How to protect myself from thermal imaging?

lexterian

lexterian

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I grow in an appartement with a 400w HPS.
But there are helicopters that fly-by over the complex daily.
The setup is in a closet and temps never even reach above 80F.
The plants are doing awesome but dont want to risk them getting destroyed so what can i do to protect my grow area from being detected by thermal imaging or other gizmo's?
The closet is light leak proof.
 
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moehabibi

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... ugh i dont think u can do anything ..
because if u try to keep the heat in ... it will accumulate and get redder ( on the thermall cam) but if u let the heat go .. it will still let a lighter red and they may think its somthing else

this is what i would do if i was YOU ...
id get some GOOD Circulation .. get that heat outta the closest so it wont be a really red area ...

honestly i dont really know waht im talking about .. but this is what i would do .. and thats how ithink ...


but i might be wrng .. anyone ?
 
notorious

notorious

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The Police would have to bust in everyones door to bust them for cooking supper everynight if they were worried about a 400watt bulb.
 
panhead

panhead

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ThunderLips said:
I dont know what your budget is, but this is really worth the peace of mind. Especially if you know what your doing and pulling 3-4 oz off a plant this should pay for itself.

Texas Hydroponics :: Grow Lighting :: Liquid Cooled Lights :: Liquid Lumens "HydroFlector" Reflector Insert
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Are you currently using a liquid cooled system in your personal grow op or is your reccomendation based on something else ?

I personally think those water cooled lights are the worst idea in indoor growing & a serious accident waiting to happen,there are way too many dangers associated with liquid cooled lights to reccomend them for in home use,not to mention the massive cost to acquire the system along with all the related accessories.

Introducing water overhead of a grow op is a bad enough idea in itself but when the saftey of the entire grow op is based on one seal, where if a seal breaks loose,even in the smallest degree,there are huge risks of fire,electrocution & assuredly total equipment destruction & months worth of work down the drain there are way better options at hand.

Option number 1 is to run air conditioning to the grow op,a single 400 watt light will not drive electric useage up so high that air conditioning cant be ran to keep the room cool.

Option number 2,run a cool tube with the light & vent the hot exhaust through the ductwork so it will be spread out evenly throughtout the entire home,this method used in conjunction with keeping a powerfull fan blowing cool air onto the cool tube is the best option.
 
ThunderLips

ThunderLips

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panhead said:
Are you currently using a liquid cooled system in your personal grow op or is your reccomendation based on something else ?

I personally think those water cooled lights are the worst idea in indoor growing & a serious accident waiting to happen,there are way too many dangers associated with liquid cooled lights to reccomend them for in home use,not to mention the massive cost to acquire the system along with all the related accessories.

Introducing water overhead of a grow op is a bad enough idea in itself but when the saftey of the entire grow op is based on one seal, where if a seal breaks loose,even in the smallest degree,there are huge risks of fire,electrocution & assuredly total equipment destruction & months worth of work down the drain there are way better options at hand.

Option number 1 is to run air conditioning to the grow op,a single 400 watt light will not drive electric useage up so high that air conditioning cant be ran to keep the room cool.

Option number 2,run a cool tube with the light & vent the hot exhaust through the ductwork so it will be spread out evenly throughtout the entire home,this method used in conjunction with keeping a powerfull fan blowing cool air onto the cool tube is the best option.
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the reccomendation is based on the question of beating thermal imaging. The decision, and the use of any equipment can be dangerous. Same goes for liquid cooled processors in which get alot hotter and can be way more dangerous than a water cooled HPS bulb. apparently they are on the market and must have been tested.

Do you know of any problems people have had, or any personal experiences or just speculations?
 
panhead

panhead

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ThunderLips said:
the reccomendation is based on the question of beating thermal imaging. The decision, and the use of any equipment can be dangerous. Same goes for liquid cooled processors in which get alot hotter and can be way more dangerous than a water cooled HPS bulb. apparently they are on the market and must have been tested.

Do you know of any problems people have had, or any personal experiences or just speculations?
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I see that You have experience ducking direct questions posed to you,the way you danced around my question & reflected it right back at me without ever answering the question makes me wonder about your affiliation, or personal bais with the system in question.

