How would you grow if you could only have 15 at a time?

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Smokej9009

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So, I am a medical patient care provider in Washington. We are only allowed to grow 15 plants at once.
I have a 600w HPS, 6" centrifugal fan and carbon scrubber in the flowering room. I have a 4 foot long, 4 bulb T5 in veg.

Here is what I am wondering. What would you do to maximize this setup so you get the largest yields but stay at 15 plants or less, including mammas and clones.

I have several bomb ass strains in seed now, and Afghani Hashplant, White Widow and Gspot all growing currently.

I would like to always have two mammas of different variety going at once. SO what would you do? Two mammas, two clones, four seedlings in veg and 8 in flowering?
Only thing I can think of is SOG taking two cuttings every two weeks.

But my patient wants to do about 4-6 clones at a time, which means we can only take clones like once a month, but the plants can veg longer.

So I am confused about how to get the largest possible yield here.

I also need to allow the space to germinate a few here and there, since I got some beans from Attitude that we want to try out.
I know eventually we will be cycling strains and fowering some mammas a few times a year so we can make room for new strains.

The strains will also make this trick, because some will finish later than others.

I guess I can only take cuttings when I harvest huh? But how would you set it up to have a somewhat stead rotation and minimize some of the work and maintenance required?

Oh, by the way the flowering room is 6x7, and the veg space is about 2x7. This grow is being done in soil in 5 gallon buckets. Hydro is not an option, nor is another or larger lights. Using GH nutes.

Have the following now:
White Widow, G-Spot, Afghani Hashplant of unknown origin(gift clone)

Have un-germed genetics for the following:
Romulan Diesel
Super Lemon Haze
Black Widow
Kings Kush
Bubba Kush
Rocklock
Sharksbreath
The Church
Lemon Skunk

Pictures of what things are looking like now will be coming soon.
There is a strong likelyhood that I will have my MMJ authorization soon, so we may be able to go to 30 plants, which would mean I would like to have a minimum of 4 different strain mammas at once. (Obviously this will necessitate more space, lamps, etc, but I'll cross that road when we get there.

So what would you do?
 
ganjaluvr

ganjaluvr

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eh, I suppose I have no input really. Other than the fact that I couldn't imagine trying to take care of 15 plants at once.

I've never grown more than 4 plants at a time and that's unusual for me. But one of the 4 plants I had, was for a friend of mine and the other

three were mine.

I never grow more than 3 plants at a time.. since I only grow for my personal consumption. Usually I just have 2 at the most.. but sometimes

I'll do three at a time.


Plus I only grow from seed.. as I don't have the resources to get my hands on any clones. Keep that in mind too.

You'd have to have some kinda automated system to help keep things in line though.. you realize that right?
 
CLOSETGROWTH

CLOSETGROWTH

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Smokej9009 said:
So, I am a medical patient care provider in Washington. We are only allowed to grow 15 plants at once.
I have a 600w HPS, 6" centrifugal fan and carbon scrubber in the flowering room. I have a 4 foot long, 4 bulb T5 in veg.

Here is what I am wondering. What would you do to maximize this setup so you get the largest yields but stay at 15 plants or less, including mammas and clones.

I have several bomb ass strains in seed now, and Afghani Hashplant, White Widow and Gspot all growing currently.

I would like to always have two mammas of different variety going at once. SO what would you do? Two mammas, two clones, four seedlings in veg and 8 in flowering?
Only thing I can think of is SOG taking two cuttings every two weeks.

But my patient wants to do about 4-6 clones at a time, which means we can only take clones like once a month, but the plants can veg longer.

So I am confused about how to get the largest possible yield here.

I also need to allow the space to germinate a few here and there, since I got some beans from Attitude that we want to try out.
I know eventually we will be cycling strains and fowering some mammas a few times a year so we can make room for new strains.

The strains will also make this trick, because some will finish later than others.

I guess I can only take cuttings when I harvest huh? But how would you set it up to have a somewhat stead rotation and minimize some of the work and maintenance required?

Oh, by the way the flowering room is 6x7, and the veg space is about 2x7. This grow is being done in soil in 5 gallon buckets. Hydro is not an option, nor is another or larger lights. Using GH nutes.

Have the following now:
White Widow, G-Spot, Afghani Hashplant of unknown origin(gift clone)

Have un-germed genetics for the following:
Romulan Diesel
Super Lemon Haze
Black Widow
Kings Kush
Bubba Kush
Rocklock
Sharksbreath
The Church
Lemon Skunk

Pictures of what things are looking like now will be coming soon.
There is a strong likelyhood that I will have my MMJ authorization soon, so we may be able to go to 30 plants, which would mean I would like to have a minimum of 4 different strain mammas at once. (Obviously this will necessitate more space, lamps, etc, but I'll cross that road when we get there.

