pnwmystery
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Please be satire, because it made me crack up.
How would you handle ISIS and the situation in the Middle East?
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D528
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Id stop trying to overthrow democratically ellected governments and quit funding , arming training terrorist and close the "school of Americas " and stop paying welfare payments to israel ! I would stop arming and funding ever middleast county , especially the ones train the fucks like quatr , saudis arabia and close down the cia training in Jordan. Id take the last few u.s. presidents to international criminal court for warcrimes and crimes against humanity and tell msm to fuck off and do thier fucking job after i charge them wiht treason too ! ! No more pentagone sponcered serf flicks of hate ! id fire 377 congressman for pandering to terrorist entities. Id stop the hegalian dialectic bullshit on msm as gov. created the problem in the first place.
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Vikerus Forrest
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I think it starts with understanding where the hatred comes from. On a basic level we are talking a region that has been ruled by a totally different system of government. If we wanted to help we would bolster the honest old men in villages and bring legitimacy to their peaceful existence. Not with arms but with communication equipment and diplomacy. We shouldn't ever be pushing on anyone things they don't ask for. So in the first place. Our leaders need to talk to the peoples leaders there in the regions that suffer but have room to build unity.
No one can deny that the actions of "diplomatic countries" have more or less usurped the peoples will and replaced it with heavy handed reaction (drones.) Sure we do well to quell their actual power with force. But if you are killing citizens and showing next to no remorse for it... The people who are under those drones all feel like victims of a much more insidious ignorance for life. The answers are in communication between the cultures and building understandings. I know from what I have seen, many of those regions are just resource strapped and have been for a long time. Being a source of frustration when other parts of the same country fail to share.
I might not really have a place to speak about such issues. I'm not living there and it really isn't effecting me in the immediate. Deep down though. It's not okay for Americans to care so little about what the government might be doing in our name. Not that we should be enemies. But if they are creating enemies for us... That doesn't seem very fair to me? So if I had the power to sway a mind. I would say this: Without the bullets to load their guns they would be forced to walk deserts just to cut at each other. Something tells me they would rather sow for next season though...
No one can deny that the actions of "diplomatic countries" have more or less usurped the peoples will and replaced it with heavy handed reaction (drones.) Sure we do well to quell their actual power with force. But if you are killing citizens and showing next to no remorse for it... The people who are under those drones all feel like victims of a much more insidious ignorance for life. The answers are in communication between the cultures and building understandings. I know from what I have seen, many of those regions are just resource strapped and have been for a long time. Being a source of frustration when other parts of the same country fail to share.
I might not really have a place to speak about such issues. I'm not living there and it really isn't effecting me in the immediate. Deep down though. It's not okay for Americans to care so little about what the government might be doing in our name. Not that we should be enemies. But if they are creating enemies for us... That doesn't seem very fair to me? So if I had the power to sway a mind. I would say this: Without the bullets to load their guns they would be forced to walk deserts just to cut at each other. Something tells me they would rather sow for next season though...
NLXSK1
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Tougher at what? A question was posed and I gave an answer. If we are going to have a war on terror lets win it.
Irradiate Syria, give it to the Palestinians and tell them to STFU.
Probably why nobody is ever going to elect me dictator.
NLXSK1
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First of all we shouldnt even be in the middle east. I agree with Obama on that although his methods have done more harm than good.
Maybe we could start by recognizing other countries as soveriegn states and not send arms and training to terrorists of that country. Maybe that would send a message to the world that we are not hypocritical egotistical bastards...
Padawanbater2
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President, not emperor, son
UncleBuck
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the 50 year old, pool cleaning, alcoholic from apache junction is an underdog for sure.
m4s73r
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Wow, the anger in this thread is astounding. The middle east is a interesting dilemma. On the one hand I do think we need to remove the US military presence from the region. Stop drone bombing these people. We have been fighting there for over a decade. Stop doing the same thing over and over. It doesn't work.
you cant blow up an idea.
