How long before I give up?

4nikator · Oct 16, 2016

Roger A. Shrubber said:
i think they pretty much stop maturing when the bud they were in dries out, you might get a few more days of ripening after harvest but i wouldn't count on much more

thx. I haven't used a hygrometer, but the buds appear as dry as some too expensive average weed I bought. I've smoked at least 5 bong hits and the effect is just below average, no hilarity, or 'ups',

Some of the seeds--- 1 out of hundreds---- is still soft and mushy, so they are rare.

It's the coloring I'm concerned with since nearly of them have that pale green, light tan color that I can't ever recall popping. Unless they turn darker to light brown, I am concerned that of the millions of seeds I have, only a rare one will be viable.

And seriously wasting precious time.

Roger A. Shrubber · Oct 16, 2016

from what i've been reading, and the few i've cared to try it with, if just do what you did with the first ones, but put them in the fridge instead of the freezer, with some uncooked rice, or a couple of desiccant pack, you'll have the best chance you can have without waiting a few months for them to dry out and harden up on their own

rob333 · Oct 16, 2016

Jeffro420 said:
I have 15 seeds that I started in wet paper towel in a sealed Tupperware on the cable box for warmth. After 2 days 5 of the 15 had small roots and a few more were cracked open. So at thr point I put them all into rapid root plugs. Within 2 days 8 of thr 15 were about 2 inches tall and looking good. The other 7 have not even cracked open yet?

I always do it the same way and get better results like 100% or 90%. I must add that these were seeds I crossed and made. They were nice and brown with black stripes. I let them dry out for 3 weeks. Then put them in the freezer for 2 weeks. Pulled thrm out and waited another week before I sprouted them.

Could it be because I put them in the freezer? Is there a possibility they may still pop? It's been 7-8 days now. What's the longest I should wait before I toss them?

Appreciate the input.

i store my seeds in the freezer all the time but the do take longer to pop then any other seed i give them at least 14 days up up 21-26 is were i give up and toss them but saying that i have never had a bad seed i have seed that are 17 years old that pop like they just come off the plant

4nikator · Oct 17, 2016

rob333 said:
i store my seeds in the freezer all the time but the do take longer to pop then any other seed i give them at least 14 days up up 21-26 is were i give up and toss them but saying that i have never had a bad seed i have seed that are 17 years old that pop like they just come off the plant

Funny, that's how I got started growing again after decades. I had some not so great Sativa seeds that were moved over 20 years from one place to another, one house to another, in the freezer, in the fridge, on the workbench for months, then back in the freezer, just laying around in the basement......

One day last year I decided to see if they were still viable. Damn. 12 seeds thrown in some very fertile garden soil in May 2015, and by June with no special attention paid to them they ALL popped. That began my mini-obsession with growing again. I had to thin them because some seeds landed too close to each other.

Still concerned about the "greenish color" of this new batch of seeds. Only a very few are light brown. No rush so I'll just collect them and wait till January or April 2017 and see what happens, taking a few every 4 weeks, and throwing them in water.

They are from two 'late hermied' plants and from what I read here they should all be females when (if) they pop.

Silence 208 · Oct 17, 2016

It's really strange hearing you guys say you put your seeds in the freezer I really think that's a bad idea even tho the seed is sealed the inside could still burn cool dark place my seeds have been good for over 10yrs

Silence 208 · Oct 17, 2016

4nikator said:
Funny, that's how I got started growing again after decades. I had some not so great Sativa seeds that were moved over 20 years from one place to another, one house to another, in the freezer, in the fridge, on the workbench for months, then back in the freezer, just laying around in the basement......

One day last year I decided to see if they were still viable. Damn. 12 seeds thrown in some very fertile garden soil in May 2015, and by June with no special attention paid to them they ALL popped. That began my mini-obsession with growing again. I had to thin them because some seeds landed too close to each other.

