How I know God is real

dannyboy602

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why can't i just love me and love everyone else, and just be a good, decent person, and not some scum bag, and do the right thing for the right reasons, and not have to love some one i don't think exists..
why isn't my being a good person and doing the right things enough, why do i need to love something i don't believe in?
Then for you my young friend it is enough to live a decent life without knowing God. But that doesn't work for everyone. Some people just need more.
And don't think for a minute I'm judging you for not believing bc I'm not. But life becomes fuller and more meaningful once you let go of doubt and disbelief.
I don't spend any time trying to change people's minds. I'm not a preacher. I frankly don't care weather you believe or not. It's not my role to increase his flock. And I think you'll still be saved in the end if you live the life you say you want to live. But he does exist. I have felt his presence. And I am totally confident that anyone who asks God to come into their lives won't be let down. It makes me sad though that I see something that other people can't. And I want for them to see it.
 

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

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I'm not special and not deserving of God's love any more than anyone else. But I'm open to his messages and he speaks to me in simple ways that I can understand. It's really that simple. It isn't my huge ego that creates his existence nor is it my desperation to have a God to turn to in times of trouble in my life. But I know there is someone protecting me and I feel a divine influence and almost always have. By rights I should be dead. There have been too many occasions that should've led to that end. But I'm still here. And it isn't a coincidence.
Like I said I'm not special. God has a plan for me and he has one for you too. And he doesn't ask much either. Love the Lord and love your neighbor as yourself. The rest is smoke and mirrors. The church, the bible. All of it.
you say the bible/church etc is smoke and mirrors yet you quote the bible , and how would you ever even know anything about a god without the bible church /etc ?
 

dannyboy602

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you say the bible/church etc is smoke and mirrors yet you quote the bible , and how would you ever even know anything about a god without the bible church /etc ?
Where did I quote the Bible? I don't know enough to quote it? What I mean by smoke and mirrors SH is the Bible is a bunch of stories. Handed down and edited out the wazoo. They're good stories but I take them at face value. The church as much as I respect and love it has huge faults. Mega huge.
It is made up of humans with problems like the rest of us. I take the church with a big grain of salt.
But my relationship with God is priceless. It is pure. It has no faults. It's not as beautiful a thing as when I was a young boy but it's still as strong.
But you're right about not knowing anything about God without the bible and the church. I need them both. It's just that I don't look at them both through the same eyes as when I was a youngster.
 

JSJ

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if nothing had happend when you asked god to give you a sign what would you of thought then ?
I know I would have never started this thread

I wouldn't have thought anymore about it. I would have shrugged off the shivers as my imagination and since he never answered a simple request, then he must simply not exist.

Trust me when I say I have always had a cynical nature. I believe a time or two I could be quoted as saying God is for weak minded people to cope with life.

I'll be the first to say it's all a bit crazy. Ask my wife, I pondered long and hard on the thought that I might be going loco myself, it freaked the living crap out of me, made me rethink everything I thought I knew.
 

Ceepea

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I'm an atheist, but I really did enjoy reading that. I don't think god teleports cats though... (or exists) If the cat never came back would it be proof that god doesn't exist?
 

Nevaeh420

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Where did I quote the Bible? I don't know enough to quote it? What I mean by smoke and mirrors SH is the Bible is a bunch of stories. Handed down and edited out the wazoo. They're good stories but I take them at face value. The church as much as I respect and love it has huge faults. Mega huge.
It is made up of humans with problems like the rest of us. I take the church with a big grain of salt.
But my relationship with God is priceless. It is pure. It has no faults. It's not as beautiful a thing as when I was a young boy but it's still as strong.
But you're right about not knowing anything about God without the bible and the church. I need them both. It's just that I don't look at them both through the same eyes as when I was a youngster.
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"Oh, Danny Boy, Danny Boy, Danny Boy"

(When ever I hear this song, I think of YOU, Dannyboy, lol.)