On the other hand. I do think we have a moral obligation to protect innocent people trying to flee that area. I for one, am disgusted with how the US is handling the refugees situation. Why are we doing this again? We did it when the Irish came. we did it when the jews were being slaughtered, and here we are again. Fucking sad. And what even sadder, the whole hatred of Syrians and the fear is being led by "christian" people. Fucking dirt worshipers.
But imo the biggest thing that needs to happen is Islam needs a leader that can change the religion to one of equality. This is not a issue with people. the people of the area are reacting exactly as we would. If china came over here and bombed us like were bombing the middle east, we would have americans with bombs on their chest blowing up fried rice stands. In my perfect world were all Atheists and would rather build and explore then fight and conquer. But i dont care what country it is, what religion it is. If you start killing people, eventually they will fight back. Just like were starting to see in the US. The poor are being killed and are starting to fight back.
you cant blow up an idea.
On the other hand. I do think we have a moral obligation to protect innocent people trying to flee that area. I for one, am disgusted with how the US is handling the refugees situation. Why are we doing this again? We did it when the Irish came. we did it when the jews were being slaughtered, and here we are again. Fucking sad. And what even sadder, the whole hatred of Syrians and the fear is being led by "christian" people. Fucking dirt worshipers.
But imo the biggest thing that needs to happen is Islam needs a leader that can change the religion to one of equality. This is not a issue with people. the people of the area are reacting exactly as we would. If china came over here and bombed us like were bombing the middle east, we would have americans with bombs on their chest blowing up fried rice stands. In my perfect world were all Atheists and would rather build and explore then fight and conquer. But i dont care what country it is, what religion it is. If you start killing people, eventually they will fight back. Just like were starting to see in the US. The poor are being killed and are starting to fight back.
D528
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lmfao
D528
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Benevlance runith over lol.
Drone Pilots Have Bank Accounts and Credit Cards Frozen by Feds For Exposing US Murder
by William Norman Grigg
The U.S. Government failed to deter them through threats of criminal prosecution, and clumsy attempts to intimidate their families. Now four former Air Force drone operators-turned-whistleblowers have had their credit cards and bank accounts frozen, according to human rights attorney Jesselyn Radack.
"My drone operators went public this week and now their credit cards and bank accounts are frozen," Radack lamented on her Twitter feed (the spelling of her post has been conventionalized). This was done despite the fact that none of them has been charged with a criminal offense -- but this is a trivial formality in the increasingly Sovietesque American National Security State.
Michael Haas, Brandon Bryant, Cian Westmoreland and Stephen Lewis, who served as drone operators in the US Air Force, have gone public with detailed accounts of the widespread corruption and institutionalized indifference to civilian casualties that characterize the program. Some of those disclosures were made in the recent documentary Drone; additional details have been provided inan open letter from the whistleblowers to President Obama, Defense Secretary Ashton Carter, and CIA Director John Brennan.
"We are former Air Force service members," the letter begins. We joined the Air Force to protect American lives and to protect our Constitution. We came to the realization that the innocent civilians we were killing only fueled the feelings of hatred that ignited terrorism and groups like ISIS, while also serving as a fundamental recruiting tool similar to Guantanamo Bay. This administration and its predecessors have built a drone program that is one of the most devastating driving forces for terrorism and destabilization around the world."
Elsewhere the former drone operators have described how their colleagues dismissed children as "fun-sized terrorists" and compared killing them to "cutting the grass before it grows too long." Children who live in countries targeted by the drone program are in a state of constant terror, according to Westmoreland: "There are 15-year-olds growing up who have not lived a day without drones overhead, but you also have expats who are watching what's going on in their home countries and seeing regularly the violations that are happening there, and that is something that could radicalize them."
