any questionable advice unless I had a few opinions.I agree about the FAQ.
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Freedom of speech never sucks.

What i suggest is like i said, check your facts before posting something you heard off a mate or that you conjured up in your head because it sounds reasonable to you.

As others have pointed out, its a pointless exercise trying to change the way people act on forums, hence the title of my post - just having a vent.
 
Lord Kanti

Lord Kanti

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Mr.Head said:
Everyone grows different, some of this stuff does hold some water. But it takes a completely 100% dialed in grow and perfect understanding of the strain you are growing to see the benefits, if there is any. I don't see how dumping cold water on a plant does anything other than change it's colour, but maybe I'm wrong. I know I have seen many a grow of expertly defoliated plants producing monster baseball bat buds. Could they have done it without defoliating? They say not, I'll take their experience and pictures of their success as evidence it may be viable.

A lot of this advice given has absolutely no photographic evidence. I've never seen a plant picture of before/after darkness periods do anything other than change colours. I've read some users state that perhaps a dark period would burn threw more of the plant starch reserves and lead to a smoother smoke. That certainly seems more plausible than additional visible trichome production. As has been pointed out countless times how would the new trichomes be at the peak potency like we look for when harvesting our plants?

These aren't techniques for noobs. Telling someone new to strip leaves off their plant is bad advice, just as telling someone new to put a plant in darkness for 5 days is bad advice. There are a lot of things to consider with this stuff that someone new won't take into account because they don't know any better. I've been growing this plant only for a few years, I can grow it, but hardly consider myself anywhere near an expert. I get decent results, but I don't feel I've reached the absolute peak of my gardening abilities. Maybe when I am a pro I'll try some dark periods, nails threw the stem bullshittery :) Ice water feedings and other witch doctor magic to make my great weed super weed.

Right now sitting in my ivory tower I spit on these ideas as tomfoolery :)

There's a few sections of this site where people use google to make themselves out to be something they are not, they confuse people who are new and ignorant into believing everything they say. Things that will negatively impact others gardens. This has been a problem since before I joined and will most likely be a problem long after I am gone. I just wish users were allowed to call these people out as the dangers to the community that they are without repercussions. If someone is being a fucking dangerous idiot they need to be told that, and if they continue they need to be shunned to toke and talk so they can try and bullshit the bullshitters.

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She's kinda hot in that scene.
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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Everybody has a differentbopinion and a differnet style. Thats the way it is with growing. So you ask a specific question and you get a lot of seemingly contradictory answers, which confuses newbs who ask. And they end up going it alone anyway... that has been my experience with forums....

What gets me is how many wannabes are on these forums chiming in about everything, of which they know nothing. These wannabes have read everything about growing but have never grown a fuckin thing and they give advice like experts... thise people need to shut the fuck up.... they are the same ones who get into flame wars and jack other peoples threads...

.... i suppose the best a person can hope for is to find a few knowledgable people here that give trustworthy advice and stick with them...the real growers are spotted easily because their experience will not let them give definative answers, because they know from experience that no two grows are alike and there are always too many variables to be 100% confident that even their own expert opinion might apply. These people generally answer with "could be or maybe in your situation"....

At least that has been my experience...lol
 
Cobnobuler

Cobnobuler

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TriPurple said:
Like anything you read, you can't take one persons advise. You must read many responses, only then will you start to see the truth.
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This is how its done if you come here to try to learn the craft of growing cannabis. That, and the longer you are here you come to realize there are a handful of guys that really know their shit.
You seek out their advice, and you listen to what they say.
I believe it takes at least a few years to really get a handle on maximizing your results.
Other than that, everything else here is just foolin around :)
Oh and welcome to RIU
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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The ice water thing I heard first when growing some purple strains that weren't all that purple. I did not do it and the bud colored up anyway by keeping room temps as low as I could get them. In wintertime in Alaska that isn't too hard. Who is old enough to remember the procedure for dipping plants into a solution of water and colchicine? Colchicine is an anti-gout medicine. You took plants just barely up and dipped them in this crap. About 85% would die from it. The rest? Superweed! I shudder to think of the damage it did to the plants genetic code.
 
A

althor

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nizmo said:
Ok i have been browsing this forum a long time and if there is one thing i have noticed that really annoys me it's the amount of absolute rubbish that is spouted on almost every single thread i read.

Its not just these forums, its all of them. I see legitimate questions being asked, and then i see people who CLEARLY have no idea what they are talking about recommending things that are not only wrong but are down right damaging.

2 classic examples;

"Yeah bro, you want to cut off all of those big fan leaves so that the light can better penetrate the canopy and you are getting maximum light to your plant".
This makes me laugh every time, and it also makes me feel so sorry for the people who actually take that advice.

"You want to stress your plant before harvest because it thinks its going to die and so it makes heaps more trichomes and becomes more potent".
Bullshit. A healthy plant is what produces quality buds. Why don't you see if you can find some professional growers who go around snapping and beating their plants and watering with freezing cold water leading up to harvest.

What happens is, someone will post a question, and then you have a bunch of people coming up with solutions or ideas based on what they think sounds reasonable to them (nothing based off practical experience or scientific evidence, just straight broscience) which is almost always wrong. Just because something sounds reasonable to you, does not make it a fact and it does not make it a worthy addition to the forums. Before you post, check your facts.
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So in other words everyone in the world needs to grow JUST LIKE YOU, got it.
 
ISK

ISK

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@nizmo

problem is that there is no place to go check the facts, as MJ is mostly illegal thus has not received the same professional level of testing that many other legitimate industries have received.

Example, a cigar company gave the University of Japan several million dollars of grant money to conduct a detailed study on tobacco beetles.

The beetle report produced is now considered as undisputed fact, but in our MJ world, we have everyone experimenting and drawing conclusions based on flawed controlled variables.

what may work great in Arizona may not be so ideal in Florida....so the correct answer really depends on the situation.

What one person believes to be correct may be riddled with flaws, but is still his honest opinion
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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I agree that all helpful advice should contain the disclaimer "it works for me" or " it works with my style if grow". As I am a newb at the indoor stuff I always include (or try and remember to lol) include a disclaimer. Also by asking for documented proof you can weed (hehehe) out the wanna be grow gods. I had a real issue with RM3 when he wad riddleme but he has gotten a bit more ethical and not promoting his agenda as much IMO. He has unconventional methods yes but each is willing to try them. I have not so I cannot comment in there validity, although the T5's just didnt do it for me for a whole run, I tried some years ago. Same as defoliation, I honestly dont think it is a great thing for enhancing yield in my setup but cant say definitively that it doesnt work for some. My advice is to ask for examples if in doubt about something and hopefully you'll get a better answer than "its botany, stupid" lol. There was a thread a while ago that had a bunch of farfetched techniques that was quite entertaining.
 
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GrowUrOwnDank

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At the end of the day it's just weed. People try to make out like it's all rocket science. It does not take a genius to grow well. Look around at all the gardeners who grow as a hobby in the world. Veggies, flowers. Fruit trees. Some people even obsess over their grass and spend top dollar to have a beautiful lawn. Me, I'm like man I gotta cut that stuff. But, I have fruit trees including a banana tree and a lime tree I grow in 5 gallon buckets. Why? I don't know. I may or may not ever see fruit. But, I take the time to care for them.

Anyway, spot on about dudes giving advice. Way too many posters spouting off about what they heard or read and have never even tested their methods. It's just weed and this ain't rocket science.
 
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