I have a question for all you veteran growers out there!

DrFever

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Originally Posted by dajosh42069
Alright, was debating posting one of these, but I'm finally caving and doing it anyway.

As the title says, i'm growing;
4x Master Kush (Clones) [100% Indica]
1x Purp Strain (Bagseed) [Unknown]


I'm using Fox Farms Ocean Forest, and they're currently vegging out under 13x 26W CFL's
4x 5000K 1660L, 9x 6500K 1600L (So it rounds out to just under 25000 Lumens in a 4 sq ft area. (The lights themselves are an inch (in some cases less) from the lights,

hahaha i was right fckin noob try 10,000 watts fckn clown like you is what gets me

PS : i forgot to say doesnt matter what you do just doesnt matter just make sure mom doesnt get mad her bill went up 20.00
 

DrFever

New Member
Originally Posted by dajosh42069
Alright, was debating posting one of these, but I'm finally caving and doing it anyway.

As the title says, i'm growing;
4x Master Kush (Clones) [100% Indica]
1x Purp Strain (Bagseed) [Unknown]


I'm using Fox Farms Ocean Forest, and they're currently vegging out under 13x 26W CFL's
4x 5000K 1660L, 9x 6500K 1600L (So it rounds out to just under 25000 Lumens in a 4 sq ft area. (The lights themselves are an inch (in some cases less) from the lights,

hahaha i was right fckin noob try 10,000 watts fckn clown like you is what gets me

PS : i forgot to say doesnt matter what you do just doesnt matter just make sure mom doesnt get mad her bill went up 20.00
dam i forgot i got more power in my clone room
 

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Brick Top

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Since everyone seems to think they're the next fucking mr wizard....


Brick, can you PROVE to me, that you can't fly?
You CAN prove that you CAN fly, but you can NEVER prove to me that you CANNOT.

I mean, you can jump off a cliff and NOT take to the air, but I could argue that you died to protect your secret.
There is no way to prove what things AREN'T, you can prove what they are.
(And before anyone tried to tear that apart, i know he can't fucking fly, it's an example)


So I guess what I SHOULD HAVE SAID, was that you can not prove a negative...
Feel free to argue if you desire, but I don't think i'll be arguing back...since it's really not worth my time.

If a scientist, an inventor one day says he developed an engine that can run off of water, any water, saltwater, freshwater, well water, city water, scummy pond water, swamp water, rainwater, toxic water, polluted water, martian water (if it exists) absolutely any kind of water that exists ... so you fill the tank with water and it doesn't work. The engine is torn down and every single piece of it, electronics and all are checked and in perfect condition so it is reassembled flawlessly and the water tank, which had been emptied and inspected, is filled with water again and once again it does not work. Once again everything is checked .... all is in perfect condition, there are no flaws in anything, including assembly, and no matter how many times it is tried, it does not work.

You disproved what the inventor's design was claimed to be capable of doing. You proved his design/invention does not work.

Also, maybe you missed the message from USC where the word disproved was used. I guess you are more of a Mr. Wizard than the science department at USC.

Towards the Future: Quantum Gravity
Einstein's theory of gravity has never been disproved until now (2004).

http://www-scf.usc.edu/~kallos/gravity.htm



Now what you likely did prove with your message was that your father and mother are also brother and sister.
 

dajosh42069

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DrFever-

You make me sick. You have no fucking idea what your talking about. I was agreeing with Brick in my first post. And was irritated by the rude comments that followed in my second. I agree with him 100% on the 72 hour thing you fucking dolt.

And your obviously one of those people who's so full of themselves, they don't remember what it was to not have a setup completed.
YOU are truly whats wrong with not only this site, but society in general. Without understanding a situation, you've proceeded to butt in, and start saying the worst things you can.

You seem like the kinda person to hear a women say "He hit me!" and run over and start talking shit to whatever guy she's with "Oh what! Try that on me!"
Which SOUNDS noble, except that you have NO FUCKING CLUE whats going on, and if what's being said is even that you thought it to be.
I honestly hope you die in a fire, or in prison, either is likely with the kind of person you are.


Brick Top-
I truly expected more from you. If you disagree with something i've said, please do so in a respectful manner...maybe your used to arguing with people in forums, and brow bashing anyone who says something you believe to be incorrect. But with your "40+ years of experience" I'd certainly hope you learned a little fucking decency.