By reliable estimates, ninety percent of those killed in drone strikes are entirely harmless people, making the program a singularly effective method of producing anti-American terrorism. "We kill four and create ten," Bryant said during a November 19 press conference, referring to potential terrorists. "If you kill someone's father, uncle or brother who had nothing to do with anything, their families are going to want revenge."
Haas explained that the institutional culture of the drone program emphasized and encouraged the dehumanization of the targeted populations. "There was a much more detached outlook about who these people were we were monitoring," he recalled. "Shooting was something to be lauded and something we should strive for."
Unable to repress his conscience or choke down his moral disgust, Haas took refuge in alcohol and drug abuse, which he says is predictably commonplace among drone operators. At least a half-dozen members of his unit were using bath salts and could be found "impaired" while on duty, Haas testifies.
Among the burdens Bryant now bears is the knowledge that he participated in the mission that killed a fellow U.S. citizen, Anwar al-Awlaki. Identified as a radical cleric and accused of offering material support for al-Qaeda, al-Awlaki was executed by a drone strike in Yemen. His 16-year-old son, Abdulrahman, was killed in a separate drone strike a few weeks later while sitting down to dinner at the home of a family friend. Asked about the killing of a native-born U.S. citizen -- who, at age 16, was legally still a child -- former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs appeared to justify that act by blaming it on the irresponsibility of the innocent child's father.
As Bryant points out, as a matter of law the elder al-Awlaki was innocent, as well.
"We were told that al-Awlaki deserved to die, he deserved to be killed as a traitor, but article 3 of section 2 of the U.S. Constitution states that even a traitor deserves a fair trial in front of a jury of his peers," Bryant notes, lamenting that his role in the "targeted killing" of a U.S. citizen without a trial was a violation of his constitutional oath.
Investigative reporter Jeremy Scahill has produced evidence suggesting that the White House-approved killing of Anwar al-Awlaki's son may have been carried out as retaliation against the family for refusing to cooperate in the search for the cleric. There are indications that the government has tried to intimidate the whistleblowers by intimidating their families.
In October, while Brandon Bryant was preparing to testify about the drone program before a German parliamentary committee, his mother LanAnn received a visit in her Missoula, Montana home from two representatives of the Air Force's Office of Special Investigations. The men claimed that her personal information was in the hands of the Islamic State, which had placed her name on a "hit list." She was also told not to share that disclosure with anyone -- a directive she promptly ignored by informing Ms. Radack, who represents Brandon and the other whistleblowers.
According to Radack, a very similar episode occurred last March in which the stepparent of another whistleblower received a nearly identical visit from agents of the Air Force OSI. "This is the US government wasting taxpayer dollars trying to silence, intimidate and shut up people. It's a very amateurish way to shut up a whistleblower ... by intimidating and scaring their parents. This would be laughable if it weren't so frightening."
Given the role played by the U.S. government in fomenting, equipping, and abetting the growth of ISIS, such warnings have to be perceived as credible, albeit, indirect death threats.
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Theres a reason the u.sd. was voted #1 threat to the world. Israel the warcrime beggar state didnt fare to well either. lol. Hey though there is also a reason the u.s. is about 49th in press freedom. Got to lead those sheep. lol.
Drone Pilots Have Bank Accounts and Credit Cards Frozen by Feds For Exposing US Murder
by William Norman Grigg
The U.S. Government failed to deter them through threats of criminal prosecution, and clumsy attempts to intimidate their families. Now four former Air Force drone operators-turned-whistleblowers have had their credit cards and bank accounts frozen, according to human rights attorney Jesselyn Radack.
"My drone operators went public this week and now their credit cards and bank accounts are frozen," Radack lamented on her Twitter feed (the spelling of her post has been conventionalized). This was done despite the fact that none of them has been charged with a criminal offense -- but this is a trivial formality in the increasingly Sovietesque American National Security State.