~PEACE~
 

Hydrotech364

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My background is about as same as everybody else's in here. I grew up in a family of 5, 2boys and a girl. I am the youngest. My father worked swing shifts at the local factory and mom stayed at home. We never went to church, talked about God or had any involvement with religious beliefs. All that I knew about God was that I recited, one nation, under God, every morning in school. The school system taught me that I evolved from a fish that had arisen from a primordial soup. I was a believer, I mean science and math says so. It makes perfect sense if you think about it. Just as man is starting to climb down out the trees they start to explain away things they couldn't conceive has being a God. So obviously man is the creator of the gods. And has all my text books taught me, through the centuries science has stepped up and disproved all gods. Draughts are explainable acts of nature, not the rain gods being unhappy with us. Thunder and lightning comes from a storm cell full of warm moisture and static electricity, not the gods being pissed off and angry with us. And Darwin's theory of macro evolution explained away the remaining God, the creator of all life. Sound tidy and neat, the history of life all spelled out in science text books. I am a firm believer in science, hated in school, love it as an adult. As an adult I picked up a bible for the first time, I was 28. My intentions were to disprove what was in the bible. It didn't take me long to find my first few footholds in my attempt to tear the bible apart. God created everything we see in six days. Seriously??? Science says that everything we see is 14.3 billion, BILLION, years old and it took millions of years for the planets and stars to form. This is going to be easier than I thought. And then came all the begetting of who beget who, and then come to find out, some of these people were still getting to begetting well into their elderly years, like 150 years and 300 years and lived to be 900 years. This stuff is fairytales for sure, so I got bored with discrediting the bible and put it all off to the side, still knowing that God was not real. In the meantime my father had also picked up a bible for the first time, he was 61. About a year later I saw something I never had imagined, my father got up in front of church service and got baptized. I still held fast to my guns and me and him debated the existence of God a few times. He would always end his arguments with, "I would rather live the rest of my life like there is a God, to die and find out there isn't; than to live like there is no God and die only to find out that there is." Word's of fear?
The second time I opened a bible, I was in jail, I was 31. I had 180 in the county for beating the shit out of 2 "cage fighters" after they called me a "biker bitch" out back of a bar. At the time of my commitment my father just found out he had cancer. He was at his home with hospice care the morning I turned myself in. He was sitting on the front porch when I went to see him and told him what I had done and that I was on my way to jail. He looked square in the eyes and told me to, "Go do what you have to do, pay your time and then straighten your shit up." Those were the last words he ever said to me, 5 days later a co came into the dorm, pulled me out, took me to booking and told me I needed to call my parents. Mom put the phone up to dad's ear, I could hear his gasping, I told him to hang on and I would be there as soon as they let me out, I told him I loved him, the gasping stopped, mom screamed, the phone went silent. The co was cool enough to let me chill out in the mess hall for a while so I could compose myself before going back into the dorm. Some kid came from the corner of the room and asked if he could pray for me, I didn't know what that meant, but I told yeah sure. He said his lil prayer and he left a bible on my foot locker. When I opened the book it opened nice and neat to the book of James. My dad's name was James. I started reading it, and I can't tell exactly what it said, but I remember it talking about controlling your anger, or at least that is how I understood it. Was that just a coincidence, or was something more profound at work. At any rate it didn't change my life or my concept of what God was. In fact it probably made me even more cynical. Why would God accept my fathers baptism and then turn around and let him die?
Fast forward 8 more years, I am still the cynical non believer, added a few more trips to county, a few more busted knuckles and scars, a few more years of probation, a busted up relationship, and an overwhelming feeling of guilt that I never turned out to be somebody to make my father proud. His words still echo in my ears, to straighten my shit up.
So now it's just the same old story, but with a new cast of characters. I found a woman, who despite ALL my flaws, loves me like I have never felt love before. She actually married me!! lol So now I am 39, I am drunk, my wife is mad, her words, my words, more alcohol, more of her drunk blabber and I pick up a kitchen chair and throw it across the kitchen, at her, it hits the countertop and explodes, she doesn't get hurt, but she leaves, goes to her sister's. A few days later I am on the phone with my wife's mother, very religious person. She asks if she can pray for me, second time somebody has prayed for me in my life, I told her I really think I need it. After she prayed for me she told me a silly story about how she sometimes prays aloud that she rebukes all evil, I laughed, she didn't. That night I replaced a broken door knob on the back door. Wanting my wife to come back home, and knowing that now she has no keys to house, I wrote a lil letter and New backdoor key in it and left to go to her sister's. As I was leaving, the wife's cat ran out door, I yelled him a few times to get back in the house but he being a cat, he refused. I pulled the door shut, double checked the new door knob, and kicked at the cat as I walked to my truck. I tucked the letter and key on the dash of my wife's truck and headed back home. I was still thinking thinking about the phone conversation from earlier and as I drove I said this aloud, "I rebuke all evil and I pledge my alledgence with God". I suddenly felt 3 shivers, almost like getting a cold chill, but not being cold. Strangest thing that had up to that point ever happened to me. I immediately convinced myself that it was a figment of my imagination, I gave myself the cold chills by thinking that there was a God. I pondered this the rest of the way home, and even asking, "if that was real, if you are real, show me, make me believe", it didn't take long for God to give me answer. I pulled up out back, yelled for the wife's cat as I walked through backyard, shook my keys, he was nowhere to be found. I walked across the deck, double checked the new door knob, unlocked door and as I walked into the house, the wife's cat walked towards me from inside the house. As a 6'9" 300# 39 year old grown man, I have never felt fear like that. I tasted fear, worse than putting your tongue on a 9v. I still get a shiver when I think about that moment. And then as clear as all get out I hear the words "you took that better than we thought", but it wasn't aloud, it was in my head. Everybody has a lil voice in their heads, but this wasn't that lil voice, and as soon as I heard that voice, the calmest feeling fell over me. So now my attention is back on this dam cat, a cat who runs from the room when I walk into it, a cat that doesn't like me as much as I don't like him, this cat walks up to me and figure 8s through my legs. I immediately spent the next half hour going from room to room and back again, double, triple and quadruple checking every door and window, everything was shut and locked, just like it was when I left, except for the cat being in the house. And I must have kicked that cat a dozen times as I tried to walk from room to room and he tried walking figure 8s through my legs. Him loving on me like that, he must have been just as scared as I was.
So that is how I know there is a God. I don't know much about religions, and I don't know a lot about God, but I do know that there is a supernatural being who comes to us in our weakest hour, and he works miraculous works in mysterious ways.
God bless all of you who believes in his miracles.
Head Injury?
 