Shit like....
Brick Top said:
Now what you likely did prove with your message was that your father and mother are also brother and sister.
...is wholly unnecessary.
And reminds me of something my 18 year old sister might say to someone whom she truly despised.

I retract my statement about disproving negatives, simply because i've no interest in discussing things with people who know can't make their points in a decent manner...My "Mr Wizard" comment was in no way comparable to the statements made by you two in your attempts to insult me.

DrFever - Your less then a person to me I've nothing more to say on the matter.

Brick Top - You truly shame yourself in the way you've come to start talking to people. But, have fun picking my post apart into quotes and explaining 1 by 1 why everything I said was wrong and why I'm the bad person.

But I certainly won't be reading it.
 

sso

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dont feed the troll, its a good line.
why? troll comes in anger, trying to start a fight. because hes angry and anger makes you stupid.
you get angry back and the stupidity doubles.
better to let the troll calm down, it can be polite or fuck off.
 

Brick Top

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Brick Top-
I truly expected more from you. If you disagree with something i've said, please do so in a respectful manner...maybe your used to arguing with people in forums, and brow bashing anyone who says something you believe to be incorrect. But with your "40+ years of experience" I'd certainly hope you learned a little fucking decency.
I do need to correct you on something you said before I go on. I am now into my 39th year of growing so if that is the "experience" you were referring too, you were incorrect. If you were talking about toking experience, you're; "40+ years of experience" is close enough since I now have 43 years of that.

As to what you defined as; brow beating." Welcome to the real world sonny Jim. If you're expecting life too be like an episode of Mr. Rogers Neighborhood you're in for a very rude awakening.

Now if I misunderstood your earlier message, I apologize because evidently that was my error. Evidently I missed something in your phraseology because it did not come across as being in agreement. When you finished by saying; "Feel free to argue if you desire, but I don't think i'll be arguing back...since it's really not worth my time" that made what you said appear too be even less in agreement with me because why would I have any reason to argue with you had you just made it clear that you were in agreement with me?

As for decency, I cannot remember the last time I ever heard anyone complain about someone's decency, or lack thereof, and call it; "fucking decency." Since decency means the quality of conforming to standards of propriety and morality tossing in a; "fucking" while on a rant about a lack of decency is rather the opposite of decency, it is somewhat hypocritical, so, which would you prefer too be, the pot or the kettle?

If you don't mind I would like too be the pot. I just like the word better than kettle.


Shit like...
Originally Posted by Brick Top
Now what you likely did prove with your message was that your father and mother are also brother and sister.


...is wholly unnecessary.
Since you showed such incredibly munificent decency towards me by prefacing your message to me with: "Since everyone seems to think they're the next fucking mr wizard...."I thought what I said was fitting. Not necessarily kind, but still fitting. Frankly you were lucky that I was in a good mood at the time or else I likely would have said something very rude rather than just humorously rude.

And reminds me of something my 18 year old sister might say to someone whom she truly despised.
Something tells me that your 18 year old sister and I would hit it off famously.

I retract my statement about disproving negatives, simply because i've no interest in discussing things with people who know can't make their points in a decent manner...My "Mr Wizard" comment was in no way comparable to the statements made by you two in your attempts to insult me.
First, since you seem to be the decency Nazi you should at least had the decency to separate what each of us said from the other and responded to each separately rather than lumping us together. Second, your comment about how you see your; "Mr. Wizard comment" is only your opinion based on how you want it to be seen and how you would like too believe it should have been received by me. Not being on this end of the internet you have no way of knowing how it was received. You give your comment far too little weight, but that could only be expected because after starting out rude and my returning your degree of kindness you now wish to appear to be the injured party.

Brick Top - You truly shame yourself in the way you've come to start talking to people. But, have fun picking my post apart into quotes and explaining 1 by 1 why everything I said was wrong and why I'm the bad person.
Since you have only been here roughly three months I can see why you would not have known that I have not just begun to talk to people like this. I have always talked to people like this if and when they gave me just cause. I have and do here and I do on the other sites I am a member of and I did at sites I used to be a member of that are now defunct. That is one reason why I chose the username Brick Top. Because the character was a straight talking rough old cob who did not mince words and who did not give a damn if he offended someone he did not give a damn about.

