hornedfrog2000
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I don't get it. He has the biggest, thickest clones ever. How did he get them?? Anyone have clones that look like his? Just thick ass branches I'm talking about... Mine are all weak, and scragly.
How The Hell Did Al B Fuct Get Such Massive Clones?
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bigbillyrocka
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Pictures or it didn't happen. 
hornedfrog2000
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nah.......
ninjagaiden
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2 weeks before veg, hit them up with lots of nuts an dgood light. he also uses several moms.
Springtucky
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what'd he run on his 4x4 something like 32 or 36 clones at 12"? A MH light helps, plus he kept his moms (or mums as he'd say) in flood and drain and have a full 2 weeks inbetween taking cuts. I am now making a run at a perpetual op fashioned after his thread but take clones 6-8" and finish plants at 25" or so 64 on a 4x4 in 5.5" square pots. I get thick stems and am only under T5 flouros.
hornedfrog2000
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His clones had like no branching at all. They were just super thick, sturdy clones. I don't get it. I've never seen anything like them.
rick19011
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Not gonna get much help then are you LOL fail.
jojodancer10
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it can be done, u must take care of ur mom's,al said for veg use a t5, as for the mom's a 400 will do. i did my grow on what al said
-Al-B. Around post #125 in his stuck thread up top. Hope that helpsSounds great.
Why don't you try flowering a few without giving them any veg time? Might make them finish up a few inches shorter in height but weight yield ought to be similar.
I cut larger than usual clones, about 6-8" tall. My story (and I'm sticking to it) is that larger clones partly compensate for zero veg time for my clones.
I suppose 'zero' veg time isn't totally accurate as my mother plants are under 24hr light; clonebox runs 24h as well, so quite technically, as plants independent from the mothers, my clones get 5-10 days of fluoro in the clonebox while they are setting root.
If you find that zero veg time works for you, you can shrink your veg area so it is only maintaining mothers and expand your flowering space accordingly. It'd also speed things up by a week you didn't spend vegging.
Edit-3 years of lurking and i finally found something i knew the answer to!
tip top toker
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I don't really get what the question is, if you want a bigger clone you cut a bigger branch..
hornedfrog2000
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If you don't know al, you fail.
grizlbr
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Found one hiding! Brought it in and forgot about it gave 1/2 neuts time to put in ground!
hornedfrog2000
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ha
I just mean his stems are so thick, but his mothers are so small. It's really odd.
I just mean his stems are so thick, but his mothers are so small. It's really odd.
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hornedfrog2000
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I think that's pretty much the jist of what I said. Too many people trying to help when they don't know wtf they are talking about on this site. If you don't know, don't click.
panhead
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Al was my mentor when i started my flood & drain systems,i followed his examples to the letter & this exact issue of clones took me a while to get down pat.
You cant just slice a clone off any ole plant,it takes a while but you have to select a phenotype that exibits the traights you want before making a mother out of it,the same strain will exibit different phenotypes,some will bush out while others will have tight node growth with no side branching,this is what to look for .
When you get a plant that shoots straight up with no side branching then you nuture it until its full sized then take cuttings to select a mother from.
Having the proper phenotype took me over a year to accomplish,once the mother gets woody branching you take clones from the woody area & start an entirely new mother from the woody clone,once that clone grows into mother size now your set for cutting the massive woody clones with no side branching.
After you take cuttings the mother plant is forced to branch out to survive but it still holds the genes where the clones take off & grow straight up instead of branching out into a bush.
Edit for additional info.
You have to breed the traights you want into the mother,the more times you turn a woody clone into a fresh mother the thicker the woody aspect of the plant becomes,same goes for the clone not bushing out,the longer the cycle of repetitave cloning goes the stronger these traights become, This is the only way to do it.
You cant just slice a clone off any ole plant,it takes a while but you have to select a phenotype that exibits the traights you want before making a mother out of it,the same strain will exibit different phenotypes,some will bush out while others will have tight node growth with no side branching,this is what to look for .
When you get a plant that shoots straight up with no side branching then you nuture it until its full sized then take cuttings to select a mother from.
Having the proper phenotype took me over a year to accomplish,once the mother gets woody branching you take clones from the woody area & start an entirely new mother from the woody clone,once that clone grows into mother size now your set for cutting the massive woody clones with no side branching.
After you take cuttings the mother plant is forced to branch out to survive but it still holds the genes where the clones take off & grow straight up instead of branching out into a bush.
Edit for additional info.
You have to breed the traights you want into the mother,the more times you turn a woody clone into a fresh mother the thicker the woody aspect of the plant becomes,same goes for the clone not bushing out,the longer the cycle of repetitave cloning goes the stronger these traights become, This is the only way to do it.
jojodancer10
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day 5 of veg 4x4 table