How to make Colloidal Silver to make Feminized seeds

Discussion in 'Do It Yourself' started by napalesegrizzly23, Jun 4, 2008.

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    napalesegrizzly23

    napalesegrizzly23 Well-Known Member

    So I have doing some research on making feminized seeds and I came across this bit of info. I will not be able to try this for a couple months since I don't grow indoors. Has anyone or someone they know ever attempted to make fem seeds using this method.
    This is some info i found. Someone else wrote this stuff.
    Thought it might be some useful info for anyone interested in trying to make those fem seeds.

    Im using silver coins, but you can essentially use any form of silver including silver wire as long as its 999 or 9999 pure (i bought mine from my local Mint, but you easily get silver off ebay too.

    Also, you dont need to solder alligator clips on, the important thing is simply that the wires are touching the silver so the electric current can flow through them, but i think the alligator clips add a nice touch plus they make it easier to hold the silver, so if you've got some spare alligator clips and have a soldering iron then I recommend it!



    have reported excellent success with this method, and it's no secret that colloidal silver has been used for a long time now to 'reverse' the sex of cannabis plants, although thanks to their help hopefully the process of making our own CS will no longer be shrouded in mystery!

    What is Colloidal Silver?
    Colloidal Silver is pure, metallic silver (the element), in particles of 15 atoms or fewer, each with a positive electric charge and attached to a molecule of a simple protein. These electrically charged particles of silver are extremely small, usually ranging from about 0.001 to about 0.01 microns in diameter, and are suspended in deionized water. The force of the electric charge is stronger than the force of gravity, so the silver particles remain suspended.

    In a nutshell how is Colloidal Silver made?
    You simply pass a small electric current through distilled water using a pure silver electrode (im using coins). That is essentially all there is to it. Contrary to popular belief, distilled water will conduct a small amount of electricity, allowing production of micro particulate colloidal silver.

    What the hell does it have to do with cannabis?!?
    We use Colloidal Silver (CS) for making FEMINISED SEEDS, which I'm a big fan of after having nothing but great success from them since i started growing a few years ago [​IMG]
    (The basic idea being you regularly spray CS on a female to force it to create bananas ie. pollen ... you then use that pollen to fertilize another female (or even itself, ie "selfing"), and the resulting seeds are feminised due to the pollen coming from a female instead of a male)

    Also, there are some other substances that can be used to force male parts on female plants, including STS (silver theosulphate, which is silver nitrate + sodium theosulphate) and GA (giberillic acid), but CS is non-toxic, easy, safe and inexpensive to make at home, doesn't require a DEA request form, and isn't a controlled substance. [​IMG]

    Csilver is available from your local chemist (in low parts-per-million though), and is drank for good health (the silver helps kill bacteria etc). But its PPM is too low for what we intend to use it for - feminised seeds! So we need to make our own with a higher PPM ... no problems, we simply allow the electrical current to flow through the silver for a longer duration [​IMG]

    TO MAKE A COLLOIDAL SILVER GENERATOR ...
    You will need: a 9V power adapter that outputs DC, two alligator clips, a soldering iron + solder. (If you dont have soldering iron you can simply wrap the wire around the alligator clip base in a coil and that will suffice, but youll get better contact if you solder it).
    - Get a power adapter that has an output of 9V DC 600mA or thereabouts. Output must be DC, and 9V/600mA seems optimal from what I've read and been told
    - Cut the end off and discard
    - Split the main wire into its two smaller sub-wires (no need to pull them apart all the way though). Dont worry, we dont need to know which is positive/negative.
    - Use wire-cutters to remove the plastic shielding/insulation to expose the actual metal wires, about 1 inch is enough
    - Solder the wires onto alligator clips ($0.50ea from your local electronics store)

    If you dont have alligator clips Haps suggested a good alternative - drill a hole into each coin and coil the wire around that instead.

    TO MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER ...
    - Get some distilled water. Do not use any other type of water due to impurities. At your supermarket you may find distilled water next to spring water, but it may also be in the ironing products isle as it is commonly used for steam irons.
    - Attach each alligator clip to a chunk of PURE 999 or 9999 SILVER (i just got two 1oz coins from the local Mint, approx US$20ea, but 1/2oz coins wouldve been suffice - i didnt realise how big 1oz of silver was!)
    - Make sure each coin is half-dunked in the water, but that the alligator clips themselves arent touching the water, then turn on your generator and leave it for about 7 hours. (goldking leaves his on "overnight" and thus probably gets an even higher PPM, but has had good results from it!)
    The end result: the electrolysis causes microscopic silver particles to be suspended in the water (= colloidal silver aka CS). The rig basically looks like this when in use (the only thing in contact with the water is the silver, not the alligator clips or anything else):
    [​IMG]

    It's also recommended you use an airpump with a clean (not used for anything else) airstone to help keep the water moving.