If someone treats me well I will be so sweet that I will make sugar taste like salt. But if someone does not treat me well ..... well ... they will not find much pleasure in what I say.

But I certainly won't be reading it.
Do you promise? Will you pinky swear on it? Because in your last message you said; "Feel free to argue if you desire, but I don't think i'll be arguing back...since it's really not worth my time." but I'll be darned .... here you are again ... after saying that it's not worth your time you went ahead and wasted your time and argued anyway.

"Since everyone seems to think they're the next fucking Mr. Wizard," which you proved includes you.
 

mccumcumber

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Brick, can you PROVE to me, that you can't fly?
You CAN prove that you CAN fly, but you can NEVER prove to me that you CANNOT.

I mean, you can jump off a cliff and NOT take to the air, but I could argue that you died to protect your secret.
There is no way to prove what things AREN'T, you can prove what they are.
The way you are defining proof is totally incorrect. Yes he can prove that he can't fly because he is a human, humans cannot fly they don't have that capability QED. Magic does not apply to the real world, and it most certainly does not apply to proofs.
(And before anyone tried to tear that apart, i know he can't fucking fly, it's an example)
The fact that you would use that as an example is setting yourself up for failure. You are proving that you have no idea what the word proof means.
So I guess what I SHOULD HAVE SAID, was that you can not prove a negative...
Yes you can prove a negative. I will use my addition example again.
Theorem: 2 + 2 != 5 (!= means does not equal)
Definition: A number N's value is defined by the collection of elements in its set, e.g. 2 is the set containing the empty set and two unique elements. (The empty set's numerical equivalent is 0, every set contains the empty set, this is an axiom. For future reference, assume that the empty set is contained in each set.)
Definition: Addition of numbers N and M will give a set R that has all the elements of each set N and M in it. e.g. The sum of 3, the set containing three unique elements, and 2, the set containing two unique elements, is a set with five unique elements, or the number 5.
Proof: This proof will be done by contradiction. Assume 2+2=5
From the definition above we know that 2+2 is equal to the set with 4 unique elements or 4, which gives:
4=5
Using the definitions above we can state that the set containing 4 unique elements is equal to the set containing 5 unique elements. This is a contradiction, therefor 2+2!=5 QED. We have proven that 2+2!=5, OR, if you would like to phrase it differently, we have disproved, through contradiction, that 4=5.

That is the proper way to prove something. You can't just pull shit out of your ass like bricktop can fly, he maybe holding back some secret. That's an incredibly stupid example. There are axioms, undeniable truths, that apply to everything in our Universe. You use these axioms to prove other truths about occurrences that happen in our Universe. Using axioms is also how you disprove a credited theory in our universe. If a theory violates a newly discovered axiom, then the theory must be altered to work with all of the known axioms. Look at gravity, it went from Newtonian gravity to General Relativity because Einstein discovered that time is a dimension and that the fastest anything could travel is the speed of light. Newton's idea that gravity is instant was found to be untrue, so Einstein disproved Newtonian gravity and proved his theory of General Relativity, which is now found to violate another newly found axiom. It's how we develop theories, if you're not following the correct manner in which to prove something, then you aren't saying anything.

If you try to prove something without use of an axiom, like humans can fly, you're already barking up the wrong tree. Lots of teenage "philosophers" have a tendency to do this. Try to prove something while ignoring axioms completely, saying something like: "you never know, it could happen." Problem is, we do know. It's fine to voice an opinion, but you should know what you're talking about before starting an argument.
 

Justin00

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i will also give BrickTop props, all info he game me when i started growing and having probs was spot on. thats not to say i would folo his every command, but you can bet if he say it it will work to some degree. his statements on here do not seem at all over the top and he offers fairly reasonable proof to support his methods. It also seems like there is little to no down side to this even if there is no benefit. Am i going to expierment with it on this grow? most likely not since i don't have a control room set up to personally validate my results but will i try eventually ... For SURE.

Im also messing around with some UVB CFLs this round and interested in what effects UVB + 72 hours dark could lead to.
 

Jack Larson

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Well, after an exhaustive search, I have found several quotes about this study that the Stitching Institute did. However, after being unable to procure the actual study itself and the results, I decided to contact the institute directly and was told all postings of this study and its findings had been completely removed from the internet as the result of a lawsuit. And that they could not elaborate. Well, this has peaked my interest even more. Why would anyone sue over the results of a study? In the end, just because the study isn't available, doesn't mean that the findings are any less valid.
 