So far there are no grow op's anywhere on the net showing any sucess rates for these systems,they are currently under development & have ZERO proven track record,the sucess being touted with these super expensive & delicate systems can easily be traced to hype being created as sales pitches for the system,ive yet to see one single person who reccomended those systems to own one & be able to show pics of the system up & running in a long term grow.

With that being said I WILL answer your question posed to me.

My experience comes from close to 40 years in the construction industry,it also comes from setting up several sucessfull high power grow ops with many thousands of watts of lighting,it also comes from having the ability to wire my own grow op's right down to upgrading the main electrical panel,installing dedicated lines & any other electrical work needed to safely supply a grow op,another thing my comments are based on is the keen awareness i have from decades of working hands on with high voltage, that having the only thing seperating running water & high voltage being a rubber gasket is a recipe for disaster.

One not need 1st hand experience with the system to see the serious drawbacks/dangers associated with these systems or to know they are far more dangerous than regular lighting,you are 100% wrong when you claim all grow op's can be dangerous & try to make a comparison between a properly set up indoor grow op against a highly experimental & 100% unproven technology,the difference betwen the comparison is that in a properly set up cool tube system there is not running water 1 inch away from comming in contact with high voltage, counting on an (unproven) seal to keep the whole system from exploding.

Everything on earth that counts on a seal/gasket to keep water in or out fails with predictible regularity,everything !

EDIT HERE,i edited here to add the other serious danger & assured equipment failure with liquid cooled systems,the liquid cooling aspect of these systems are 100% pump driven,ask any long term hydro grower how real & often pump failure happens,all pumps fail with predictible regularaity & pump failure within a liquid cooled hid light is an instant overheat/explosion of the light bottle.

So we have a system that relys on 2 components (gasket & pump) each having shown over decades of use to have a proven high failure rate,these are whats protecting the user & system from explosion & or electrocution:fire: :o :sad:

I ask you once again,what is the basis of your reccomendation of this unproven,extremely expensive & delicate system & why is it better than much safer,more cost effective & long term proven technologies that will do the work required ?
 
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ThunderLips

ThunderLips

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LOL there is no personal affiliation, allthough i thought its a great way to cool a light. THey have liquid cooled so many things that, well shit heres a light. The fact that I suggested it to another person has nothing to do with me selling this crap. I post here to help people and if you dont think so u can find my other posts. Other than that I dont care to argue with you over a forum over some stupid light.
Grow your shit, help others learn but dont try to attack me on this forum, its just retarded.


I answered that in my first post.
 
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Lord Indica

Lord Indica

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panhead said:
I see that You have experience ducking direct questions posed to you,the way you danced around my question & reflected it right back at me without ever answering the question makes me wonder about your affiliation, or personal bais with the system in question.

So far there are no grow op's anywhere on the net showing any sucess rates for these systems,they are currently under development & have ZERO proven track record,the sucess being touted with these super expensive & delicate systems can easily be traced to hype being created as sales pitches for the system,ive yet to see one single person who reccomended those systems to own one & be able to show pics of the system up & running in a long term grow.

With that being said I WILL answer your question posed to me.

My experience comes from close to 40 years in the construction industry,it also comes from setting up several sucessfull high power grow ops with many thousands of watts of lighting,it also comes from having the ability to wire my own grow op's right down to upgrading the main electrical panel,installing dedicated lines & any other electrical work needed to safely supply a grow op,another thing my comments are based on is the keen awareness i have from decades of working hands on with high voltage, that having the only thing seperating running water & high voltage being a rubber gasket is a recipe for disaster.

One not need 1st hand experience with the system to see the serious drawbacks/dangers associated with these systems or to know they are far more dangerous than regular lighting,you are 100% wrong when you claim all grow op's can be dangerous & try to make a comparison between a properly set up indoor grow op against a highly experimental & 100% unproven technology,the difference betwen the comparison is that in a properly set up cool tube system there is not running water 1 inch away from comming in contact with high voltage, counting on an (unproven) seal to keep the whole system from exploding.

Everything on earth that counts on a seal/gasket to keep water in or out fails with predictible regularity,everything !