    Also you don't want to leave the CS generator running TOO long or the silver particles in the water start getting too large - ~8 hours should be plenty.

    USING COLLOIDAL SILVER TO MAKE FEMINISED SEEDS ...
    Start spraying your target plant with CS just before you send it into 12/12 flowering, and keep spraying every few days. I won't go into details, but the CS causes the female to produce male flowers/pollen. Collect that pollen, and use it to pollenate another female (you can pollenate the same female that you CS'd (aka "self'ing") and indeed you may have to if you have a clone-only strain, although that may lead to more hermaphroditic traits, but I wont go into details on that). Anyway, because you've pollenated a plant with pollen from a female, the pollen can only create female seeds.

    There's obviously a lot more to it than that but hopefully this brief explanation will help people understand the basic jist of it [​IMG]

    ps. I don't recommend drinking home-made CS unless you've done your homework because the PPM may be too high, which is great for making feminised seeds (we need a higher PPM for that) but may have risks with human consumption - too much silver can cause argyria, a condition of blue or gray discoloration of the skin, so always buy it from your chemist if you intend to use it medicinally. Also if you do drink it medicinally it's recommended you also take additional probiotics (like Yakult), because the silver also kills a lot of the good bacteria inside you. So do your homework first!

    don't know what the RULES are for misting the plants,but i soak the heck out of mine when i spray,every day, not just a lil damp mist,thats why if i had to pay $20+ for a lil bottle at the health store, i could never afford to use CS.

    i touch my ingots together to look for a miniscule spark arch to see if every thing has positive contact and is working. the spark, if there will be very very faint, kinda like rubbing a cat on the wall, the sparks are hard to see
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    bluetick

    bluetick Well-Known Member

    That's pretty interesting I must say. :mrgreen:
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    ganjagoddess

    ganjagoddess Well-Known Member

    Why dont you just use light poisining... what positives does using CS over just using the other methods have?
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    DR. VonDankenstine

    DR. VonDankenstine Well-Known Member

    Very interesting read but the question I have for you is why don't you just let your mothers go past there peak by two or three weeks and collect the male flowers and take the pollen from there-breed it back to some fresh cuttings and grow them out to seed----If your worried about Hermie's know that Hermie's have a high ratio toward coming from certain strains not due to self pollinated back-bred clones.
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    ganjagoddess

    ganjagoddess Well-Known Member

    Hermies are how you make feminised seeds, thats what he does with the CS, its a way to make a plant hermie...
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    DR. VonDankenstine

    DR. VonDankenstine Well-Known Member

    Sorry-I'm not very good and explaining myself when I'm as stoned as I am--I was asking him why use the CS when he can stress the plants by going 2 to 3 weeks past the ripe flowering stage(this will produce male pollen sacs on the females-they then can be collected and used to pollinate. Since the female was stressed to produce male flowers, When back-crossed there is no need of worrying that the offspring(seeds) will produce feminized Hermite plants unless the original mother had herm traits in her strain line.
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2008
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    ganjagoddess

    ganjagoddess Well-Known Member

    If conditions are optimal the plant shouldnt hermie just by going past harvest stage. Stress and die maybe.

    Also Good seeds begin forming 2-3 weeks into Flower and should be harvested at the the optimal time you would normally harvest buds, for the most viable seeds!
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    ocb123

    ocb123 Active Member

    I like this, it's very interesting, the most straight forward way of explaining how to create feminized seeds that I've seen, well done grizzly.
    Would this method then mean that all succesive generations would be feminized as well though, or would only the 1st plant that you sprayed with CS produce female only seed?
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    ganjagoddess

    ganjagoddess Well-Known Member

    Only the first plant, but all these seeds will carry um how to put it "level 1" hermie traits.

    You should never use a feminised seed to make seeds... (they will be uhh "level 2")

    Meaning more likely to continually hermie...
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    DR. VonDankenstine

    DR. VonDankenstine Well-Known Member

    I have been using this method with great success for a few years---I use the word stress only as to describe the last 2 to 3 weeks past peak-(the stress of not having been pollinated causes the females to produce a small quantity of male flowers when the plants are taking 2 to 3 weeks past peak in flowering).
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    ganjagoddess

    ganjagoddess Well-Known Member

    I would like to hear what others think of what you are saying, because for example earl flushes for 6 weeks! past "ripe" harvest time and his plants dont just magically hermie.

