HydroRed's Horticultural Whorehouse

HydroRed

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Its looking like its gonna be a bit before I can start my REG seed run. Im waiting on my Bodhi order to ship from my Nov 27th order from Great Lakes Genetics. I'm literally less than an hour drive from them.
I gotta get all my REG gear ran at the same time since it will likely be a loooong time before I decide to do a REG seed run again.
 

ChaosHunter

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Its looking like its gonna be a bit before I can start my REG seed run. Im waiting on my Bodhi order to ship from my Nov 27th order from Great Lakes Genetics. I'm literally less than an hour drive from them.
I gotta get all my REG gear ran at the same time since it will likely be a loooong time before I decide to do a REG seed run again.
Red how are you going to sex them out ? Put them in a flower cycle before up potting ? My potting scedule is Jiffy or rock wool cube, solo cup, 1 gal transplanter then 3 gal pot. I would like to sex them in the solos but they may be too young.
 

HydroRed

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whats your flood schedule?
I believe its 15 min every 3 hrs lights on and (1) 15 min flood during lights off just to keep the bottom of my flood tables wet since mine dont sit on any kind of grating.
Red how are you going to sex them out ? Put them in a flower cycle before up potting ? My potting scedule is Jiffy or rock wool cube, solo cup, 1 gal transplanter then 3 gal pot. I would like to sex them in the solos but they may be too young.
Thats exactly what I'm going to do. I'll start everything in rapid rooters and a dome tray in the momma room, then when rooted I'll transplant into solo cups with hydroton and place under 12/12. As the girls are found, they will get transplanted to the 1gal pots I normally flower in and go into the momma room getting hand watered til the rest of sexing is done. Once all the girls are found, I'll remove them from the momma room & put them back on the flood tables and switch my big lights to 24 hrs until they reach about 4-5 nodes then I'll flip em back to 12/12 and flower out as normal. Kinda an odd work around since I really dont have a dedicated "veg" room or a table to flood them on in the momma room. Depending on how many girls are found will also dictate how long I will veg too.
I think you should be able to sex them in the solos no problem. You can begin 12/12 from seed sprout if you wanted to then bounce back to veg once they all reveal since space is of a premium.
 

ChaosHunter

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I believe its 15 min every 3 hrs lights on and (1) 15 min flood during lights off just to keep the bottom of my flood tables wet since mine dont sit on any kind of grating.

Thats exactly what I'm going to do. I'll start everything in rapid rooters and a dome tray in the momma room, then when rooted I'll transplant into solo cups with hydroton and place under 12/12. As the girls are found, they will get transplanted to the 1gal pots I normally flower in and go into the momma room getting hand watered til the rest of sexing is done. Once all the girls are found, I'll remove them from the momma room & put them back on the flood tables and switch my big lights to 24 hrs until they reach about 4-5 nodes then I'll flip em back to 12/12 and flower out as normal. Kinda an odd work around since I really dont have a dedicated "veg" room or a table to flood them on in the momma room. Depending on how many girls are found will also dictate how long I will veg too.
I think you should be able to sex them in the solos no problem. You can begin 12/12 from seed sprout if you wanted to then bounce back to veg once they all reveal since space is of a premium.
Good call on 12/12 from seed. That would allow me to pop 4-5 beans. All I have is a flower tent and am pre veging on my dome tray on a wire shelf in my area.
 

HydroRed

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Good call on 12/12 from seed. That would allow me to pop 4-5 beans. All I have is a flower tent and am pre veging on my dome tray on a wire shelf in my area.
You'd have to deal with another 2 wks or so on your total time by reverting back to veg after sexing but it should save valuable space by sorting out the males and not wasting time etc on them before they get big or repotted. Fair trade I guess for guys like us set up for FEM runs.
 

ChaosHunter

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I'm thinking the extra time is fine. Pop the beans when the tent is flipped with fems in it. I can always throw a timer on the little McGyvered veg light I made.
 

psychadelibud

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I think you would be better off just sexing them out in half gallon to one gallon containers rather than start them 12/12 from seed.