gardengardian7

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My background is about as same as everybody else's in here. I grew up in a family of 5, 2boys and a girl. I am the youngest. My father worked swing shifts at the local factory and mom stayed at home. We never went to church, talked about God or had any involvement with religious beliefs. All that I knew about God was that I recited, one nation, under God, every morning in school. The school system taught me that I evolved from a fish that had arisen from a primordial soup. I was a believer, I mean science and math says so. It makes perfect sense if you think about it. Just as man is starting to climb down out the trees they start to explain away things they couldn't conceive has being a God. So obviously man is the creator of the gods. And has all my text books taught me, through the centuries science has stepped up and disproved all gods. Draughts are explainable acts of nature, not the rain gods being unhappy with us. Thunder and lightning comes from a storm cell full of warm moisture and static electricity, not the gods being pissed off and angry with us. And Darwin's theory of macro evolution explained away the remaining God, the creator of all life. Sound tidy and neat, the history of life all spelled out in science text books. I am a firm believer in science, hated in school, love it as an adult. As an adult I picked up a bible for the first time, I was 28. My intentions were to disprove what was in the bible. It didn't take me long to find my first few footholds in my attempt to tear the bible apart. God created everything we see in six days. Seriously??? Science says that everything we see is 14.3 billion, BILLION, years old and it took millions of years for the planets and stars to form. This is going to be easier than I thought. And then came all the begetting of who beget who, and then come to find out, some of these people were still getting to begetting well into their elderly years, like 150 years and 300 years and lived to be 900 years. This stuff is fairytales for sure, so I got bored with discrediting the bible and put it all off to the side, still knowing that God was not real. In the meantime my father had also picked up a bible for the first time, he was 61. About a year later I saw something I never had imagined, my father got up in front of church service and got baptized. I still held fast to my guns and me and him debated the existence of God a few times. He would always end his arguments with, "I would rather live the rest of my life like there is a God, to die and find out there isn't; than to live like there is no God and die only to find out that there is." Word's of fear?
The second time I opened a bible, I was in jail, I was 31. I had 180 in the county for beating the shit out of 2 "cage fighters" after they called me a "biker bitch" out back of a bar. At the time of my commitment my father just found out he had cancer. He was at his home with hospice care the morning I turned myself in. He was sitting on the front porch when I went to see him and told him what I had done and that I was on my way to jail. He looked square in the eyes and told me to, "Go do what you have to do, pay your time and then straighten your shit up." Those were the last words he ever said to me, 5 days later a co came into the dorm, pulled me out, took me to booking and told me I needed to call my parents. Mom put the phone up to dad's ear, I could hear his gasping, I told him to hang on and I would be there as soon as they let me out, I told him I loved him, the gasping stopped, mom screamed, the phone went silent. The co was cool enough to let me chill out in the mess hall for a while so I could compose myself before going back into the dorm. Some kid came from the corner of the room and asked if he could pray for me, I didn't know what that meant, but I told yeah sure. He said his lil prayer and he left a bible on my foot locker. When I opened the book it opened nice and neat to the book of James. My dad's name was James. I started reading it, and I can't tell exactly what it said, but I remember it talking about controlling your anger, or at least that is how I understood it. Was that just a coincidence, or was something more profound at work. At any rate it didn't change my life or my concept of what God was. In fact it probably made me even more cynical. Why would God accept my fathers baptism and then turn around and let him die?