Still concerned about the "greenish color" of this new batch of seeds. Only a very few are light brown. No rush so I'll just collect them and wait till January or April 2017 and see what happens, taking a few every 4 weeks, and throwing them in water.

They are from two 'late hermied' plants and from what I read here they should all be females when (if) they pop.

Hey just a question when you harvested your crop and seeds were the seed visible on the plant or did you have to break open the Calyxes or did the seeds just fall right out ,between the two if they just fell out as you pinched the buds they are fully matured if they hold on to the plant they are premature. I've bred seeds in the past and always wait till you see the seeds ready to fall out the buds higher viability rate to make sure your seeds are decent at least try the slight pinch test if the seed pops open I wasn't ready if it's firm and strong it will be fine

Roger A. Shrubber · Oct 17, 2016

i don't think the problem here is how long you store them, its how long you don't store them. plants "know" its about to be winter when they drop seeds, it would be silly for them to pop right away.
that seed is supposed to lie dormant and cold for at least 3 or 4 months, which also gives it time to harden up. thats kind of the point with the whole fridge or freezer thing, to trick them into thinking they've laid on the cold ground for a while. people put desiccant packs or uncooked rice in with them to absorb any moisture they give off and harden them up. you might be able to pop a seed after 2 weeks in the fridge...but i think you'd have a lot better luck if you let them sit in there at least a month, probably two would be better. you can't change several million years of evolution to suit yourself

stuckonsticky · Oct 17, 2016

Yeah the seeds should be a nice tiger stepped over brown color rather than the pale green immature seeds companies used to pass off for genetics. Shit I remember when I started like 15 or so years ago and I ordered seeds from a lot of places and half of em were greenish white and never popped. Now though they have places that sell legit pollen , I ordered some Tahoe og pollen and I plan on starting a few strains. I already know what my favorite strains are so now it's just finding the right plant and painting pollen onto a few lower buds with a paintbrush and Whamo....you've got good seeds. Not female. But I don't wanna waste time with stress induced hermies anyway. They can really sneak up and fuck you royaly...dam hermies

4nikator · Oct 17, 2016

Silence 208 said:
Hey just a question when you harvested your crop and seeds were the seed visible on the plant or did you have to break open the Calyxes or did the seeds just fall right out ,between the two if they just fell out as you pinched the buds they are fully matured if they hold on to the plant they are premature. I've bred seeds in the past and always wait till you see the seeds ready to fall out the buds higher viability rate to make sure your seeds are decent at least try the slight pinch test if the seed pops open I wasn't ready if it's firm and strong it will be fine

Nearly all were and are still very much attached, not falling out. Now that the branches have been drying for over a week, the water is nearly all gone due to the total lack of humidity in the area in which they are drying. Most of any green leaves turns to dust just touching them. The GSC is quite aromatic and sticky, so I have had a few buzzes with it, but it is far from its potential. The 100% sativa harvest more and more is losing its pine scent and beginning to smell more and more like hay, which I understand means there is little if any THC in that harvest, but I have a bazillion seeds if anyone wants them.

Silence 208 · Oct 17, 2016

What I meant by visible is when you look at the buds the seed has broke through the Calyxes exposing the seed which should be dark and tiger striped just barely poking out of the bud

Silence 208 · Oct 17, 2016

And what genetics are these seeds from ?? And the hay smell is when the humidity has not been controlled properly and there is moisture deep in the bud but SUPER crispy on the outside of the bud in the future try and hang dry for 7-10 days then put them in paper bags for 7-10 day fluff every 2 days then once the stem snaps put in glass jars first for 5 days then burp it fluff it then continue curing and burping every other day for 3-4 weeks

Roger A. Shrubber · Oct 17, 2016

the hay smell has nothing to do with thc, thats mostly chlorophyll breaking down and being consumed by bacteria. make sure you keep burping it and letting that smell gas out, when it does it will smell better

rob333 · Oct 17, 2016

4nikator said:
Funny, that's how I got started growing again after decades. I had some not so great Sativa seeds that were moved over 20 years from one place to another, one house to another, in the freezer, in the fridge, on the workbench for months, then back in the freezer, just laying around in the basement......

