How many 200Watt CFL's

My grow space is around 2.5Sq Mtrs how many 200 Watt CFL bulbs should be in a space that size ,,, Anything would be helpfull . is there a rule of thumb for how many and how close the bulbs should be ? there isnt much information on using cfl bulbs for growing..
 

canefan

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I don't know a rule of thumb I was kind of hit and miss when I started. Now I am running an array of different watt bulbs around 3 100 watt cfls above an area about half your size, anyway the total cfl watts is 675. This keeps my little ones happy or so it seems to me. I have 3 row of lights which each light can be raised or lowered and each row turned on or off independently of each other. This gives me the option of only using what amount of light I need at a given time, electric is a killer here.

Hope this helps good Luck and Welcome to RIU
 

bullwinkle60

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I have 9 sf grow area and I use 6 85 watt CFL's for two plants 3 6500 k and 3 2700 k.
My understanding is 3 4 inches away from mature plants.
 
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The Question Was:

I intend to grow a single cannabis plant in a space 1' x 2'. What light would you recommend? I was think of using four 30-watt compact fluorescent lamps. Will this be enough? Cost isn't an issue but I am deterred from getting a high pressure sodium [light] because of the amount of heat the bulb produces.

The Answer Is:

As you mentioned, you have several lighting systems to choose from, including compact fluorescents and high pressure sodium (HPS) lamps. Among HPS lamps you have a choice between a single 100-watt lamp which uses a total of about 120-watts and emits about 8,800 lumens(73 lumens per watt) or a 150-watt lamp, which uses about 180 watts and emits almost double that-15,800 lumens (87 lumens per watt).

A 42-watt compact fluorescent (CFL) emits about 2700 lumens(64 lumens per watt). Four 42 watt CFLs use 168 watts and emit 10,800 lumens. Other size CFLs have a similar efficiency.

However, that is only part of the story. Plants use mostly red and blue light. Yellow and green light is of little use to them, so light that is emitted in these spectrums is wasted energy. Most of the light emitted by HPS lamps is in the yellow spectrum. Only a small amount of the emitted light is in the orange or red spectrums, which plants use efficiently. Warm white fluorescents (2700 Kelvin) emit a greater portion in the red and orange sectors.
Although fluorescents produce only about 75% of the light per watt that the HPS does, the amount of light usable by the plant is equal or probably higher with the fluorescents. You may wish to experiment to see if adding a single cool white CFL to replace one warm white results in shorter, stouter stems and more vigorous growth. The reasoning is that warm whites don't emit much blue light, which the plants use for photosynthesis and to regulate their growth. The cool white bulb supplies the blue light.

My call for your unit would be to use several (three to five) CFLs with a total input of between 120-160 watts. Although the 150 watt HPS is a bit more efficient that the CFLs in total output, watt for watt the fluorescents provide as much useful light as the HPS lamp. Heat is another consideration. The HPS runs much hotter and emits more heat than the flourescents.

Make sure to use reflective material around the garden so that any light escaping the garden is reflected back to the plants. Any light that doesn't get to the plant leaves is wasted.


Look at a lumen/watt ration of various CFL's. The higher the wattage of CFLs, the lower the lumen/watt ratio. This chart was submitted by Jerry Garcia, a grow buddy from another grow site, and edited for typos.

For example...

the 200w listed at 9250 lumens for a lumens/watt ratio of 9250/200=46.25

the 150w is listed at 7500 lumens for a l/w ratio of 7500/150=50

the 125w is listed at 6500 lumens for a l/w ratio of 6500/125=52

the 42w are listed for 2700 lumens, l/w ratio of 2700/42=64.28

I have some 26w that give off 1700 lumens for a l/w ratio of 1700/26=65.38

GE lists some 13w that give off 825 lumens for a l/w ratio of 825/13=63.46

So, according to these numbers the most efficient bulbs for growing are the 26w that emit 1700 lumens. If you used 8 26w bulbs (208 watts total) you'd be getting 13,600 lumens...4,350 more lumens than a single 200 watt CFL. AND the eight 26 watt bulbs would cost less than the one 200 watt bulb.

I suppose you need to purchase more sockets and cords and things to support 8 bulbs, but in the long run more lower watt CFLs seem like the way to go.
 

Xcon

Active Member
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So, according to these numbers the most efficient bulbs for growing are the 26w that emit 1700 lumens. If you used 8 26w bulbs (208 watts total) you'd be getting 13,600 lumens...4,350 more lumens than a single 200 watt CFL. AND the eight 26 watt bulbs would cost less than the one 200 watt bulb.

I suppose you need to purchase more sockets and cords and things to support 8 bulbs, but in the long run more lower watt CFLs seem like the way to go.
It sure is, cfls can be wired for less than the cost of the bulbs. I agree 100% with you, 26w cfls are cheaper than dirt and provide the best bang for your buck.
 

GermiNATE B

Active Member
Hey, I found this on another site.. Thought you'd like to have a peek.

Sorry to burst everyone bubble, but lumens DO NOT add together, at least not in the sense that 2 cfl's that output 2000 lumens will be as bright as a 4000 lumen cfl's. Contrary to popular belief, it's just not the way it works, you can have 50 2000 lumens cfls side by side and if you use a luxometer to measure the light output it will only measure 2000 lumens. I've actually witnessed a demonstration of this. On the other had you still will double the amount of photons and usable light the plant recieves, so all is not lost, The luxometer was held within 2 inches beneath the lights, i was just trying to make a point with the whole 50 light thing, i saw it done with just 2 bulbs, 1 bulb first, then with 2, same reading. I mean it just makes sense, lumens are a measure of brightness, you cant increase the brightness of a light source by adding something of the same brightness, you just get more light, alot of people get that confused
 

grizlbr

Active Member
At least I have an informed starting point when I double my lights! Waiting for winter. Lowes & HD prices are the same for bulbs the fixture & reflector is the bugger! So now the physics I started seeds verticle cfl's on shelves behind bathroom door/ Ran out of shelves went to hor. over table to get light on seedlings. So up to 4 feet tall I need two or more 4' verticals equally spaced around a lazy susan? Going t see if second crop of tomatoes will produce before frost.
 

Xcon

Active Member
I saw the same thing on this site. Not that I'm trying to discredit anyone, but I've kept my 416w cfl board 8" from the tops for several weeks with no stretching. Reason I keep them so high is I don't use a fan in my veg room, I actually tried to induce stretching by raising the lights. Some clones I took recently, 5 nodes within an inch of growth... I can't complain :)
 

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GermiNATE B

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I saw the same thing on this site. Not that I'm trying to discredit anyone, but I've kept my 416w cfl board 8" from the tops for several weeks with no stretching. Reason I keep them so high is I don't use a fan in my veg room, I actually tried to induce stretching by raising the lights. Some clones I took recently, 5 nodes within an inch of growth... I can't complain :)
Yea, totally agree about the node spacing.. I'm currently using cfl lighting, 125w and x6 26w bulbs and I keep them nice and close to the plants and they really love it.
 
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