Michael Haas, Brandon Bryant, Cian Westmoreland and Stephen Lewis, who served as drone operators in the US Air Force, have gone public with detailed accounts of the widespread corruption and institutionalized indifference to civilian casualties that characterize the program. Some of those disclosures were made in the recent documentary Drone; additional details have been provided inan open letter from the whistleblowers to President Obama, Defense Secretary Ashton Carter, and CIA Director John Brennan.
"We are former Air Force service members," the letter begins. We joined the Air Force to protect American lives and to protect our Constitution. We came to the realization that the innocent civilians we were killing only fueled the feelings of hatred that ignited terrorism and groups like ISIS, while also serving as a fundamental recruiting tool similar to Guantanamo Bay. This administration and its predecessors have built a drone program that is one of the most devastating driving forces for terrorism and destabilization around the world."
Elsewhere the former drone operators have described how their colleagues dismissed children as "fun-sized terrorists" and compared killing them to "cutting the grass before it grows too long." Children who live in countries targeted by the drone program are in a state of constant terror, according to Westmoreland: "There are 15-year-olds growing up who have not lived a day without drones overhead, but you also have expats who are watching what's going on in their home countries and seeing regularly the violations that are happening there, and that is something that could radicalize them."
By reliable estimates, ninety percent of those killed in drone strikes are entirely harmless people, making the program a singularly effective method of producing anti-American terrorism. "We kill four and create ten," Bryant said during a November 19 press conference, referring to potential terrorists. "If you kill someone's father, uncle or brother who had nothing to do with anything, their families are going to want revenge."
Haas explained that the institutional culture of the drone program emphasized and encouraged the dehumanization of the targeted populations. "There was a much more detached outlook about who these people were we were monitoring," he recalled. "Shooting was something to be lauded and something we should strive for."
Unable to repress his conscience or choke down his moral disgust, Haas took refuge in alcohol and drug abuse, which he says is predictably commonplace among drone operators. At least a half-dozen members of his unit were using bath salts and could be found "impaired" while on duty, Haas testifies.
Among the burdens Bryant now bears is the knowledge that he participated in the mission that killed a fellow U.S. citizen, Anwar al-Awlaki. Identified as a radical cleric and accused of offering material support for al-Qaeda, al-Awlaki was executed by a drone strike in Yemen. His 16-year-old son, Abdulrahman, was killed in a separate drone strike a few weeks later while sitting down to dinner at the home of a family friend. Asked about the killing of a native-born U.S. citizen -- who, at age 16, was legally still a child -- former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs appeared to justify that act by blaming it on the irresponsibility of the innocent child's father.
As Bryant points out, as a matter of law the elder al-Awlaki was innocent, as well.
"We were told that al-Awlaki deserved to die, he deserved to be killed as a traitor, but article 3 of section 2 of the U.S. Constitution states that even a traitor deserves a fair trial in front of a jury of his peers," Bryant notes, lamenting that his role in the "targeted killing" of a U.S. citizen without a trial was a violation of his constitutional oath.
Investigative reporter Jeremy Scahill has produced evidence suggesting that the White House-approved killing of Anwar al-Awlaki's son may have been carried out as retaliation against the family for refusing to cooperate in the search for the cleric. There are indications that the government has tried to intimidate the whistleblowers by intimidating their families.
In October, while Brandon Bryant was preparing to testify about the drone program before a German parliamentary committee, his mother LanAnn received a visit in her Missoula, Montana home from two representatives of the Air Force's Office of Special Investigations. The men claimed that her personal information was in the hands of the Islamic State, which had placed her name on a "hit list." She was also told not to share that disclosure with anyone -- a directive she promptly ignored by informing Ms. Radack, who represents Brandon and the other whistleblowers.
According to Radack, a very similar episode occurred last March in which the stepparent of another whistleblower received a nearly identical visit from agents of the Air Force OSI. "This is the US government wasting taxpayer dollars trying to silence, intimidate and shut up people. It's a very amateurish way to shut up a whistleblower ... by intimidating and scaring their parents. This would be laughable if it weren't so frightening."