One day last year I decided to see if they were still viable. Damn. 12 seeds thrown in some very fertile garden soil in May 2015, and by June with no special attention paid to them they ALL popped. That began my mini-obsession with growing again. I had to thin them because some seeds landed too close to each other.

Still concerned about the "greenish color" of this new batch of seeds. Only a very few are light brown. No rush so I'll just collect them and wait till January or April 2017 and see what happens, taking a few every 4 weeks, and throwing them in water.

They are from two 'late hermied' plants and from what I read here they should all be females when (if) they pop.

i do notice tho seeds that are over the 10 years mark of age to get a few genitc issues like buds growing from the fan leaves but i do beleave it may be a over does of humic and fulvic acids lol

4nikator · Oct 18, 2016

Silence 208 said:
And what genetics are these seeds from ?? And the hay smell is when the humidity has not been controlled properly and there is moisture deep in the bud but SUPER crispy on the outside of the bud in the future try and hang dry for 7-10 days then put them in paper bags for 7-10 day fluff every 2 days then once the stem snaps put in glass jars first for 5 days then burp it fluff it then continue curing and burping every other day for 3-4 weeks

One is GSC and the other unknown 100% Sativa seed whose trunk looks more like a Hemp plant, thick, robust, gnarly roots I could make a hammer head with, with small flowers and pleasant but not much smell. My wife likes it because she says it makes her laugh, from the the tainted (fertilized) crop of last year. I will try for another crop on three plants this year indoors, mainly because I have a head like a rock. This is 2 years in a row now that this ancient seed pool (over 20 yrs old) did not get its fair chance to show if it is anything more than a 'butch' Sativa, with no real fem qualities. This is just a labor of great dislike.

4nikator · Oct 19, 2016

rob333 said:
i do notice tho seeds that are over the 10 years mark of age to get a few genitc issues like buds growing from the fan leaves but i do beleave it may be a over does of humic and fulvic acids lol

I have thousands od seeds and no problem crushing quite a few. So far i can only find seeds that are empty husks.

Shouldn't the internal part of the seed be a soft, oily white substance?

Silence 208 · Oct 19, 2016

A moist little white embryo should reside in the seed

Silence 208 · Oct 19, 2016

If you don't store the seeds properly they dry up and die so cool dark area in zip lock bags in a plastic dark container been storing mine for 8 yrs now

4nikator · Oct 19, 2016

Silence 208 said:
A moist little white embryo should reside in the seed

I thought so. These seeds are, so far, 90%, DOA.

I'll crush a hundred of the darkest ones and if I get no moist li'l embryos, i'm gonna take an ounce of buds, minus the seeds, and make some chocochip cookies and toss the rest of the crop, keeping only an ounce of bud, as poor as it is. I think i'll bong and vape a bowl or 3 now and drown my incompetence, frustration, hostility, anger and depression over 5 wasted months.

But how could i have protected this outdoor grow from the devastating effects of the sun, with a month of 94 degree days and 75 degree nights, no humidity?

thx for the info.

4nikator · Oct 19, 2016

Silence 208 said:
If you don't store the seeds properly they dry up and die so cool dark area in zip lock bags in a plastic dark container been storing mine for 8 yrs now

These were all just harvested two weeks ago when the plants in three days went from what i thought would be a bumper crop of Fems, to hermies, no male in sight. Yanked the plants after 4 days of that nonsense and hung to dry. They are kept in my basement, cool, and drying out on the stems, couldn't even see most of them.

Silence 208 · Oct 19, 2016

Sometimes having a shed or even a clear tarp will help reduce heat levels from destroying your product it sucks man but watch some YouTube vids on how outdoor growers handle the elements

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