So what would you do?
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If your running a 600 watter, you can probably get away with growing 7 mid sized plants under the 600, and have 8 growing in the veg room.

This way, you could have a harvest every 55 days or so..like me.

Constant turn around..

You dont wanna crowd 15 plants under a 600, your yield will be suffering.. aint enough watts.
 
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Smokej9009

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Well, It's like I said. I cant go to a 1000 watter. It combined with all the other stuff would draw too many amps on the circuit I have to work with. I got a light rail and the hood is sealed and vented to keep temps down.

Believe me, on of these day we plan on running two 600 watt bulbs, but not yet. I would rather run two 600w compared to a 1000 anyways.

At most we can have 7 in the flowering room, any more and it is just way too crowded. 7 makes it crowded as it is. We have mad ventilation though and massive amounts of air circulation.

I would love to go DWC but I spend so much time out of town that it has to be fairl;y simple for the patient to manage for weeks at a time while I am away on business. She's an old lady in her late 50's and needs to keep it simple so she can handle the work. She's always run a veg garden in soil and so she is comfortable with it and won't change. She's also a bit stubborn and set in her ways. SHe has been doing great with the setup I built her too, so I really just need some ideas on the best way to manage crop rotation to maximize the yield and have the ability to bring in a new strain every few months until we find what really works best for the ailments she suffers.

I know she is planning on moving sometime this next year, so we should have much more space then and the ability to run power and ventilation as needed for a much more ideal situation, but until then we can only work with what we have. (That would be the one 15 amp breaker with the following: 600W HPS on a 6 foot light rail, 6 inch centrifugal fan, three 12 inch oscillating fans, the T5, a box fan, a dual fan window fan (to bring cool air into the room at night, or can be reversed to blow hot air out. You know, the accordian type that fit in a window?) There is also the bathroom light and the bathroom exhaust fan on the same circuit, as well as the home pc.

We were initially going to go with a 1000 watter until I added up the draws for everything and it put us over 15 AMPs, so I had to go with what I thought was the next best thing for the space considering the available power. Still working on getting some pics up.
 
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WA.medigrow

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I have almost exactly the same setup as you, my t-5 is a 6 bulb (and the same limitations, 15 plants). It depends on how often you want to harvest. Do you want to flower and harvest seven at a time, or do you want to harvest a couple every 2-3 weeks. Personally, I have found mother plants take up to much space for my single t-5. I cut a couple down, take clones from a couple in veg and then put them to flower, and veg the clones. It's tough when growing multiple strains since flowering time differs, I had to let my last couple in veg grow 3' before I could fit them in the flower room.
 
jumboSWISHER

jumboSWISHER

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i dunno if any body has posted this yet, kinda just skimed through, but in Washington state hanging/drying plants are counted into your total # of plants. and also, if you cut each branch off when drying, each stem is counted as a plant. so if you cut 1 plant into 10 pieces to hang, thats 10 plants. a couple of my friends are sitting some major time for not knowing that.
 
Treeth

Treeth

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This 15 plant limit is tough, but you still need those amps...

How about;

3 moms. 12 clones. A 12 week cycle is long enough to get some good cropping done to your al b fuct style clones; during a 3~ week clone/veg (goes much better under a HPS) period, to then yield for four solid colas a plant 9 weeks later. That's got to be, with 8 such buckets in flowering, and a foot and a half to two square feet consumed per plant... about 2 1k's each doing four such plants, and a final 9th station to play around with some leds as a spot in your rotation or cloning... I don't think two 600's can do this without a mover, just 1 of such plants will eat a 600 watt light. 1k on a mover would be best here.

But really, it's inside now...

Hempy style hydro. All chem. No, and I mean this literally... shit. It is not needed. The shit. Organics or whatever. It does not make better medicine. It does take longer. Not the goal. Nine weeks is comfy for your genetics. Use not ammonical nitrogen. Nitrate nitrogen for feeding your plant what it can eat.

Otherwise:

'My true HP Aero plug and play pods' is the correct way to go, in order to use all of what a 600 HPS (on a mover) has got. Rotations of handsomely yielding, super short flowering, sog clones, harvesting 3 clones a week.