Fast forward 8 more years, I am still the cynical non believer, added a few more trips to county, a few more busted knuckles and scars, a few more years of probation, a busted up relationship, and an overwhelming feeling of guilt that I never turned out to be somebody to make my father proud. His words still echo in my ears, to straighten my shit up.
So now it's just the same old story, but with a new cast of characters. I found a woman, who despite ALL my flaws, loves me like I have never felt love before. She actually married me!! lol So now I am 39, I am drunk, my wife is mad, her words, my words, more alcohol, more of her drunk blabber and I pick up a kitchen chair and throw it across the kitchen, at her, it hits the countertop and explodes, she doesn't get hurt, but she leaves, goes to her sister's. A few days later I am on the phone with my wife's mother, very religious person. She asks if she can pray for me, second time somebody has prayed for me in my life, I told her I really think I need it. After she prayed for me she told me a silly story about how she sometimes prays aloud that she rebukes all evil, I laughed, she didn't. That night I replaced a broken door knob on the back door. Wanting my wife to come back home, and knowing that now she has no keys to house, I wrote a lil letter and New backdoor key in it and left to go to her sister's. As I was leaving, the wife's cat ran out door, I yelled him a few times to get back in the house but he being a cat, he refused. I pulled the door shut, double checked the new door knob, and kicked at the cat as I walked to my truck. I tucked the letter and key on the dash of my wife's truck and headed back home. I was still thinking thinking about the phone conversation from earlier and as I drove I said this aloud, "I rebuke all evil and I pledge my alledgence with God". I suddenly felt 3 shivers, almost like getting a cold chill, but not being cold. Strangest thing that had up to that point ever happened to me. I immediately convinced myself that it was a figment of my imagination, I gave myself the cold chills by thinking that there was a God. I pondered this the rest of the way home, and even asking, "if that was real, if you are real, show me, make me believe", it didn't take long for God to give me answer. I pulled up out back, yelled for the wife's cat as I walked through backyard, shook my keys, he was nowhere to be found. I walked across the deck, double checked the new door knob, unlocked door and as I walked into the house, the wife's cat walked towards me from inside the house. As a 6'9" 300# 39 year old grown man, I have never felt fear like that. I tasted fear, worse than putting your tongue on a 9v. I still get a shiver when I think about that moment. And then as clear as all get out I hear the words "you took that better than we thought", but it wasn't aloud, it was in my head. Everybody has a lil voice in their heads, but this wasn't that lil voice, and as soon as I heard that voice, the calmest feeling fell over me. So now my attention is back on this dam cat, a cat who runs from the room when I walk into it, a cat that doesn't like me as much as I don't like him, this cat walks up to me and figure 8s through my legs. I immediately spent the next half hour going from room to room and back again, double, triple and quadruple checking every door and window, everything was shut and locked, just like it was when I left, except for the cat being in the house. And I must have kicked that cat a dozen times as I tried to walk from room to room and he tried walking figure 8s through my legs. Him loving on me like that, he must have been just as scared as I was.
So that is how I know there is a God. I don't know much about religions, and I don't know a lot about God, but I do know that there is a supernatural being who comes to us in our weakest hour, and he works miraculous works in mysterious ways.
God bless all of you who believes in his miracles.
Ill tell you what one heck of a testimony. So are you a believer in JESUS CHRIST?
 

