How Do Vegans Feel About Animals That Eat Other Animals?

Luger187 said:

is it okay to eat kobe beef? theyre treated pretty good.

my friend grew up vegetarian and one day got talked into trying a hot dog at a birthday party. he puked

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i dont like to eeat any animal that is raised on feed that is not natural to it. so a cow should be eating grass, not grain. kobe is grain fed (grain = unheathy fat + more calories). i also don't like to eat caged animals because they didn't live naturally. i only eat free range chicken and cage free eggs. i know it tastes the same (for the most part) but i don't want to put money into an industry that i think is bringin the quality of the food (and health) in the US down. grass grazed cows are much ebtter for you and contain healthy fats and antioxidants that are not found in grain-fed animals. I feel better about eating an animal that lived on a field than one that lived and died on a feedlot. it is bad karma, bad quality, bad for your health and bad for the environment. i feel better about eating meat that came from an animal that lived a decent life.

the reason the majority of beef is not grass fed is because corn is addictive and fattens up the cows in half the time. it's all about the allmighty dollar. Younger, fatter, sicker animals on the grocery store shelves. pretty sad.

medicalmaryjane said:

i dont like to eeat any animal that is raised on feed that is not natural to it. so a cow should be eating grass, not grain. kobe is grain fed (grain = unheathy fat + more calories). i also don't like to eat caged animals because they didn't live naturally. i only eat free range chicken and cage free eggs. i know it tastes the same (for the most part) but i don't want to put money into an industry that i think is bringin the quality of the food (and health) in the US down. grass grazed cows are much ebtter for you and contain healthy fats and antioxidants that are not found in grain-fed animals. I feel better about eating an animal that lived on a field than one that lived and died on a feedlot. it is bad karma, bad quality, bad for your health and bad for the environment. i feel better about eating meat that came from an animal that lived a decent life.

the reason the majority of beef is not grass fed is because corn is addictive and fattens up the cows in half the time. it's all about the allmighty dollar. Younger, fatter, sicker animals on the grocery store shelves. pretty sad.

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I am assuming that you have watched food inc, but if you haven't you really ought to. It will really reinforce a lot of those beliefs. Unfortunately we as americans don't care where our food comes from, and that should worry people. The flipside of all of that grainfed beef is that the price of meat is lower than it has ever been, and retroactively we as americans eat more meat then ever before in history. I for one love that I can eat meat everyday, and this is only because the system is the way it is. Do i agree with the way they treat their animals? Certainly not. But damn do i love meat. Now its time for breakfast... where did i put that bacon

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prototypeone said:

I am assuming that you have watched food inc, but if you haven't you really ought to. It will really reinforce a lot of those beliefs. Unfortunately we as americans don't care where our food comes from, and that should worry people. The flipside of all of that grainfed beef is that the price of meat is lower than it has ever been, and retroactively we as americans eat more meat then ever before in history. I for one love that I can eat meat everyday, and this is only because the system is the way it is. Do i agree with the way they treat their animals? Certainly not. But damn do i love meat. Now its time for breakfast... where did i put that bacon

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i did see food inc and i really liked it but i ahve been this way for a long time. i am one of these people who doesn't eat meat too often. i had some yesterday but before that, i hadn't in a week or so. i don't eat meat at restaurants because i don't know where it came from. i order fish or shellfish or veggie dishes. it's expensive and annoying but it's important to me. i know it bothers my bf who will eat anything but i can't change my principles. i feel that the meat industry has gotten so bad that it could literally make us sick. i think this is the right thing for the long-run and for animals, to that live as nature intended. i won't even tell you what i pay for steaks or even hamburger beef... it's weird that i care, i am agnostic/athiest and i don't want kids. i don't care much about the future of the world. i care because I care about living breathing creatures and i hate suffering.

The Stig said:

the idea of being vegetarian is to respect other life form in an intelligent way
So.. what about animals that eat other animals... easy... they just don't have another choice so it's fine...
in other words a lion is not guilty for killing zebras because the lion doesn't know how to grow food..
but a HUMAN that it's pretty capable of growing food should not support the fact that millions of animals live like slaves just waiting for the day they will get killed and turn into a hamburger
the industrial mafia of killing animals like they are inferior beings is what is wrong...

