Hydro Nutrients Reviews

mpdegn

Well-Known Member
Not sure if anyone has started something like this before, but I'm just curious as to what hydroponic nutrients the majority of you guys uses and where you have ordered/bought them. I'm sure this thread is going to help people make up their minds when it comes to buying nutrients.

I'm just looking for some brief posts in a simple format....

Nutrients:
Price:
Website (if ordered online):
Comment: please include how long they last


I'm gonna go ahead and start.
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Nutrients: Holland Secret Grow-Micro-Bloom

Price: $13/bottle. I bought the whole set (3 bottles) so I payed around $40.

Website: None, I bought them at the hydro store

Comment: I like them, but as soon as you start using the Bloom nutrient you will notice a sudden drop in PH, even though the makers of Holland Secret claim that PH adjustment becomes obsolete with their product. The whole 1qt/bottle set is going to last from veg to harvest unless you grow unusually big plants.
 

GringoLoco

Well-Known Member
Nutrients: Cutting Edge Solutions (http://www.cuttingedgesolutions.org)
Price: ~$110 Quart lineup (Micro, Grow, Bloom - Uncle John's, Plant Amp, Mag Amped - the additives far outlast the base nutrients)
Website: Worm's Way
Comment: Having run numerous lineups including General Hydroponics, Botanicare, Flairform, Dutch Masters, House and Garden, etc. I found that not only did plants grown with CES outperform the other lineups, it is actually the most economically priced one. I also run their feed schedule at half strength which makes it last even longer.

Why I like this lineup?
  • pH stability (intial swings which naturally level out)
  • Little to no salt build-up
  • Plants show little to no burn or deficiency
  • Last but not least, amazing results!
 

mpdegn

Well-Known Member
@Bud Greenley could you at least tell us what set you got and how much you paid? Stick to format dude, I don't get anything out of your response.
 

bigwheel

Well-Known Member
Nutrients: Botanicare CNS 17
Price: 27 bucks per gallon

Website (if ordered online): Plug it into Google and get a bunch of hits. Can be bought at any hydro store.
Comment: 3 gallons needed. Grow, bloom and ripe. Lasts a good while. Makes it grow like a mofo in all stages then starves the offending weed to death toward the end. Plain water flush once a week since it's not organic. Not sure it needs flushing at all but no doubt it helps most folks feel better on the inside to flush it.
 
Nutrients: Advanced Nutrients Micro-Grow-Bloom Base Fertilizer Package Price: $37.66 - 1 Liter set Website (if ordered online): http://www.advancednutrientsonline.com/proddetail.php?prod=m-g-b&cat=5 Comment: These will work for light feedings, though I tend to buy more than the one liter set. This is a good starter pack for the beginners. I think it works well to establish a strong nutritional base without having to add additives unless you really want to ramp up the grow. Plants grow quickly and easily, in my experience. Cool idea for a thread.
 

fatman7574

New Member
I formulate and mix my own for about $2 to $3 a gallon for a 100x concentrate. Cost about $12 a gallon max buying the salts in small quantities. There are only a bit more than 2 pounds of fertilzer in the typical 1 gallon bottle of retail mj nutrients. Their cost to manafacture? Less than $1 per gallon for the typical 2 or 3 part formulas. Kinda makes one thing WTF? For the typical person running a small RO filter, once you add in the sewage fees for your water and the fact that it takes 4 to 5 gallons of water to make one gallon of RO water then it should cost more for your nutrient water bill then for the nutrients. That is definitely not the case when you buy retail mj specific fertilizers.

Read this thread: https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/268790-lucas-formula-recipe-scratch-really.html
 

Touchet

New Member
I use Dutch Master Gold Line Nutrients and Gold Line Liquid Light and Saturator for foliar feeding

http://www.dutchmaster.com.au/?language=english&page=product&product=GOLD_RANGE_NUTRIENT

product: grow A&B, cost $14/bottle, add .27 grow, cost $24/bottle
product: flower A&B, cost $14/bottle, add .27 flower, cost $24/bottle
product: Liquid Light, cost $46/bottle
product: Saturator, cost $34/bottle

bottle = 1 Litre

Total cost= $184.00 + tax

Purchased: locally

Comments: I flush once a week to keep roots healthy and this is done during the tank change/clean. Lasts a long time. Has an online interactive nutrient calculator for all feeding products, easy to use for beginners. Awesome results are located in the journal folks.
 