JSJ

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Head Injury?
That point could be made, lol


Ill tell you what one heck of a testimony. So are you a believer in JESUS CHRIST?
I'm not sure to be honest.

I mean I believe he was a real man, wise man, great prophet and teacher, but I still have some hard issues with the theology of Jesus.

First is the trinity. That is just way too complicated to wrap my injured head around and I don't know enough yet to really make any valid comments on it.

Christian's way of getting around the fact they are deitifing a man?

Secondly, from what I have read, I understand Jesus to be God's son, not God in the flesh. Jesus himself always said "my father" when referring to God.

The virgin birth, Mary's womb being planted with the seed of God, I can totally dig that.

So maybe more like God's DNA in the flesh??

Third, if he truly was the messiah, why did the Hebrews reject him? If we all live in God's plan and God is omniscient, he surely would have known that this was going to happen. So why wouldn't the Judean/Christian Old Testament tell us that he would be crucified?

And then the whole crucifixion and resurrection.

The crucifixion, without a doubt was real. No need hashing that out.

The resurrection, funny how in the Codex Sinaiticus, the earliest written account of Mark's gospel, had no resurrection.

The KJV, surely does though, so do you believe in the resurrection that didn't exist until MAN added it??
 

JSJ

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Alright, like I have admitted, this is all new to me, so I doubled checked my last statement, I am wrong in that statement.

Mark does have the resurrection, but it stops at 16:8 with they left the sepulchre, trembling, and they told no one because they were scared. The end.

KJV however picks up at 16:9-20, with Jesus appearing to the disciples and telling them to preach the gospel.

So I guess you can't really say that the resurrection didn't happen, or at least we know that the men in white were there, but Jesus's body was not, maybe they just took the body and said he had risen.

Either way, according to Mark nobody ever saw the resurrected Jesus. Now seeing how all theologians uniformly agree that Mark's gospel was written first and Matt, Luke and John were written from Mark's gospel, where did Matt, Luke and John get their accounts of a resurrected Jesus?

So I guess I should rephrase my last question in the post above, do you believe in the man made resurrection??
 

Nutes and Nugs

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Your ignorance, at no fault of your own, makes a great point, so I'd like to rephrase my previous post;

"It's not real, except to crazy retards who don't accept reality, if it's not real to everyone"

Thanks Nutes!
I'm real and believe in myself.

Too bad you are part of the herd.
 

Padawanbater2

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I read this in its entirety, so hopefully you take this seriously..

You are using the word "know" incorrectly, as it stands, from reading your OP, you don't know God exists. You believe one does.

The story about your dad is very sad, but you should understand that you were in a vulnerable state of mind at the time, just like being drunk, your mind was not capable of making rational decisions regarding the existence of God. Being in that state of mind and feeling the combinations of emotions that you were going through at the time are not a good point to start from when asking existential questions about the universe and existence. Ask yourself these same questions in a healthy state of mind and you'll likely end up with very different answers.

The coincidences aren't coincidences when you're an emotional wreck seeking answers, they're confirmation bias not based in reality. You wanted answers, so your brain found them anywhere it could. During times of grievance and emotional distress it's extremely common to feel what you felt at the time, it happens to us all.

The problem with your reasoning and conclusion that God is real and that you recognized signs of his existence is that there's no connection outside your mind between what you felt and God. You linked the two because you needed a resolution of the situation and a hope to hold onto. To illustrate what I mean, why God? Why not Allah, Buddha, or any of the thousands of unknown Gods that came before them, or even fictional Gods like the flying spaghetti monster or Dr. Manhattan? Why "God"? (Am I right in assuming you were born to western parents in the western world?)