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Here's the problem with that, a lion has the ability to snack on as much grass as it wants, but it chooses to kill another animal and feast on it. Yes, some large corporate farms that make huge amounts of money are not right, but there are ways to get meat that was treated humanely, and its quite readily available. Also, just look at how humans were made, first our teeth, we in fact have teeth for tearing at meat, not a full set of dull chompers to break up plant material. Then our stomachs, we have a single stomach designed to break down meats, while say a giraffe has multiple stomachs because it takes much longer to break down plant material.

We are designed to eat meat. Period. It's the natural order of things. If you don't want to...fine...good luck living your expensive lifestyle. I can eat healthy and still have meat.

Don't drag all this intellectual shit about "it's the intelligent way to treat life" into it. That's garbage and a cop out. There is no intelligent way to treat your food. You realize vegetarians didn't really exist until roughly the last 100 years or less? Ya. For a reason. You have the power of free will to eat what ever whenever. Meat or not. But don't preach shit about it being a more intelligent decision. That's ignorant. Btw...they cover your veggies in pesticide and poison. Organic or not. And uh...I'll take a corn filled cow over chemicals any day. And don't they use chemicals to grow the shit?


Grass Fed cows...fuck they are insanely good. I prefer them. Clearly.

lions cant eat grass and human ancestors at first were vegetarian then we gained the ability to hunt and started eating meat

No system with fixed rules works IMO. I see vegetarians not eating jelly because it has gelatine in it, which is mainly sourced by boiling up chickens feet and animal bones. Theres no animals being saved by not eating gelatine, its a by product. What I`m trying to say is vegetarianism and veganism are ideas which are being followed mindlessly and on false ideals.

I`m trying to eat more and more veggies as its simply more enviromentally friendly. Its not to do with feeling sorry for the animals, its a dog eat dog world, we are dominant and we can do whatever we want. Ever seen the video where the wasp lays its egg into the cockroach and the larvae eats the cockroaches motor control nerves and continues to eat it inside out? Animal cruelty is the product of our guilt, its an ideal reflected on the world, which is powered by the high empathy we are designed to have against one other as social animals. I don`t belive in animal cruelty, I belive in unnecessary animal cruelty and my general actions are like those of an enviromentalist/animal lover.

Though concider a 1 acre field where the farmer is growing plants and producing 1 part of protein. A farmer producing the same 1 part of protein from beef would be using enough land to produce 15 parts of protein from plants. Inneficent? Very, especially concidering the 9 billion people on this planet!

The best thing we can all do is eat more veggies, not turn vegetarian or feel guilt for eating meat, thats not the case at all. Just eating meat every day is very heavy on the enviroment taking into concideration transporting and processing meat, the artificial methods used to rear the animals, the artificial fertilisers and insecticides used to gather the grain and the list goes on.

And also bearing in mind that my friend is starting to eat meat upon being told he has to by his doctor, 10 year vegetarian gone down Meat is necessary in small amounts.

Looking at our teeth structure, it bears resemblence to herbivore teeth more than carnivore teeth. If you belive in evolution, our closest ancestors and teeth structure hints a main diet of fruit, nuts, plants and plant roots along with whatevers around (e.g meat, insects, seafood)

Ranting on here a little but I belive (along with top scientists) that the food of the future is insects. Anybody squeamish?

And yeah eat meat everyday, but just keep in mind thats greed and waste. Its just one more thing this planet is going to punish us for, soon

medicalmaryjane said:

i did see food inc and i really liked it but i ahve been this way for a long time. i am one of these people who doesn't eat meat too often. i had some yesterday but before that, i hadn't in a week or so. i don't eat meat at restaurants because i don't know where it came from. i order fish or shellfish or veggie dishes. it's expensive and annoying but it's important to me. i know it bothers my bf who will eat anything but i can't change my principles. i feel that the meat industry has gotten so bad that it could literally make us sick. i think this is the right thing for the long-run and for animals, to that live as nature intended. i won't even tell you what i pay for steaks or even hamburger beef... it's weird that i care, i am agnostic/athiest and i don't want kids. i don't care much about the future of the world. i care because I care about living breathing creatures and i hate suffering.

