HOW TO GET A POUND OFF A 600 w hps

Maine Buds

Maine Buds

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BenFranklin said:
I run a 1000w, perpetual flowering tent in a 38inch by 38 inch, and a 24inch x 3 foot cloning/vegging tent, normally 4 plants in DWC/2.5 gallon pots, with with hydroton rock, I clone using a Ez-Cloner...

What I do: Before I put a clone into flower, I take clones from it, and wait 7-10 days, while the clone I just took, roots, once roots show, into flowering the original clone goes. This way if the clones I cut die, I can take more before I start the original clone flowering. This way I ensure survival.....

So into flowering the original clones go....

I then take the clones that are showing roots; and put them in 5 gallon buckets, set their nutrients at "general purpose".. according to "General Hydro", which is the only nutes I use.. I will let them sit in those 5 gallon buckets for 2 weeks, sometimes more...

So then once they get branches going, I will trim them back... and keep trimming them back until I see that the plants in the flowering tent are almost done... When I see I am about a week away from harvest, I take more clones, reset my nutes from "general purpose feeding" on the clones to full strength vegging, (I then harvest) and then put the clones into the flowering tent. I run vegging nutes for the first 2-3 weeks of flowering, and then convert over to "transition to bloom and then full bloom.

(PS. I use shorter 2.5 gallon buckets in flowering, it keeps my plants shorter than 5 gallon buckets... so they fit just perfect under the 1000W, as I don't have a lot of head room, JUST enough, sometimes one or two tips will get a little bleached, no big deal.)

I work in my grow room, about every 3rd day. give or take a day.

I can get a bit over a 1lb in about 90 -110days, but with perpetual I am getting a 1/2 lb every month... however, I don't nearly smoke that much, so I have to keep hitting the brakes on my perpetuity every few months... LOL!

In other words, sometimes I am only budding one plant under a 1000w. and am only getting like 2 zips from that plant, while I wait for my next set to get done. Just about when I am scraping the bottom of the barrel on my 2 zips, the 1/2 lb will come in. Put it this way, I am never without, and haven't been without in over a decade. I smoke everyday....

Hope this helps a little..
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Ha ha what a great set up. After my other two go in I think I'll try 6 in there all in one shot.
 
BenFranklin

BenFranklin

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Maine Buds said:
I used to use soil and I like coco better. I'm gonna be mixing half roots organic and half coco. Coco holds no nute at all. You even have to feed seedlings( I just found out)
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Uh... don't feed seedling for the first 2 weeks at least.... The little cotyledon carries nutes enough for a months growth. Sometimes depending on environment, they use their food up a little faster...
 
Maine Buds

Maine Buds

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BenFranklin said:
Uh... don't feed seedling for the first 2 weeks at least.... The little cotyledon carries nutes enough for a months growth. Sometimes depending on environment, they use their food up a little faster...
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Ya that's what I thought. But I have done some more research and found that in coir they need to be fed. I saw a dramatic stop in growth and they started to yellow. They will be 2 wks old on the 22nd. So I feed the twice yesterday and a foliar feed this morning. They seem to have greened a bit back but not enough for me to say they are ok.i will be watching they closely so not to burn them.i have a tangerine dream that's a week behind and it just started to do the same thing so I gave it a squirt it has rebounded well also.
 
BenFranklin

BenFranklin

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Maine Buds said:
Ya that's what I thought. But I have done some more research and found that in coir they need to be fed. I saw a dramatic stop in growth and they started to yellow. They will be 2 wks old on the 22nd. So I feed the twice yesterday and a foliar feed this morning. They seem to have greened a bit back but not enough for me to say they are ok.i will be watching they closely so not to burn them.i have a tangerine dream that's a week behind and it just started to do the same thing so I gave it a squirt it has rebounded well also.
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You know.... now that you mention it, I think I've read that somewhere... I think the coir leaches, or it's PH is too high and it adjusts the seedlings rate of intake or something... I do remember someone having issues with it, but I always assumed it was because they nuted their seedlings when they shouldn't have, or now that you say it, may have not done so properly.

With hydroton rocks, I never worry about it... If I had it my way, I'd just eliminate the medium all together and run Aeroponics.
 