Given the role played by the U.S. government in fomenting, equipping, and abetting the growth of ISIS, such warnings have to be perceived as credible, albeit, indirect death threats.
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Theres a reason the u.sd. was voted #1 threat to the world. Israel the warcrime beggar state didnt fare to well either. lol. Hey though there is also a reason the u.s. is about 49th in press freedom. Got to lead those sheep. lol.
NLXSK1
Well-Known Member
I am not afraid of Syrians or people of any other nationality. I am afraid that my government is grossly incompetent and due to being politically correct rather than having a shred of common sense will allow people with little to no background documentation into the homeland. I am especially afraid when danger is clearly demonstrated that they bull ahead anyway, again on political correctness rather than making rational decisions about caution.
londonfog
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you seem afraid
m4s73r
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So what about the 11 million undocumented works that have already come here? what about the 5 million irish that came here with no documentation? how much documentation should a child have? How much documentation should a woman from that part of the world have. Over there they are little more then property. They dont have rights. White people have killed more people in the us then any Syrian could ever hope too
He is afraid. But thats not necessarily his fault. The media and christians have led people to this irrational fear. Do you know why? Because it makes money.
So allow me to give you 8 reason you shouldnt be worried about syrian refugees as much as you are.
1. The attackers in Paris were European. The one syrian passport they found... yep it was fake.
2. The attackers were not refugees. They were born in Europe. Refugees are poor people with NOTHING. Just hoping to Allah that they can get somewhere safe. Period.
3. The US already admits 70,000 refugees every year, but only took in about 400 Syrians last year. In 2014 the US accepted 758 refugees from Afghanistan, 19,651 refugees from Iraq, and a former child soldier from the Congo.
4. Refugees undergo at least 18 months of background checks.
5. Since 2001, the US has admitted roughly 750,000 refugees and none have been accused of involvement in domestic terrorism aimed at the US homeland. Let me repeat that. NONE.
6. Of the some 22 million Syrians, a good half are homeless. About 7.5 million have been displaced within the country and 4 million have been forced abroad.
7.Syrian refugees are not guerrilla fighters or terrorists.
8. The US owes these refugees. Without the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, there would have been no al-Qaeda or al-Qaeda offshoots like ISIS.
Want to know what im afraid of. Going to public places in the US where there are gathering of 10+ people. I may get shot by some white jesus dirt worshiper. Or by a cop for my 4 grams of weed.
'Nuff said.
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NLXSK1
Well-Known Member
I am not afraid, I am well armed ;]
People who are muslim are killing people who are christian and/or not muslim.
Do I not have a right to be concerned for my safety? My government sure as shit does not seem to be concerned for it...
UncleBuck
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yes you are, pussy.
i knew you were afraid.
by the way, all the refugees in the united states have never caused even one incident of terror in the united states.
compare that against two incidents in the last month in colorado alone by conservative christian white males.
you are a pussy, a loser, and a racist.
Padawanbater2
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Cops kill more people in America than Muslims do, white domestic terrorists kill more people in America than Muslims do
You're not "concerned for your safety" because if you were, you would fear both of these groups of people more than you do Muslims
You're a xenophobic asshole afraid of everything different
And no, that's not reasonable
UncleBuck
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yes you are.
so you're not christian, but you are afraid of muslims killing christians, and you are not afraid, but you are caressing your gun right now?
nothing you say makes sense.
NLXSK1
Well-Known Member
You underline my point. Our government has already proven incapable of enforcing immigration policy and/or tracking undocumented immigrants yet they suggest importing more. Where is the sense in that again? What advantage to the average American is it to take in all these refugees?
Padawanbater2
Well-Known Member
You think Syrian refugees are "illegal immigrants"?
Is someone who enters the US on a work Visa an "illegal immigrant" too?
NLXSK1
Well-Known Member
So until muslims kill more people than cops my concerns are not valid? That seems suicidal...