fatman7574

New Member
I use Dutch Master Gold Line Nutrients and Gold Line Liquid Light and Saturator for foliar feeding

http://www.dutchmaster.com.au/?language=english&page=product&product=GOLD_RANGE_NUTRIENT

product: grow A&B, cost $14/bottle, add .27 grow, cost $24/bottle
product: flower A&B, cost $14/bottle, add .27 flower, cost $24/bottle
product: Liquid Light, cost $46/bottle
product: Saturator, cost $34/bottle

bottle = 1 Litre

Total cost= $184.00 + tax

Purchased: locally

Comments: I flush once a week to keep roots healthy and this is done during the tank change/clean. Lasts a long time. Has an online interactive nutrient calculator for all feeding products, easy to use for beginners. Awesome results are located in the journal folks.
Insane prices.

For an example:
Dutch Masters Liquid Light
ppm
Nitrogen 15
Phosphorus 110
Potassium 269
Magnesium 29
Calcium 5
Sulfur 38
Iron .30
Zinc .30


Ounces

Potassium Nitrate 4.8
Calcium Chloride .2
Iron Chelate .04
MonoPotassium Phosphate 6.9
Magnesium Sulfate 3.9
Zinc Sulfate .017

Volume of Stock Solutions 1
Dilution Rate 100

Total Fertilizer Salt Weight 16.01 ounces

Nice, you pay $46 for a liter of a product that costs them less than a 27 cents for the fertilizer salts it contains (IE all 4.285 ounces of it). High retail cost for the salt ingrediants about $5 for a full gallon. That means including shipping the cost would be about $4 per liter for you to produce.

Yepper, nothing like the mj specific nutrient manafacturers rapeing growers. Sad.
 

Touchet

New Member
While I agree with the cost being high, I would use nothing less.
And here's a few things that help justify the cost of my nutes in my own head.
"6 Years Of Technological Advancements In 1 Product!"
I don't have 6 years to waste.

"Dutch Master only uses the best available British & US Pharmaceutical & Laboratory Reagent grade chemicals, phyto-nutrients & aminos when making Gold Range NUTRIENT!"
_ I have no access to such things.

" Every batch is independently lab tested for consistency prior to bottling so we can guarantee that the next bottle of Gold Range NUTRIENT you buy is identical to the last!"
- again, I have not the time nor patience for such testing.

"By providing a unique ionic charge to the elements contained within Gold Range NUTRIENT, we unlock nature’s awesome genetic power!"
- how again would you propose I add the correct ionic charge to my mix of home made nutes??

The product you jumped on was for foliar feeding so I would guess the PPM would be much less than that of the regular nutrients. Then again, I'm no scientist like fatman. Also in regards to that product being so cheap and easy to produce for you, why aren't you using it? I use Liquid Light and Saturator for foliar feeding and my plants are freaks! How about this, before you judge a product, learn something about it first. You seemed to have slipped over things like "ionic charged nutrients", "foliar feeding" as well as the most obvious fact, my journal. There are plenty of pics of my plants using this entire feeding program. They are all magnificent. As a matter of fact I posted a challenge in my thread, anything organic based for foliar feeding against my Liquid Light. You name it and I'll buy it.

I went to 6 sites for growers before resting my flowers here. Of ALL 6 sites NO ONE has shown me plants that look like mine. Until they do I will keep using this high priced stuff imported from Holland and reaping the rewards.

Check the journal if you think I'm kidding one slightest bit

I pay for science, convenience, and NO GUESS WORK! Perfect for a new indoor grower, not "sad" by any means.
 

GringoLoco

Well-Known Member
Won't argue that the nutes might work for you, but most canna specific nutrients companies highly over price their products due to the "market" they sell to; you know they are saying to themselves, "these guys will pay anything".
I've had just as "amazing" results with piss and miracle grow as I had when I ran DM. Nutes are only one of many factors that will determine the end result, with genetics being one of the most important ones IMHO.
 

fatman7574

New Member
While I agree with the cost being high, I would use nothing less.
And here's a few things that help justify the cost of my nutes in my own head.
"6 Years Of Technological Advancements In 1 Product!"
I don't have 6 years to waste.