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you should read the book 'the jungle'. things used to be a LOT worse

Tenner said:

No system with fixed rules works IMO. I see vegetarians not eating jelly because it has gelatine in it, which is mainly sourced by boiling up chickens feet and animal bones. Theres no animals being saved by not eating gelatine, its a by product. What I`m trying to say is vegetarianism and veganism are ideas which are being followed mindlessly and on false ideals.

I`m trying to eat more and more veggies as its simply more enviromentally friendly. Its not to do with feeling sorry for the animals, its a dog eat dog world, we are dominant and we can do whatever we want. Ever seen the video where the wasp lays its egg into the cockroach and the larvae eats the cockroaches motor control nerves and continues to eat it inside out? Animal cruelty is the product of our guilt, its an ideal reflected on the world, which is powered by the high empathy we are designed to have against one other as social animals. I don`t belive in animal cruelty, I belive in unnecessary animal cruelty and my general actions are like those of an enviromentalist/animal lover.

Though concider a 1 acre field where the farmer is growing plants and producing 1 part of protein. A farmer producing the same 1 part of protein from beef would be using enough land to produce 15 parts of protein from plants. Inneficent? Very, especially concidering the 9 billion people on this planet!

The best thing we can all do is eat more veggies, not turn vegetarian or feel guilt for eating meat, thats not the case at all. Just eating meat every day is very heavy on the enviroment taking into concideration transporting and processing meat, the artificial methods used to rear the animals, the artificial fertilisers and insecticides used to gather the grain and the list goes on.

And also bearing in mind that my friend is starting to eat meat upon being told he has to by his doctor, 10 year vegetarian gone down Meat is necessary in small amounts.

Looking at our teeth structure, it bears resemblence to herbivore teeth more than carnivore teeth. If you belive in evolution, our closest ancestors and teeth structure hints a main diet of fruit, nuts, plants and plant roots along with whatevers around (e.g meat, insects, seafood)

Ranting on here a little but I belive (along with top scientists) that the food of the future is insects. Anybody squeamish?

And yeah eat meat everyday, but just keep in mind thats greed and waste. Its just one more thing this planet is going to punish us for, soon

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that actually sounds like it could work haha

One of the most disturbing things I've ever seen was the day I drove by a ranch where veal was being raised. I will never eat veal.

Luger187 said:

that actually sounds like it could work haha

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Insects are cold blooded. They don`t waste energy warming their bodies up, they are very efficent and the meat they produce is heathier than animal meat.

Very easy and quick to grow, they are efficent and healthy what more can you ask them to be

People are just so afraid of them now, can`t even look at them under a microscope. I bet it was bingo when one started crawling on us when we sat down in the primitive times. Straight in the mouth... Crunch the chitin shells to get the jelly juices outta them as the poor things are kicking and wriggling to get away Yummy

The jungle is a great book. I've read it 3-4 times, first time was for school and i liked it. Kinda disgusting as hell too, grinding up loads of meat that were rejected by the people they were sending to because it was rotting and mixing it in with the stuff they are sending out. ick. someone losts an arm in a grinder? eh, just mix it in and send it out.

darkdestruction420 said:

The jungle is a great book. I've read it 3-4 times, first time was for school and i liked it. Kinda disgusting as hell too, grinding up loads of meat that were rejected by the people they were sending to because it was rotting and mixing it in with the stuff they are sending out. ick. someone losts an arm in a grinder? eh, just mix it in and send it out.

