House of Garden vs. Dutch Master
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guitarabuser
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Never used Dutch Master but H&G has been very kind. I use their line exclusively. I tried adding things to it but it it created issues. I use their Aquaflakes, Multizyme, Bud XL, Roots Excelurator, Magic Green, Drip Clean, and Shooting Powder.
Mcgician
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I use Dutch Master nutes as well and can't say one bad word about them. What I've found is that their products are "no bullshit". They don't have a line of 13+ items you absolutely "have to have" like Advanced Nutrients or H&G. IMO, that's where they make all their money. This is my first run using the ADD .27 product though, and at the moment things look great. It's not cheap though. Each liter was $25 and if you have a long flowering run, or a big resevoir, it may cost you up to $75 to use it with each nutrient change all the way through. I plan to use two separate resevoirs next run, and do a comparison between ones that used it, and ones that got a combination of GH's Diamond Nectar and Floralicious Plus. Also, from the feedback I've heard from making my way around many of the hydro shops around here, is that House and Garden makes good flowering nutes, but only average grow formulas. Many that use them are using Flora Nova nutes from GH to veg with instead. Btw, I see very little, if any yellowing of leaves all the way through flower. IMO, this is one of the most undervalued traits of successful growing.
Btw, their Liquid Light and Penetrator (now called Saturator) is beyond amazing as a foliar spray. Well worth the money!
The only thing that has me perplexed is whether or not there are any fulvic or humic compounds any of their products. It pisses me off that I can't get a straight answer out of them about that either. I've emailed them that question, and only got the "like Coca Cola can't reveal their secrets, neither can we" response. Weak, very weak. At least tell me if I'm running the risk of doubling up on stuff?! Fuckkk. I continue to use Diamond Nectar through the first 2 weeks of flower, then switch to Floralicious Plus the remainder. What I can tell you is that there ARE fulvic and/or humic compounds in the H&G nutes. I was told this first hand from one of their reps at the SF Hydro show back in July. Notice they don't make any mention of them on their label either. Pisses me off.
Btw, their Liquid Light and Penetrator (now called Saturator) is beyond amazing as a foliar spray. Well worth the money!
The only thing that has me perplexed is whether or not there are any fulvic or humic compounds any of their products. It pisses me off that I can't get a straight answer out of them about that either. I've emailed them that question, and only got the "like Coca Cola can't reveal their secrets, neither can we" response. Weak, very weak. At least tell me if I'm running the risk of doubling up on stuff?! Fuckkk. I continue to use Diamond Nectar through the first 2 weeks of flower, then switch to Floralicious Plus the remainder. What I can tell you is that there ARE fulvic and/or humic compounds in the H&G nutes. I was told this first hand from one of their reps at the SF Hydro show back in July. Notice they don't make any mention of them on their label either. Pisses me off.
Mcgician
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Yes. They are all good choices except for great white. The high salinity in the nutrient solution will kill off your mycorrizhae. Total waste of money. Go to DMaster's website and read up about it. Mycorrizhae is a waste of money if you're doing any kind of hydroponic setup. They only assist with organic/soil gardening. Biggest scam yet!
ievolution
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what are you talking about Mcgician H&G is nowhere close to advanced nutrients in that sense. you just said something to mislead people into thinking DM is better. H&G destroys dutch master btw if any1 still cares. ive ran side by side and it wasnt even close. H&G has different base nutrients for soil hydro and such.. but all the secondary nutrients are the same.. there shooting powder and roots exc cant be matched.. ive never heard these 2 even be compared cause there not even on the same level. H&G is hands down the best IMO. ive ran advanced at the collective i worked at.. then they switched to H&G when they saw my results. even advanced couldnt come close in tests we did. dont give info if you dont know what your talking about.
