How big is Canada’s marijuana market, really?Here’s why that’s not safe bet

HotKarl2

HotKarl2

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CalyxCrusher said:
It forces businesses to have far more MASSIVE overheads as a result due to the initial buy in. Some may not be able to start their business as a result of the much higher initial costs for lighting alone.

Im all for LEDs and where theyre heading. Im not for taking peoples choices away using law especially when it comes to something as simple as lighting.
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I agree man. This guy is out to lunch mandating efficiencies for the free market.
I got one thing to say to him ( not you)..

Hey boss, it's pretty efficient to hold in your farts too, but it ain't in the Newton equations...
 
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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HotKarl2 said:
LOL, I never said period...beware those who would sell you regulations as they most certainly have something of a monopoly in mind..

Maybe we got more efficient cars, but it is arguable that this was due to legislation. What we actually got brother, are cars that might be more efficient on gas, but that gas costs 3-4 times what it cost before the regulations. And the engines don't last near as long as the "gas" is more than 10% ethanol. It's arguable whether we got anything at all by legislation that the free market wouldn't have given us if it was what people wanted.

Now we have electric cars whose battery production causes entire cities to be complete hazardous waste lands. But those places are in China so we don't care and consider it sustainable. LOL right.
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The price of fuel was going to rise whether cars got more efficient it not, so that argument doesn't hold water.

Batteries can be recycled without wrecking the environment. With so many more batteries involved, it will become much easier to develop an economically viable recycling industry.

Back to energy efficiency in commercial grows, better efficiency means lower cost per unit of production, which leads to lower cost to the consumer. I fail to see how that's a bad thing?
 
RetiredGuerilla

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Grow massive amounts of industrial hemp for food, fuel and fiber. The sprawling root system replenishes, heals and loosens soil. This improves it and makes it fertile for the next crop chosen in the rotation. The broad leaves and roots chokes out the weeds so no need for herbicides or pesticides due to the plants built in defense system. The massive amounts of C02 in the atmosphere will be digested and give off clean air to breathe. The hemp plant can provide man with everything he needs. :blsmoke:
 
TheRealDman

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If there was such a concern with efficiency with commercial grows, heavy energy use jurisdictions should be mandated to “greenhouse growth only”. It boggles my mind to see the carbon footprints of these massive indoor grows. They should all be banned.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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RetiredGuerilla said:
Grow massive amounts of industrial hemp for food, fuel and fiber. The sprawling root system replenishes, heals and loosens soil. This improves it and makes it fertile for the next crop chosen in the rotation. The broad leaves and roots chokes out the weeds so no need for herbicides or pesticides due to the plants built in defense system. The massive amounts of C02 in the atmosphere will be digested and give off clean air to breathe. The hemp plant can provide man with everything he needs. :blsmoke:
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This is great for hemp in the summer.

For winter vegetables and medical cannabis, there's indoor growing!
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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TheRealDman said:
If there was such a concern with efficiency with commercial grows, heavy energy use jurisdictions should be mandated to “greenhouse growth only”. It boggles my mind to see the carbon footprints of these massive indoor grows. They should all be banned.
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While there is something to be said for greenhouses, it is not true that they're always more efficient everywhere.

For openers, most commercial facilities of any size actually spend more of their total energy bill managing the indoor climate than lighting it. Greenhouses have the same issues, especially in winter.
 
HotKarl2

HotKarl2

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ttystikk said:
The price of fuel was going to rise whether cars got more efficient it not, so that argument doesn't hold water.

Batteries can be recycled without wrecking the environment. With so many more batteries involved, it will become much easier to develop an economically viable recycling industry.

Back to energy efficiency in commercial grows, better efficiency means lower cost per unit of production, which leads to lower cost to the consumer. I fail to see how that's a bad thing?
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Well first off like I said, you gain efficiency on the LEDs but you lose some heat byproduct. Love to see your zero loss system, sounds like unicorns. When I go out in the winter I know a winter coat is going to hold the heat in, but it is not going to heat the show if you know what I mean. Newton and stuff.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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HotKarl2 said:
Well first off like I said, you gain efficiency on the LEDs but you lose some heat byproduct. Love to see your zero loss system, sounds like unicorns. When I go out in the winter I know a winter coat is going to hold the heat in, but it is not going to heat the show if you know what I mean. Newton and stuff.
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LED lights still make heat. Heat management is central to performance and efficiency. I'm not sure where you're getting unicorns from?

And yes it will heat the show so no, I don't know what you mean.
 
HotKarl2

HotKarl2

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Cool heat your show but don't mandate that everyone else use your choice of "efficient" lighting. That is just BAD TASTE. Trust me you don't want the Hot Karl.
 
CalyxCrusher

CalyxCrusher

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ttystikk said:
Back to energy efficiency in commercial grows, better efficiency means lower cost per unit of production, which leads to lower cost to the consumer. I fail to see how that's a bad thing?
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Yes EVENTUALLY that will be the case. But not for awhile considering you have to pay off an LED fixture which costs 3-4 X what HID does. Scale that upwards for commercial purposes and you can see price differences of 30-50k minimum in initial costs for lighting alone.
 
CalyxCrusher

CalyxCrusher

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ttystikk said:
LED lights still make heat. Heat management is central to performance and efficiency. I'm not sure where you're getting unicorns from?

And yes it will heat the show so no, I don't know what you mean.
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Yes they produce heat, although far less than HID which is why supplemental heat works best. LED crops tend to grow best at 85F
 
greg nr

greg nr

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ttystikk said:
I think it's a good guideline. I'm not one of those complaining about it.
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Yeah, I hear you, but they do have a good point. No other industry is being subjected to this type of ruling. Just converting parking lots would save much more energy than the entire cannabis grow industry by orders of magnitude.

We aren't really a greenhouse friendly state; at least not for 4 season grows.
 
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