Maine Buds

Maine Buds

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I'm not sure I don't remember most of the beginners info on it I usually clone so I keep feeding after they get roots.but it's my first time with seedling in it. I'm sure they will do better once the food I put in the coir starts to work. It from espoma it's the organic plant tone granuals. 5-3-3. How long doe it take for organics to start feeding?
 
Uncle Ben

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For quite a while coir is inert, it takes a long time to provide its NPK of about 1-1-1. A complete food like Dyna-Gro is required for best results. Problem with coir is once it breaks down, it breaks down fast....not good regarding soil structure.

Another pain with coir is the fact that it must be prepared properly, and most don't have a clue. Depends on the source and their quality of course.

Regarding vigor and speed, I have never witnessed a hydro grower grow faster than I can with soil. For example.... https://www.rollitup.org/t/spin-out-for-chemical-root-pruning.9114/

The way you provide nutritional support is not the issue, the plant doesn't care - aeroponics, soil-less, organic soil, DWC, etc. It's how you manage your program that counts, period.
 
theone718

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How many plants of LSD clones should I put in my 4*4 tent I'm planning on putting 8, 5 gallon pots in there to much. My last few grows I been using fox farm nutes..should I switch my nutes this run? Should I switch my medium? Ran soil 3 times already wanna try something different
 
Maine Buds

Maine Buds

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Uncle Ben said:
For quite a while coir is inert, it takes a long time to provide its NPK of about 1-1-1. A complete food like Dyna-Gro is required for best results. Problem with coir is once it breaks down, it breaks down fast....not good regarding soil structure.

Another pain with coir is the fact that it must be prepared properly, and most don't have a clue. Depends on the source and their quality of course.

Regarding vigor and speed, I have never witnessed a hydro grower grow faster than I can with soil. For example.... https://www.rollitup.org/t/spin-out-for-chemical-root-pruning.9114/

The way you provide nutritional support is not the issue, the plant doesn't care - aeroponics, soil-less, organic soil, DWC, etc. It's how you manage your program that counts, period.
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I flush my coir lots before I plant. Some of my girls are using reused coir that are fine. So if the coir itself take a while to release a 1-1-1 . Then how long will it take for the amendments that I put in the medium to start to take effect. I water a little every day depending on how big of pots they are in depends on how much they get.

I usually use flora nova one part nutrients with great results but am slowly switching to organics
 
theone718

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Maine Buds said:
I flush my coir lots before I plant. Some of my girls are using reused coir that are fine. So if the coir itself take a while to release a 1-1-1 . Then how long will it take for the amendments that I put in the medium to start to take effect. I water a little every day depending on how big of pots they are in depends on how much they get.

I usually use flora nova one part nutrients with great results but am slowly switching to organics
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I hear chemicals or organic doesn't matter
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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Maine Buds said:
..... Then how long will it take for the amendments that I put in the medium to start to take effect......

I usually use flora nova one part nutrients with great results but am slowly switching to organics
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Depends on the amendments. Salts such as nitrates, phosphates, sulfates are in a form that is immediately available to the plants. Urea is not for example.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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theone718 said:
I hear chemicals or organic doesn't matter
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You heard wrong (isn't that usually the case?) Unless those organics contain available NPK salts from the get-go or you have a healthy microbial colony at the root zone to convert that blood meal or turkey feathers into nitrates, how is the plant going to benefit?

UB
 
Maine Buds

Maine Buds

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Uncle Ben said:
Depends on the amendments. Salts such as nitrates, phosphates, sulfates are in a form that is immediately available to the plants. Urea is not for example.
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Here's the like to the info I would post it but it's PDF form and can't copied it. It looks all good to me but I have no idea about organics. I do know that I will have to add cal mag to my waters but that's fine. I would assume that these nute would have to be broken down first.


Ha ha sorry

http://www.espoma.com/p_consumer/pdf/products/tones/Esp_Plant.pdf
 
Maine Buds

Maine Buds

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Uncle Ben said:
You heard wrong (isn't that usually the case?) Unless those organics contain available NPK salts from the get-go or you have a healthy microbial colony at the root zone to convert that blood meal or turkey feathers into nitrates, how is the plant going to benefit?

UB
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So how long would it take to grow a healthy colony?
 
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