Still; You're gonna need to put in a 60amp 230v breaker/lay freaking 6 gauge copper/and add another junction box in order to do what you want. You need dehumidification/ac atmospheric control and Co2 to push anything, and make the 600 on the mover mean something to 12 clones, which could also be put in hempy buckets instead of an aero table, 3 clones to a bucket, with 4 buckets in 2 square feet.... Hmm... Get Extension cords whatever. It is not hard to take this equipment with you. Unless you completely abject to a DIY install.

Its' supplying the patients which is the real issue.

Nothing is near done at 55 days under... absolutely unoptimized conditions. Think 70 days or longer. Only one way to cut it down, and you know what that is. Copper(-It's better than cash)...

Besides actually feeding the dang girls.

Perhaps your effort would be better spent on a greenhouse. That would pull 15 amps, you know, if its optimal outside. It just isn't within 15 amps of "optimal" inside. Prove me wrong. There are lots of people who hit this wall; But you know, it kind of is a responsibility... Dudes burn up that 20 amp circuit on one plant;

But maybe sog clones eat less light and finish earlier yielding the same? No. Or bigger plants yield more, be kept compact, even if flowered long? No. False dichotomies.

Her ways are not for growing flowers. Her ways are of the garden. Outside.
Passive hydro, hempy style, is easy, especially if she is there all the time to watch for droop, and optimize flooding times and nutrient strength. Go crazy with diurnal timings and stuff.

Run to waste style nutrients are very cheap by Fatman's formulas. Simple pump/line or even hand feeding in perlite/vermiculite 2 to 1 maybe some moss or coco or whatever. Flood and Drain to Waste!

The four buckets (three 3 or 3.5 inch net pots in a 12inch diameter lid), under the 600 could work if well managed. Dutch Masters' liquid light (foliar spray) appears impressive for this kind of application. The buckets will be choked with roots in a matter of weeks if well fed and will smother that light.

Get an RO setup first in order to enable feeding reliably and well.

Whatever to her ways. Add more perilite/vermiculite until the soil is gone. No shit. No ammonical nitrogen. No shit. Soil is a luxury and an absurdity under artificial lighting. Watering is not hard to follow. She can keep up. It'll only be once a day manually until they are actually thirsty, or a very easy pump/gravity feed/timer job. She should not have to move water and you'll keep your 15 amps maybe even get the 1k for results actually limited by atmospheric conditions.

How long does she take to finish?
 
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Smokej9009

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Here are some pictures like I promised. Yeah, I know they suck, but they were taken a few weeks ago with a crappy camera phone. You can see the flowering room and plants we have now, and you can also see the clones we got going and the one tiny Romulan Diesel that we got sprouted. I dont quite think we need 6GA copper quite yet, and I do like greenhouses, and have no problem building one, but I can't seem to figure out how to put one in a 3 bedroom apartment. LOL

I do agree with the earlier comment about taking the mamas and cloning them, then putting them into veg, and taking the clones and vegging them to be mamas again. That is what has been done here.




 
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pallaromp

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This 15 plant limit is tough, but you still need those amps...

How about;

3 moms. 12 clones. A 12 week cycle is long enough to get some good cropping done to your al b fuct style clones; during a 3~ week clone/veg (goes much better under a HPS) period, to then yield for four solid colas a plant 9 weeks later. That's got to be, with 8 such buckets in flowering, and a foot and a half to two square feet consumed per plant... about 2 1k's each doing four such plants, and a final 9th station to play around with some leds as a spot in your rotation or cloning... I don't think two 600's can do this without a mover, just 1 of such plants will eat a 600 watt light. 1k on a mover would be best here.

But really, it's inside now...

Hempy style hydro. All chem. No, and I mean this literally... shit. It is not needed. The shit. Organics or whatever. It does not make better medicine. It does take longer. Not the goal. Nine weeks is comfy for your genetics. Use not ammonical nitrogen. Nitrate nitrogen for feeding your plant what it can eat.

Otherwise:

'My true HP Aero plug and play pods' is the correct way to go, in order to use all of what a 600 HPS (on a mover) has got. Rotations of handsomely yielding, super short flowering, sog clones, harvesting 3 clones a week.

Still; You're gonna need to put in a 60amp 230v breaker/lay freaking 6 gauge copper/and add another junction box in order to do what you want. You need dehumidification/ac atmospheric control and Co2 to push anything, and make the 600 on the mover mean something to 12 clones, which could also be put in hempy buckets instead of an aero table, 3 clones to a bucket, with 4 buckets in 2 square feet.... Hmm... Get Extension cords whatever. It is not hard to take this equipment with you. Unless you completely abject to a DIY install.

Its' supplying the patients which is the real issue.

Nothing is near done at 55 days under... absolutely unoptimized conditions. Think 70 days or longer. Only one way to cut it down, and you know what that is. Copper(-It's better than cash)...