"Dutch Master only uses the best available British & US Pharmaceutical & Laboratory Reagent grade chemicals, phyto-nutrients & aminos when making Gold Range NUTRIENT!"
_ I have no access to such things. Would you like the those links posted to this thread also.
" Every batch is independently lab tested for consistency prior to bottling so we can guarantee that the next bottle of Gold Range NUTRIENT you buy is identical to the last!" I very highly doubt it. I dubt they even havetheequipment to do the testing.
- again, I have not the time nor patience for such testing. Yeah, right.

"By providing a unique ionic charge to the elements contained within Gold Range NUTRIENT, we unlock nature’s awesome genetic power!" That's funny.
- how again would you propose I add the correct ionic charge to my mix of home made nutes?? By following the simple recipies provided my me or many others capable of formulating nutrient recipes. It is not rocket science.

The product you jumped on was for foliar feeding so I would guess the PPM would be much less than that of the regular nutrients. Your wrong again. Only a few nutrients are evem suppied with most foliar formulations. The ones supplied are actually supplied my DM at ppm's that are to high. That is why you have overly lushgrowth. I am not sure why you believe lush folaige growth in mj is a good thing. Then again, I'm no scientist like fatman. It does not require you to be a scientist to learn about nutrient chemistry or to mix your own nutrients given a recipe. It only requires you to be willing to leran and to quit supprting those manafactures charging huge mark ups just because they can. So in regards to that product being so cheap and easy to produce for you, why aren't you using it? Be cause it is not a good product or a needed product. I use Liquid Light and Saturator for foliar feeding and my plants are freaks! That they are, but I do not consider freaks a good thing. How about this, before you judge a product, learn something about it first. I know how to read a fertilizer anlaysis and I also have a degree in chemistry and teach a courses in aquatic chemistry and carbonate chemistry. I imagine I have a better understanding of the DM nutrient formulations then thse mixing and selling them Dude. You seemed to have slipped over things like "ionic charged nutrients", Dude, you obviously do not know what ioniccaly cgarges nutrients means. "foliar feeding" I am not an ignorant child Dude. as well as the most obvious fact, my journal. Some photos of some poorly grown planys supplied with too much nitrogen is not somethinh that impresses me Dude. There are plenty of pics of my plants using this entire feeding program. And? They are all magnificent. Did you forget to post the magnificient plant photos? As a matter of fact I posted a challenge in my thread, anything organic based for foliar feeding against my Liquid Light. Dude some urea alone as a foliar feed would likely do just as well. You name it and I'll buy it.

I went to 6 sites for growers before resting my flowers here. Of ALL 6 sites NO ONE has shown me plants that look like mine. That is because most people do not supply excessive nitrogen as you have. Typically only outdoor growers ever consider purposely growing plants that lush. Lush is not a good tyhing unless you have very, very intense lighting. Until they do I will keep using this high priced stuff imported from Holland and reaping the rewards. If you think your reaping rewards that is fine as your entitled to your opinions.

Check the journal if you think I'm kidding one slightest bit . I have looked at you amateur growing journal Dude.

I pay for science, When buying what? convenience Wow the real center of all your arguments!, and NO GUESS WORK! Dude it is all guess work!!! They formulate fertilizers for the average mj strain and the average mj growing system. If it is working well for you that simply means your strain and growing methodology is just average. Perfect for a new indoor grower, not "sad" by any means. For those average growers like you perhaps your right. I would think any serious grower however would strive to be better than average. Perhaps you are happy with average though.
Your funny Dude. Your plants are OK, but nothing special. Ionic charged nutrients. Dude do you even know what that means. All ions are charged. Some have a negative charg some a positive. DM does not chargethem or alter their charges. Is foliar feeding suppose to be impressing me or anyone else? Maybe I missed something, but what part of your Journal was special? There is no need for any exacting science or guess work involved in the Dutch Masters formulations Dude. All I can say is the your paying for convience statement is likely yoromnly real argument. The rest is just yaw flapping without science being involved at all.

I did not say your grow was sad. It is OK/acceptable/average although over lush. I said the raping of growers with absurd prices for mj specific nutrients is sad.