DrFever

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well i just finished with 3 days lights off and i am very pleased with it all buds were tight as hell and sticky wish i had a decent camera to take close-ups but i believe it works and if it doesnt whats three more days waiting for the dreaded trim which i cant stand anyways :))
 

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Jack Larson

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Turns out the specific study may have had nothing to do with the lawsuit, per se, but rather money as usual...
Holland: Lawsuit
The Stichting Institute of Medical Marijuana (SIMM) announced on 3 February that it has filed a lawsuit against the Office of Medical Cannabis of the Health Ministry. The SIMM was one of the two legal providers of medical cannabis for the Office and now believes that the Office of Medical Cannabis has acted unfairly in terminating the contract with the SIMM, leaving Bedrocan the only supplier. SIMM said it made a very large financial investment in order to comply with government standards of producing medicinal cannabis and now has suffered tremendous financial loss. (Source: Press release by SIMM of 3 February 2005)
 

Wolverine97

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Turns out the specific study may have had nothing to do with the lawsuit, per se, but rather money as usual...
Holland: Lawsuit
The Stichting Institute of Medical Marijuana (SIMM) announced on 3 February that it has filed a lawsuit against the Office of Medical Cannabis of the Health Ministry. The SIMM was one of the two legal providers of medical cannabis for the Office and now believes that the Office of Medical Cannabis has acted unfairly in terminating the contract with the SIMM, leaving Bedrocan the only supplier. SIMM said it made a very large financial investment in order to comply with government standards of producing medicinal cannabis and now has suffered tremendous financial loss. (Source: Press release by SIMM of 3 February 2005)
Got a link?
 

Brick Top

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http://www.medicalmarijuana.org/Press_release_February_2005.doc

This time the google search took me to a different doc. which goes into a bit more detail. Pretty interesting...I imagine the study we have been discussing was costly and that's why the study is no longer available on the web, as it is part of the litigation.
That would explain why I have never been able to find it again. I used to have the entire study findings, years back. I found it some time before the original Cannabis World went down and that was, if I remember right, in Jan. of 2006, and I found it over a year before that.

I had heard there was a lawsuit but I never read any details about it and never put two and two together as the one was the reason for the other to be impossible to find again.
 

Jack Larson

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I'm sure there must be a copy of this study Somewhere...whether on disc or on paper. I'm gonna keep looking. I'll probably start by going over the old Over Grow archives. Any other suggestion? I'm on a Mission from God just like Elwood!
 

Brick Top

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I'm sure there must be a copy of this study Somewhere...whether on disc or on paper. I'm gonna keep looking. I'll probably start by going over the old Over Grow archives. Any other suggestion? I'm on a Mission from God just like Elwood!
And Jake ... don't forget Elwood's brother 'Joliet' Jake.

I am positive the full study exists, but I have searched and searched and searched to find it again and I have been unable to. When I found it the first time it took FOREVER and was finally found on something like page 80 of a Google search .. and then it was one of those sites where they show an abstract and I had to pay something like $20.00 to be able to download the full study.

I doubt it is on the net any longer. Someone somewhere might have it on disc, but if anyone here had it on disc, or on any other site like this that I used to or now do hang out on where the topic has come up NUMEROUS TIMES, someone would have posted it long before now.

In my case it is one of those wanting to kick myself in the ass for not saving it to disc things. Just like when I lost YEARS of collected information and research and links all about growing when my computer died last December I lost the study when I ended up with a virus I could not remove and the local techies could not remove and nothing on my drive could be salvaged and the only thing to do was to reformat my drive ... and poof ... it was gone. Like my computer dying last December I wrongly had faith that I would not have a major problem and lose everything .... but I did and I have tried repeatedly, spending hours at a time searching, and I have not been able to find the information again.

But if I ever do ... I will post it in a split second and put an end to all the claims that say it's all bull .. an likely crow a bit while doing so.
 

homebrewer

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But if I ever do ... I will post it in a split second and put an end to all the claims that say it's all bull .. an likely crow a bit while doing so.
That would be great. But in the meantime, you should put an end to your claims that it actually does work ;).
 
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