Besides actually feeding the dang girls.

Perhaps your effort would be better spent on a greenhouse. That would pull 15 amps, you know, if its optimal outside. It just isn't within 15 amps of "optimal" inside. Prove me wrong. There are lots of people who hit this wall; But you know, it kind of is a responsibility... Dudes burn up that 20 amp circuit on one plant;

But maybe sog clones eat less light and finish earlier yielding the same? No. Or bigger plants yield more, be kept compact, even if flowered long? No. False dichotomies.

Her ways are not for growing flowers. Her ways are of the garden. Outside.
Passive hydro, hempy style, is easy, especially if she is there all the time to watch for droop, and optimize flooding times and nutrient strength. Go crazy with diurnal timings and stuff.

Run to waste style nutrients are very cheap by Fatman's formulas. Simple pump/line or even hand feeding in perlite/vermiculite 2 to 1 maybe some moss or coco or whatever. Flood and Drain to Waste!

The four buckets (three 3 or 3.5 inch net pots in a 12inch diameter lid), under the 600 could work if well managed. Dutch Masters' liquid light (foliar spray) appears impressive for this kind of application. The buckets will be choked with roots in a matter of weeks if well fed and will smother that light.

Get an RO setup first in order to enable feeding reliably and well.

Whatever to her ways. Add more perilite/vermiculite until the soil is gone. No shit. No ammonical nitrogen. No shit. Soil is a luxury and an absurdity under artificial lighting. Watering is not hard to follow. She can keep up. It'll only be once a day manually until they are actually thirsty, or a very easy pump/gravity feed/timer job. She should not have to move water and you'll keep your 15 amps maybe even get the 1k for results actually limited by atmospheric conditions.

How long does she take to finish?
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How high were you when you wrote this? Please reread it if sober and realize -- it makes zero sense.
 
Fatty Nugs

Fatty Nugs

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i got 10 lbs from 6 plants, the limit in oregon. very easy. a 600 watt on a light mover above 2 plants, on 3 tables. they are under a wire grid. u just put the small plants under the grid and when any part of the plant grows over it you just move in under like threading a needle. so every branch has its own square.The plants start to grow horizontally across the entire grid. when the 2 plants take up all the squares in your grid you can start the 12/12 or wait till they get the height you want then start the flowering. my tables were 8 by 6, so the plants were, if stood up would be 8 feet high. sea of green baby. of course the nuts and everything else need to be on Q too. good luck
 
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Smokej9009

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Fatty Nugs said:
i got 10 lbs from 6 plants, the limit in oregon. very easy. a 600 watt on a light mover above 2 plants, on 3 tables. they are under a wire grid. u just put the small plants under the grid and when any part of the plant grows over it you just move in under like threading a needle. so every branch has its own square.The plants start to grow horizontally across the entire grid. when the 2 plants take up all the squares in your grid you can start the 12/12 or wait till they get the height you want then start the flowering. my tables were 8 by 6, so the plants were, if stood up would be 8 feet high. sea of green baby. of course the nuts and everything else need to be on Q too. good luck
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Do you have any pictures of this setup? Wasn't it hard to move around, like from a veg room to a bloom room? What size container did you use? Howling did it take to veg?
 
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Smokej9009

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Would that be a SCROG method? Just trying to get a better idea of how that particular type of grow goes with a bit more detail.
Anybody know of a good journal I could read through that would show something like that, in 5 gallon buckets?
 
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Smokej9009

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jumboSWISHER said:
i dunno if any body has posted this yet, kinda just skimed through, but in Washington state hanging/drying plants are counted into your total # of plants. and also, if you cut each branch off when drying, each stem is counted as a plant. so if you cut 1 plant into 10 pieces to hang, thats 10 plants. a couple of my friends are sitting some major time for not knowing that.
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I could swear there was a court case in the 9th circuit that established that a plant must have roots to be considered a plant, which would hold your commets to be untrue. Damned if I can remember it though.

Anybody know which case I am referring to?
 
Howard Stern

Howard Stern

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Hey smoke, I am up here in Wa too. I got my card and I am also going to be a provider for a buddy. What I would do if I were you if you are looking to stay legal is drop some money on three grow rooms. 3X4X6.5. I have one built and have six in there right now 20 days into flowering. Once I get rid of these I am looking into building a long room 3X8X6.5 and I am going to put 2 1000w in there and have them air cooled. at all times I will have 6 plants in veg 12 in flower. If I were you I would have the two seperate stages of growing. 8 flowering, 4 veging, and two mother plants to take clones off of.
 
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