Depending on strain and lineage you are sexing and then reverting back to veg, you can stumble upon many problems. This is not always the case but I will lay out two different scenarios, this is based on personal experience.

Scenario #1...

You start the seeds in small nursery trays (in my opinion and exp. the smaller area and volume of soil the seed is germinated in and where it spends it's first week to week and a half of growth, the quicker the seedling will grow) so think like this -->>> A seed started and spending it's first week to week and a half in a small nursery container will have faster growth rates than one started in larger container with a larger volume of soil. I believe the reason for this is because with the smaller area of soil the roots stretch out to the end of the soil and reach the "air layer" between the soil and the side of the container it is in, in turn giving it more oxygen to the roots than if it were in a large container and taking much longer to reach that "air layer". Starting seeds in a nursery flat allows more frequent waterings and less of a chance of over watering keeping the plant from stalling as often and allowing a faster transplant and in my experience each transplant always gives growth explosions.

Once you transplant from your germination tray or "solo cup" in your situation, after a week and a half transplant to a half gallon container. Within 30 days or a little longer in some cases you will see the plant has shown sex.

Most often a plant will sex quicker in a smaller container than it will a larger, just the same as flowering a plant in a smaller container will allow the plant to flower and finish a few days earlier than a plant that has room for root growth. I have left many mother plants in small containers and regardless of the light schedule they are under wether it be 18/6 or 24/0 cycle they will start flowering when they become overly root bound.

Sorry for going so deep into this and if I rambled too long about anything unnecessary. But point Is, start the regular seeds in a small container, after a week or week and half transplant to half gallon to one gallon container (depending on how many you have or if you have room to allow it), and do your best to not over water. This will allow you the quickest growth rates and the quicker they grow the sooner you will see sex on display.

Scenario #2...

You start the seeds 12/12 from seed and they still show sex in almost the same amount of time as scenario #1. If you get lucky you may see sex a week sooner. But here is the catch on that... And keep close in mind I have TONS of experience with this.

Sometimes the plants sexed from 12/12 from seed have went too deeply into the flowering process and built up so much flowering hormone that it can become a bitch to revert back to veg. I have seen them bounce back in little as one week and then I have seen them take up to over a month even under 24/0 veg and hefty nitrogen feedings introduced as well. A lot of times I have even seen this revert cause mutations in growth during the transition which is normal to some extent but at times I have seen them not come out of it and cause leafy, stringy bud growth patterns. This is not always the case but it is possible. I have done many reveges from sexing to revegging keepers that I had not got previous cuts from to create a mother.

However, sometimes I intentionally force a known mature female plant to flower after sexual maturity is naturally determined, then once she begins to flower I flip back to 24/0 hours to create a process which is known as "monster cropping" and this turns the plant into an insanely branchy bush that has its advantages if trained and pruned correctly, especially outdoors. But there is a "sweet spot" so to speak when you need to flip it from 12/12 back to 24 hour veg and if you miss that sweet spot you could have a long process in reverting on your hands that is definitely not for the impatient.

This is just my opinion, but in your case, I would just veg the plant for a week under 24/0, second week under 18/6 and then drop to 16/8 for the third and fourth weeks then once you see the exposure of genitals, I would immediately go back to 18/6 for a week then to 24/0 after a week of 18/6, giving it a heavier nitrogen feeding and a good dose of root growth stimulator "Real Growers ReCharge works excellent for this" once you start increasing the light cycle again.

Hope this helps, and hopefully the lengthy explanation doesn't bore you!
 

ChaosHunter

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PDB years ago I was growing is the same size space your building now. I had a 50 plant count in two rooms and a smaller veg room. This was in the state below you, helicopters flying and often hovering above, task force constantly pulling me over etc. it got just way to hot to continue and I moved and moved on not growing or smoking for several years.

Now I moved again and retired legit. I'm micro compared to what's on here and what I used to do. I'm in one 2x2 tent and no room for more. I Use and have one Prop tray/dome for starting seeds. I've always sexed by age and never forced 12/12. I have thought about cutting lowers and putting them in a glass of water with super thrive or MC added and putting them in 12/12 also.