Dutch Masters products are merely average MJ specific nutrients. Nothing special. It is quite easy to obtain the lab results of the analyisis of Dutch Master nutrients as well as those of nutrients produced by AN, GH, Canna, Botanicare etc, etc. I assure you all these typical products containing just mineral based fertilzers can be easily mixed up for a very great deal less than they are sold for by retailers. Even finding out the ingrediants and concentrations of those with added supplements such as humic acids or amino acids is not difficult. There are no secrets or patents etc. Just many unknowledgable growers willing to pay high prices. The retailers are putting a very small mark up on the products in comparison to the manafacturers. They have to make their profits now while the market is both unknowledgable and while growing is still illegal for most growers and therfore U.S. manafacturers do not advertise mj specific formulations as does Canada and Holland etc. If and or when growing mj becomes legal by Federal law the mj specific manafacturers will either close up shop or dropp their prices tremendously. I would bet on them closing up shop. They really are just parasites taking advantage of U.S. growers.

Dutch Masters stuff is just more average and grossly over priced mj specific product. Nothing more than that.

Another example. I used calcium nitrate for simple mixing which added a small amount of Calcium. It can be easily formulated without the calcium though.

Dutch Masters Bloom Part B

Nitrogen 50
Phosphorus 530
Potassium 631
Magnesium 150
Calcium 64
Sulfur 199
Boron 1.00
Molybdenum .20

Ounces
Calcium Nitrate 4.3
MonoPotassium Phosphate 33.4
Magnesium Sulfate 20.2
Boric Acid / Solubor .074
Ammonium Molybdate .005
Volume of Stock Solutions 1
Dilution Rate 100
EC 2.9
pH 5.2

Total Salts about 58 ounces or 3.6 pounds. Their cost to produce 1 gallon about $2

Are you done touting average products as being something special. I will say your plants look a bit better then the average (in some respects), but still by photos alone that does not mean a spectacular grow. The proof is in the time and costs of production kwh of power and nutrient costs etc., the bud to leaf ratio, final bud yield and quality. All I really could tell from you photos is a very high leaf to bud ratio likely due to excessive foliar applications of ammonium based nitrogen. That does not impress me at all. Nice short internodal spacing, but that really has nothing to do with the nutrient brand or even its formulation.
 

MEANGREEN69

Well-Known Member
HEY FATMAN, chill out. this isnt the "see how cool i am and how much i know thread" OK so put in your review or beat it...sorry if im being mean but damn theres more then one way to skin a cat bro....
 
I have seen many people ask for Fatman's opinion on nutrients. People ask him if he HAD to use a brand of nute, what would it be? I have never seen him give a direct answer. He just says how bad everyones nutes suck ass and his personal mix is the best for his style of growing. drain to waste. I would like to know what brand of nutes you would choose if you absolutely could not use anything else. come on Fatman, is it possible for you to give a simple one word answer?
 

Touchet

New Member
A degree in chemistry huh? As I stated I am no chemist. Nor do I have the time OR DESIRE to give two shits about mixing my own nutes.

I'm sure "fatman" rolls through a Burger King every now and then for a bite when he could just as easily save all that money and raise a cow for slaughter himself, grow some wheat to make nice healthy buns and plant all his own veggies for pennies on the dollar. But, he doesn't, he rolls in and orders a #4 fuckin combo, just like I do when I roll into the local hydro shop.

A degree in chemistry and a giant FAIL in common sense.

congrats
 

budman2069

Member
who asked you meangreen69? butt out! fatman has something to say. i think i'll stick with dyna-gro and stay away from DM
 

Touchet

New Member
who asked you meangreen69? butt out! fatman has something to say. i think i'll stick with dyna-gro and stay away from DM

your right he does have something to say, and now that I read his whole attempted slaughter of my post he has something to prove.

"Your plants are OK, but nothing special."


I am a MECP 1st class installer, one of 113 in the entire country, when it comes to things carrying a charge I have forgotten more than you'll ever know. You really wanna discuss the elctron shells with me, cause we can.


And this, you pos, really?!

Some photos of some poorly grown planys supplied with too much nitrogen is not somethinh that impresses me Dude.
Well Mr I know it all and your plants are "poorly grown" feel free to prove what you say.

LETS SEE YOUR PLANTS!

I have read every boring, lame ass, informative post you HAVE EVER MADE. And I have yet to see one friggin pic of a plant you have grown. So if I am wrong, please, post away.
 
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