ThcPatient.Co
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hey just got done with a successful grow using the lucas fomula plus a few extra additive i threw in.
i ran outta nutes and im really interested in switching to the H&G line, ive heard its great!
any advice with these nutes? i have ebb and flow trays.
and how do the base nutrients work?
do i just add the same amount of A and B nutrients in my rez just in different amounts throughout the whole grow?
i ran outta nutes and im really interested in switching to the H&G line, ive heard its great!
any advice with these nutes? i have ebb and flow trays.
and how do the base nutrients work?
do i just add the same amount of A and B nutrients in my rez just in different amounts throughout the whole grow?
superswamper2012
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I am using H&G full line run, first time doing so, the only difference is I used bud blood first week, and big bud week 2 - 5 and then did the top booster 3 days week 5 with bud xl.
I continued with bud xl and am two days from week 6 and shooting powder time. So doe you think i'll be overdoing it with shooting powder at this point, since I added to H&G begining of flower nutes. Also I have flier of H&G with 1 sack 65G per 100L week6, and 2 sacks per 100L week 7-8 and that would only last me!! Wayyy to much Right? I need to know asap. I found one nutient sheet that said quarter sachet per 100L week6, half sachet per 100L week7 and full per 100L week 8, with 2-3ml per L of soil a/b and my additives of roots excellurator with shooting powder otherwise it says don't use roots if not using shooting powder. multizyme, bud xl, drip clean. Hope Mr. smoke can help me out, havn't tried shooting powder, I have a beautiful roomfull in my 2600W stadium 10X10 3 level room. Got any advise on my finishing, If i burn them with too high amount shooting powder, that be bad, and what about if I did 2 weeks with shooting only, does it do the same job of making new buds come out of budding areas? I kinda was thinking that I should use koolbloom last week of food after 2 weeks shooting powder to finish the new and old bud sites? does that make sense, as shooting powder should have done making my new buds come out, I dunno. please let me know someting if you have used successfully. Cheers Any helpful info would be good, or a link to some real good recipe. Oh, also I have added UVB light bulbs, 26W spiral cfl reptile 10.0 UVB dessert. Anyone else heard about the effects, bennifits of UVB rays. I have them on a 7 cycle timer, they go on between 12mins and 20 mins at noon and back down to 12 mins. 12,15,17,20,17,15,12. inthe middle six hours of the light cycle. i have to say my fello farmers, if you havn't tried it try and you shall reap thebenifits. I beleive you don't want to use entire light period, I researched and found a total of 2 hours per day, middle 6 hrs, 6 - 8 cycles per day. my timer had 7 so made for a noon like effect of highest length of uvb penetration. Cheers, new here so this is all pent up prolly.. Peace
superswamper2012
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Yes you do add equal amounts of a and b. I read something of H&G, thier flier and said mix a, wait 15, mix b, wait 15, ph to 6.3 add additives and your done. Its fucking sweet. only if you mix other like bud blood, or big bud as i did does it need further changes. says to PH to 5.8 then add shooting powder, PH will rise slightly and is supposed to. Do not add shooting powder to PH above 6 I believe i read it has to be like 5.8 and powder ingredients will like die or somthing if added to 6.3.. It rises itself slightly it says too. I havn't used yet just about to, couple days
masonite420
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Using t5 lighting along with HPS lighting is a great way to bring out colors and oils. Shooting powder is good to use in 6 and then doubled in 7 before the flush in 8....As long as you lower your PPMs or E.C. to the correct level by lowering the amount of base nutes....you won't burn...Peace and good luck
masonite420
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[FONT="]House and Garden is the cheapest to run of all the advanced nute schedules out there....If you go through all the schedules and add up what you are paying in the end for a full run including additives...H&G is the cheapest.....peace[/FONT]
homebrewer
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I'm still waiting on those figures you promised last week. Please post the ppm contribution of 1ml of fertilizer in 1 gallon of water for h and g and it's competitors. Otherwise your statement is total BS.
masonite420
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So your logic is ...if i don't post it ...it is BS....Wow!!! U give me a lot of credit....Thanks buddy!..... I couldn't get a hold of anything quickly so i am not gonna spend hours for your sake........I figured you could do the work yourself....believe it....don't believe it...whatever.......since you are so interested in following me and bashing [FONT="]House and Garden[/FONT] maybe you should find some facts and post them....unless.....it would prove me right...... Then you might not want to.