EDIT HERE,i edited here to add the other serious danger & assured equipment failure with liquid cooled systems,the liquid cooling aspect of these systems are 100% pump driven,ask any long term hydro grower how real & often pump failure happens,all pumps fail with predictible regularaity & pump failure within a liquid cooled hid light is an instant overheat/explosion of the light bottle.

So we have a system that relys on 2 components (gasket & pump) each having shown over decades of use to have a proven high failure rate,these are whats protecting the user & system from explosion & or electrocution:fire: :o :sad:

I ask you once again,what is the basis of your reccomendation of this unproven,extremely expensive & delicate system & why is it better than much safer,more cost effective & long term proven technologies that will do the work required ?
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Well said! Now heres my question. I am only using a 600w HPS light on only 10 girls (usually less) for just my needs. I am wondering if their is a product that I can wrap my room with to hide the thermal image? If not then that would be a golden opportunity for a creative inventor and I would be interested in becoming a customer lol.
 
CEEJR

CEEJR

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Run the lights in the daytime it will fuck up the thermal imaging to many heat sources in the sunshine.
 
dannyboy602

dannyboy602

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wouldn't you be better with NO heat? Cool floros, LED's T'5's and T8's. Most have little to no heat. IDK. just a suggestion.
 
cannabiscuit7

cannabiscuit7

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idk if theyll bust you over a 400w,maybe if you had like a couple 1000watters in 1 room.I really doubt DEA going to spend a bunch of time obtaining a warrant for a little heat sig from a 400w..
 
sso

sso

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hmm, they dont see the lamp with the flir.

they see the hotspots on your building.

if you are venting directly out, thats what they will see. (if you vent directly into a room and that room is not much hotter than the rest of the house, you are fine)

if your house is much hotter than the surrounding houses, that they will see. (i doubt the 400w raises the heat of your house that much (i just turn off my radiator and the 600 replaces it lol) (the 600w heats the room about as much as the radiator on low, just that room though)
 
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UnderCoverAgentOrange

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your totally safe, if your in the us they need a warrant to even use the FLIR its not always running when they are flying around it is very expensive...your totally safe my man nothing to worry about at all
 
cannabiscuit7

cannabiscuit7

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sso said:
hmm, they dont see the lamp with the flir.

they see the hotspots on your building.

if you are venting directly out, thats what they will see. (if you vent directly into a room and that room is not much hotter than the rest of the house, you are fine)

if your house is much hotter than the surrounding houses, that they will see. (i doubt the 400w raises the heat of your house that much (i just turn off my radiator and the 600 replaces it lol) (the 600w heats the room about as much as the radiator on low, just that room though)
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i never said they see the lamp,they see the heat signature,and like you just said a 400w doesnt give off that much of one.I Think Thermal imaging has many faults
1.If its hot where your at certain surfaces will produce a hot spot
2.If its cold where your at,obviously people have their heaters and what not on,so they produce hot spots and surfaces of your building.
So if you dont have some Ginormous grow op going on with several HID lamps..the DEA isnt going to risk spending time,money,and manpower for something theyre not really sure of in the first place.:weed:
 
sso

sso

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cannabiscuit7 said:
i never said they see the lamp,they see the heat signature,and like you just said a 400w doesnt give off that much of one.I Think Thermal imaging has many faults
1.If its hot where your at certain surfaces will produce a hot spot
2.If its cold where your at,obviously people have their heaters and what not on,so they produce hot spots and surfaces of your building.
So if you dont have some Ginormous grow op going on with several HID lamps..the DEA isnt going to risk spending time,money,and manpower for something theyre not really sure of in the first place.:weed:
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every window is a hotspot, places like that, sometimes the attic.

but they are all the same, unless you vent the grow somewhere straight out, then that area would be a much hotter "hotspot".


if you vent the grow just into your house, then the heat is spread out and unless you have so many lamps that your house is much hotter than the surrounding houses, unless you have that going, then your house looks the same to the flir as any other surrounding house.

if you vent in any place like a dryer vent, then it would take many flyover´s to confirm that you maybe have a grow or maybe are just doing laundry for people for some extra cash or something..

in other words, flir is mostly useful in catching uncareful and too eager big growers.
 
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