how many "true nodes" does larry have?

So I've gotten some mixed results trying to find out the definition of the first *true* node. I'm really wanting to experiment with LST topping, fimming, etc. And I want to known when Larry will be ready. I'm gonna try big (Steve?)'s method of producing 4 trunks, by growing to the fifth or sixth true node and then topping above the second (is that the same as FIM? I've read that its all hormonal driven, and which nodes you grow to/cut at make a difference as to how it regrows, and his method sounds like fimming. Anyways, here's a few shots. He's recovered mostly from my roommate over watering but still a bit droopy on one side.


Also, what is up with my white widow? It only has 1 pointy leaf, I've never seen that. Will he grow the other one? Anyone ever see this, and wind up with a plant that only has the one leaf?

Shit lemme get a pic

Looks like 5 with the 6 about to start

^^ Agreed.

Okay, awesome, that's what I figured. So do you basically just not count the bottom 4 leaves (2 w/o the cotyledons?)

Here's the white widow. I've seen plants do this, but they at least have a teeny tiny small growth of a new leaf. Think she'll be alright?

You'll be lucky if she grows much, one leaf is like a genetic malfunction, hold onto her for a week or so but by then you should know if she will make it.

They tend to grow funky after only sprouting one leaf.

ThorGanjason said:

Here's the white widow. I've seen plants do this, but they at least have a teeny tiny small growth of a new leaf. Think she'll be alright?
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ThorGanjason said:

So I've gotten some mixed results trying to find out the definition of the first *true* node. I'm really wanting to experiment with LST topping, fimming, etc. And I want to known when Larry will be ready. I'm gonna try big (Steve?)'s method of producing 4 trunks, by growing to the fifth or sixth true node and then topping above the second (is that the same as FIM? I've read that its all hormonal driven, and which nodes you grow to/cut at make a difference as to how it regrows, and his method sounds like fimming.

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I've never heard the phrase "true node" so maybe I just don't know WTF I'm talking about, but that's about the second "true" node IMO, if true node is the nodes that it actually will keep and doesn't abandon soon... and I would not recommend topping that for a WHILE, way way too early. No offense but this would likely belong better in the Newbie area... Also topping and FIMing are HST, not LST.

Further the one leaf thing shouldn't be a problem unless it fails to grow and then it's a retard, you get those from time to time.

Wondering if someone has opinion bout my prob. Have a sativa i topped and has 5 or 6 bud sites along ea branch, tied em down. Bout 9 wk in flower, dirt, t5 with cfl. Anyway, last night she split right where i had topped, prob 1-1 1/2 inchs down stem. I taped a splint to try hold together. Anybody have anything else i might be able to try? Thx

Wondering if someone has opinion bout my prob. Have a sativa i topped and has 5 or 6 bud sites along ea branch, tied em down. Bout 9 wk in flower, dirt, t5 with cfl. Anyway, last night she split right where i had topped, prob 1-1 1/2 inchs down stem. I taped a splint to try hold together. Anybody have anything else i might be able to try? Thx
Sry to jack ur thread, jus desperate

Gamberro said:

I've never heard the phrase "true node" so maybe I just don't know WTF I'm talking about, but that's about the second "true" node IMO, if true node is the nodes that it actually will keep and doesn't abandon soon... and I would not recommend topping that for a WHILE, way way too early. No offense but this would likely belong better in the Newbie area... Also topping and FIMing are HST, not LST.

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Cool, thanks for the experienced reply man. "True" node is something I saw one guy talking about; I hadn't ever heard of it so I wasn't sure. After seeing the lack of responses after several times asking, I think I'm learning its bullshit, lol.

And yeah, im not sure why I typed LST topping, I think I meant to say LST and topping/fimming. Haven't heard of those two referred to as high stress training, good info.

HamSaze330 said:

You'll be lucky if she grows much, one leaf is like a genetic malfunction, hold onto her for a week or so but by then you should know if she will make it.

They tend to grow funky after only sprouting one leaf.

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Gamberro said:

Further the one leaf thing shouldn't be a problem unless it fails to grow and then it's a retard, you get those from time to time.