    A plant shouldnt hermie just because it is past peak ripeness. to me that just doesnt make sense and further more seems to be the "wrong" way to force hermphapridism.
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    DR. VonDankenstine

    DR. VonDankenstine Well-Known Member

    :mrgreen:
    Why would it be the "wrong" way? In my (OPINION) it is the most natural and non-synthetic way to produce male flowers on females. In nature, if the female marijuana plant fails to receive pollen, late in the season she will most likely produce male flowers as a way of preservation.---I learned this method from a breeder years ago and have use it quite a few times with great success---To be honest with you, I thought all growers and breeders were using the same method:confused:-I guess not. Anyway, The seeds I have produced using this method have a high germination rate and a very, very low herm rate.

    As far as the "EARL" flushing for 6 weeks past peak ripe---You've got me stumped on that one---If I flushed my plants for 6 weeks period(it wouldn't matter when) they would become severely nutrients deficient and probably die(plant stem and leaves have about enough stored energy to get you through a 2 week flush) my rooms look green as grass 2 weeks before peak and yellow as a bananas(fan leaves) at day of harvest. I don't have the answer for that one---Maybe the plant is using the energy of the buds to sustain itself??? I don't know.:confused:
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2008
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    ganjagoddess

    ganjagoddess Well-Known Member

    Natural and nonsythetic could also be just exposing them to 1 hour of light during the middle of thier night cycle in flowering.

    That way you dont have to wait extra weeks for the plant to make you seeds past 8 weeks. You will have a plant full of seeds by 8 weeks flowering time.

    The only methods I have ever heard of for producing Feminised seeds are:

    Light Poisining
    Gibberlic Acid
    and Collodial Silver.

    I have yet to hear of your "past Ripeness" theory.

    Although I can see what you mean about a plant not recieving pollen late in the year and winter approaching.

    However, this could also be because the light cycle changes and it is a form of light poisining.

    If the latter is true, then no need to wait additional time past harvest, just do it early in flower!!!
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    DR. VonDankenstine

    DR. VonDankenstine Well-Known Member

    Just to give you an idea of how it works for us-----

    When our flowering rooms peak we harvest all but a few"heavy producers" we don't need more than a few and this also allows us to fill the room back up with clones immediately---The lights never change 12 on/12 off--we never move the lights with the exception of up or down. After 2 or 3 weeks the "few" will have produced male flowers--we carefully put them in a plastic bag if we don't want the next crop to receive that pollen. We then harvest the "few".----The pollen we collected will be good for up to one month so we always have a room of clones in flowering if we are making female seeds---the nice thing about this method is that you can pollinate one or many plants----the choice is yours. Again-I have used and tested this method many times---it works.

    One more thing---they had a guy on the "opera" show who drank that CS for years and his skin was silver!!!---he looked like the silver surfer--no shit!!!
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    BigBudBalls

    BigBudBalls Well-Known Member


    Can ya do this just to one branch, or will the whole plant be effected?

    I just stress da hell out of a runt clone.
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    DR. VonDankenstine

    DR. VonDankenstine Well-Known Member

    Update info bump.
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    joesmiley210

    joesmiley210 Well-Known Member

    thanks for the advice. i will let you know if i get it to work for me
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    napalesegrizzly23

    napalesegrizzly23 Well-Known Member

    well I sprayed 2 plants with colloidial silver about a month ago on 2 outdoor females(1 northern lights,1 napalese grizzly). I sprayed each only once with a heavy dose and later decided I did not have enough plants outside to do this experiment and started to spray only a small clone regularly with CS. Well on my 2 plants that I sprayed once(2weeks into flowering now) they have started to produce male flowers in the buds. Bummer cuz I wanted seedless but kinda cool cuz Ill pollenate some buds on my other pure fems. So my question is what is the best way to go about using this pollen to make good fem seeds? how many seeds should you test to see the quality of the fem ratio?
    Ill get pics up later to show the reversed sex with CS.
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    napalesegrizzly23

    napalesegrizzly23 Well-Known Member

    This is the northern lights that I sprayed with CS. Its pretty crazy cuz 2 days ago I still thought it was all female and then looked today and saw shit loads of nanners forming. Going to use some pollen on another female. hope the female seeds arnt hermie.
    The first 3 pics were from 2 days ago and the other 4 were taken today.

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    Heruk

    Heruk Well-Known Member

    nice so CS works
    I would also like to see if any seed herm

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