I use 1gal fabric transplanter pots and 3gal fabric for flower = no root bound.
 

natasdaisy

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I sex regular seeds in solos all the time and ive been popping new seeds every 3 weeks or so lately pheno hunting. I throw them in the flower room after 2nd set of true leaves until they show sex, usually under two weeks i check them everday. males show faster generally.
by this time they are usually 4-5 nodes and big enough to take one clone off ( I do hydro but start seeds in soil so i need a clone to go into hydro)
If you are able to spot preflowers quick enough and put them back in veg they dont go full flower mode and dont require revegging. takes some practice but im pretty good at spotting preflowers now and almost never have them start to bud out then get that funky reveg growth.
 

DesertHydro

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Red how many would you suggest on a full 4x4 table with your no veg time. I'm running the numbers and wheels are turning. Gonna have a bunch of spare clones since my aero cloner is kicking some ass
 

HydroRed

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Red how many would you suggest on a full 4x4 table with your no veg time. I'm running the numbers and wheels are turning. Gonna have a bunch of spare clones since my aero cloner is kicking some ass
I can fit about 5 plants per tub (x2 tubs per table=10 plants per table) in 1 gal net pots. You can likely get away with more by using smaller net pots and keeping side branching cut down to promote 1 large main cola -think sea of green.
My "comfortable" number per table has been 8 with my exact setup, but mine isnt really set up to maximize space like 1 large 4x4 flood table so you can probably smash my weight numbers and plant count with a legit 4x4 table.
Glad to hear your having good success with the aerocloner!
 

HydroRed

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god damn it red. you're gonna get me in trouble :)
my wife is gonna kill me when she looks in the spare and theres another tent in there lol. FML
at least the aerocloner is working haha
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Damn....I just noticed the air cooled hood with cobs -LOVE IT! I had thought about doing that as well. I've have a couple ideas on builds for air cooled cob hoods I've drawn up.
 

DesertHydro

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Damn....I just noticed the air cooled hood with cobs -LOVE IT! I had thought about doing that as well. I've have a couple ideas on builds for air cooled cob hoods I've drawn up.
it was a cake walk if you like DIY stuff. take out your glass, get it measured and go down to a local metals shop and have them cut out some eight inch aluminum sheet to size. this was my first one. probably not my last. gotta do something with all my old shitty hoods when this grow is over.

i made a lot of mistakes design wise when making this. for some fucking reason i thought i had to drill holes and sit the cobs through it. it was a temporary lapse in intelligence. i would have been far better off by not fucking with the holesaw (which was the hardest part of the whole damn project) and simply mounting the COB/holder to the sheet itself and attaching the heatsink to the back of the sheet above the COBs. lesson learned. next ones will be easy as hell.

cant find my pics of the internals but i will take some pics while im there later.
 

DesertHydro

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whats your average yield per plant when you do this? ive got some strains that throw donkey dicks if you dont top them so i think they would do great in this setup. plan will be to cut off all side branches and run a phallus farm
 

HydroRed

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One of my lowest so far was my latest harvest at little under 1.5 each. I've had gg4 runs that dont yield much but it top notch. Its hard to reall gauge weight between so many different strains. I dont do it for weight (obviously) but just for ease of growing & technique and the fact I can mono crop and still try many new strains in a short period of time without investing too much time & energy on them. Its a win/win for me.
 

HydroRed

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Table #2 Kosher Kush w/ Mega Crop
29 days since 12/12
31 days since transplant
PPM is at 453 and pH is at 6.2
I have been topping off since res change with water from dehumidifier which is 10ppm and pH of 5.0 which has been working wonderfully to keep drift up exactly where it needs to be in the sweet spot from 5.7-6.3.
Tonights fresh water top off will be the last until next res change which is the 15th I believe.
Its only 4 weeks in and Im sold on MC already. Im certain if I used other things along with MC I could beast a plant out for real.
I know there are multiple factors, but I can see a noticable difference between this run and last run of the Kosher Kush.

Kosher Kush @ 29 days w/ Mega Crop (current run)
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Kosher Kush @ 48 Days with GH 3 Part & Booster (previous run)
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