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I liked the parts where everyone got sick and about how their were fires.

medicalmaryjane said:

i did see food inc and i really liked it but i ahve been this way for a long time. i am one of these people who doesn't eat meat too often. i had some yesterday but before that, i hadn't in a week or so. i don't eat meat at restaurants because i don't know where it came from. i order fish or shellfish or veggie dishes. it's expensive and annoying but it's important to me. i know it bothers my bf who will eat anything but i can't change my principles. i feel that the meat industry has gotten so bad that it could literally make us sick. i think this is the right thing for the long-run and for animals, to that live as nature intended. i won't even tell you what i pay for steaks or even hamburger beef... it's weird that i care, i am agnostic/athiest and i don't want kids. i don't care much about the future of the world. i care because I care about living breathing creatures and i hate suffering.

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There was a recent case in the uk, where dodgy meat processer were taking out of date meat from supermarkets and other sources, cleaning it with chemicals and bleach, reprocessing it and selling it back to the supermarket,s some people are just pure evil

d.s.m. said:

Zebras don't know how to grow food either.

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zebras aren't doing anything wrong.. ignorant people slaving/killing millions of animals are

d.s.m. said:

Would it be wrong to eat a cow that died of natural causes?

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it would be fine, because from the karmic point of view you are not slaving/killing/torturing the animal just to have another meal

but from a vegan point of view it would still be a primitive act
after all would you eat a human that died? same thing...

The important thing here is to remember that animals are exactly like you an me.. and we should learn how to live in harmony instead of slaving and killing them

Kodank Moment said:

We are designed to eat meat. Period. It's the natural order of things. If you don't want to...fine...good luck living your expensive lifestyle. I can eat healthy and still have meat.

Don't drag all this intellectual shit about "it's the intelligent way to treat life" into it. That's garbage and a cop out. There is no intelligent way to treat your food. You realize vegetarians didn't really exist until roughly the last 100 years or less? Ya. For a reason. You have the power of free will to eat what ever whenever. Meat or not. But don't preach shit about it being a more intelligent decision. That's ignorant. Btw...they cover your veggies in pesticide and poison. Organic or not. And uh...I'll take a corn filled cow over chemicals any day. And don't they use chemicals to grow the shit?


Grass Fed cows...fuck they are insanely good. I prefer them. Clearly.

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what happen KodankI tough you were more intelligent.. (no offense...)

an intelligent human being is that witch is capable of understanding his actions and consequences, if you support an industrial mafia that just slaves and kills millions of life form just like you.. so another fat guy can have a hamburger that's retarded...

or do you truly believe that animals are inferior beings and we shouldn't give a fuck about the fact that they are just like you and me... how would you feel if an alien race that eats human meat comes here puts you on a jail until you get fat and then kills you just because you look inferior to them...

also who told you that vegetarians only have 100 years lol... please don't spread misinformation...


ps. like I said no offense, please don't take it personal. that's my opinion if yours is different good luck with that


life if about making choices and evolving your consciousness.. I just don't get why would some people decide to go backwards instead of moving forward for a better future

The Stig said:

...but a HUMAN that it's pretty capable of growing food should not support the fact that millions of animals live like slaves just waiting for the day they will get killed and turn into a hamburger ...:

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That is what I call raising and growing food. Remember, food animals are bread and raised for that purpose. If there was not a need, the breeding would be slowed or cut. How many animals would never existed and experienced life? More stock animals have had some sort of life due to the meat industry. If not for that, that animal may never of existed. Even if we gave up on all meat, you think those animals would be out in the wild? If so, they would need to be hunted to prevent over population causing them to starve. I am betting most stock animals would simply cease to exist other than in a zoo because there would be no need to raise them.

bobtokes said:

i'd like to know what they feel when they can smell smokey bacon frying

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Hungry im sure...

This is what i dont under stand why do you care. Its still growing food to me. we just got smart enough to say fuck chasing something.

The Stig said:

the idea of being vegetarian is to respect other life form in an intelligent way


So.. what about animals that eat other animals... easy... they just don't have another choice so it's fine...
in other words a lion is not guilty for killing zebras because the lion doesn't know how to grow food..

but a HUMAN that it's pretty capable of growing food should not support the fact that millions of animals live like slaves just waiting for the day they will get killed and turn into a hamburger


the industrial mafia of killing animals like they are inferior beings is what is wrong...

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