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Okay, man that suuuuucks I was reaalllly looking forward to the white widow. Especially after hearing so many people say its a great beginner plant and generally looks amazing. Out of the 3 good seeds I started, it was the one I wanted to see grow the most. If she doesn't work out, I might pop my blue dream or something.

chiefrokaho said:

Wondering if someone has opinion bout my prob. Have a sativa i topped and has 5 or 6 bud sites along ea branch, tied em down. Bout 9 wk in flower, dirt, t5 with cfl. Anyway, last night she split right where i had topped, prob 1-1 1/2 inchs down stem. I taped a splint to try hold together. Anybody have anything else i might be able to try? Thx
Sry to jack ur thread, jus desperate

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Do you have any pics? Did you top after you started flowering? Plants aren't like animals, if something gets damaged enough, then it generally dies and the plant ejects it. Their physiology is really simple, they can't repair a whole lot.

Put up a pic.

ThorGanjason said:

So I've gotten some mixed results trying to find out the definition of the first *true* node. I'm really wanting to experiment with LST topping, fimming, etc. And I want to known when Larry will be ready. I'm gonna try big (Steve?)'s method of producing 4 trunks, by growing to the fifth or sixth true node and then topping above the second (is that the same as FIM? I've read that its all hormonal driven, and which nodes you grow to/cut at make a difference as to how it regrows, and his method sounds like fimming. Anyways, here's a few shots. He's recovered mostly from my roommate over watering but still a bit droopy on one side.
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Also, what is up with my white widow? It only has 1 pointy leaf, I've never seen that. Will he grow the other one? Anyone ever see this, and wind up with a plant that only has the one leaf?

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the first true node is where the first true leaves emerge. on the stem there are nodes (where the leaves emerge) and there are internodes (areas of stem only). the node is like an armpit. there are dormant leaf buds at each node.
the seedling with the pointy leaf is normal. everything looks AOK for you my friend.
As for the guy who asked a question in your thread....put up a pic and youll get better responses.

ThorGanjason said:

Do you have any pics? Did you top after you started flowering? Plants aren't like animals, if something gets damaged enough, then it generally dies and the plant ejects it. Their physiology is really simple, they can't repair a whole lot.

Put up a pic.

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Topped it before 12/12. Ive read that they can recover from alot but dont know bout this. Thx alot

Hmm, so you topped it right before the flip? How long ago did you flip to 12/12?

If its split down the middle, but there's a branch going up from both sides then you may be alright. As long as the channels the plant used to pass water/nutrients to the tips are in tact then everything above the split could be fine. If it was a horizontal sever in that same spot, and went more than halfway through then everything from there up would die.

But depending on how long yours has been like this, if it hasn't died yet then I'd say be careful not to let it get worse, and you may be alright.

Edit: sorry, double post..

chiefrokaho said:

Topped it before 12/12. Ive read that they can recover from alot but dont know bout this. Thx alot

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From the looks of it, your plants are seriously suffering from light deficiency. Your buds are very airy looking, and I would hope you are about to harvest because you don't have a single fan leaf...All this comes into play with the plant trying to HEAL itself. Super cropping involves almost breaking a stem completely and I've never had a plant die from doing it. The answer to your question is, you got a lot of leaf, with minimal THC development and dieing plants that are more then likely not going to recover because they were not very healthy to begin with. You need a WAY better light then just t5s and CFL's to get true bud development. What you have is going to taste like leaf, smoke like oregano, and look like air. I only answer your question because the original poster had his question answered. DON'T THREAD JACK, it's very disrespectful.

-Sorry if I seemed a bit harsh

Yeah, its hard to get any help thread jacking. Much easier making your own thread so that people who know about it can answer.

I notices that about the airy looking buds too, and also couldn't notice any fan leaves. Good luck; if this grow doesn't pan out get some better lights and keep trying. Just learn from your mistakes and your bud will get better and better.

dannyboy602 said:

the first true node is where the first true leaves emerge. on the stem there are nodes (where the leaves emerge) and there are internodes (areas of stem only). the node is like an armpit. there are dormant leaf buds at each node.
the seedling with the pointy leaf is normal. everything looks AOK for you my friend.
As for the guy who asked a question in your thread....put up a pic and youll get better responses.

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Wait a sec, so when you say the first "true leaf" do you mean the first leaf with seven fingers? That would make sense why the guy said to top it above the second true node. BC otherwise you would be hopping your whole plant down basically. So when he says let it grow to the fifth or sixth true node, and top at the second, he really means let it grow like 8-10 nodes (from the trunk) and then top it above the sixth. That makes a lot more sense BC I thought my plant was way too young to top

Thank you, VegasKush, for putting in a nice way the things which I was tempted to say, but in a mean way. I've been exercising quiet restraint since becoming a father, but I might have bust a capillary if those two things hadn't been said.