None of this negates what you felt or what you believe happened to you. I just wanted to clarify my position
 

dashcues

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Alright, like I have admitted, this is all new to me, so I doubled checked my last statement, I am wrong in that statement.

Mark does have the resurrection, but it stops at 16:8 with they left the sepulchre, trembling, and they told no one because they were scared. The end.

KJV however picks up at 16:9-20, with Jesus appearing to the disciples and telling them to preach the gospel.

So I guess you can't really say that the resurrection didn't happen, or at least we know that the men in white were there, but Jesus's body was not, maybe they just took the body and said he had risen.
GMark relies on rhetoric.The author was writing for effect.His audience is assumed to know the story.
Either way, according to Mark nobody ever saw the resurrected Jesus. Now seeing how all theologians uniformly agree that Mark's gospel was written first and Matt, Luke and John were written from Mark's gospel, where did Matt, Luke and John get their accounts of a resurrected Jesus?
I know of several scholars who give Matthew priority.And some scholars say the (Q)uelle gospel would have been the earliest form of the gospel that was textually transmitted.
I,myself,believe in Gmark as the first in textual form,and think (Q) would have been the earliest oral tradition of the narrative.
 
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JSJ

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I read this in its entirety, so hopefully you take this seriously..
You are using the word "know" incorrectly, as it stands, from reading your OP, you don't know God exists. You believe one does.

The story about your dad is very sad, but you should understand that you were in a vulnerable state of mind at the time, just like being drunk, your mind was not capable of making rational decisions regarding the existence of God. Being in that state of mind and feeling the combinations of emotions that you were going through at the time are not a good point to start from when asking existential questions about the universe and existence. Ask yourself these same questions in a healthy state of mind and you'll likely end up with very different answers.

The coincidences aren't coincidences when you're an emotional wreck seeking answers, they're confirmation bias not based in reality. You wanted answers, so your brain found them anywhere it could. During times of grievance and emotional distress it's extremely common to feel what you felt at the time, it happens to us all.

The problem with your reasoning and conclusion that God is real and that you recognized signs of his existence is that there's no connection outside your mind between what you felt and God. You linked the two because you needed a resolution of the situation and a hope to hold onto. To illustrate what I mean, why God? Why not Allah, Buddha, or any of the thousands of unknown Gods that came before them, or even fictional Gods like the flying spaghetti monster or Dr. Manhattan? Why "God"? (Am I right in assuming you were born to western parents in the western world?)

None of this negates what you felt or what you believe happened to you. I just wanted to clarify my position
First, a quick rebuttle about whether I am using the word "know" in the right terms.

Assuming that your stance is God doesn't exist(which it kinda sounds that way), then you "believe" there is no God, but you do not "know" that there is no God.

As for the rest of your post, very respectful and sincere, and I would agree with everything in it. Believe me when I say that your stance was my opinion for 39 years. I am coming to you from the same point of view, and it is from that point of view that I "know" the cat was outside, I "know" I asked God if he was real and I "know" the cat was inside when I opened the door, and after a few days of investigations I "know" there is no way for him to get in. When you add that many "knows" up, the only answer is I "know" that God exists.

And I also agree that geography certainly dictates if I would have said God, Allah or the spaghetti monster, and I use the term God not in a religious term, but in an all mighty term.
 

thepenofareadywriter

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let see what the bible calls god...
'1Jn 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.'
'Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.'
spir·it
ˈspirit/
noun
  1. 1.
    the nonphysical part of a person that is the seat of emotions and character; the soul.
    "we seek a harmony between body and spirit"
    synonyms:soul,psyche,(inner) self,inner being,inner man/woman,mind,ego,id;
    pneuma
    "harmony between body and spirit"
  2. 2.
    those qualities regarded as forming the definitive or typical elements in the character of a person, nation, or group or in the thought and attitudes of a particular period.
    "the university is a symbol of the nation's egalitarian spirit"
    synonyms:ethos,prevailing tendency,motivating force,essence,quintessence;
    atmosphere,mood,feeling,climate;
    attitudes,beliefs,principles,standards,ethics
    "the spirit of the age"
 
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