Hey Liberals? Guns work!!

Fogdog · Feb 4, 2016

MuyLocoNC said:
How do they account for the number of incidences where a firearm is used to legitimately protect or defend, but not actually fired. If that number isn't 500-1000+ times more frequent than when the firearm is actually discharged, I would be surprised.

I have an honest question. What were the total deaths by firearms last year, not including police incidents and suicides?

Regarding your question of how many times a gun is used to defend but not discharged, I think this is a good question, but I don't know where anybody keeps statistics on it. I do know of several stories told by friends where they came home unannounced and were confronted by their wife with a gun pointed at them. I also remember my mom telling me of a time where my dad got drunk and pointed a gun at her after an argument. In all those cases, I'm glad to say the gun was not fired. All I have and all anybody has is stories.

I think I've made a case for saying that for every time a gun is validly used to defend there are about 5 times where the gun injures or kills somebody in an accident.

The NIH database doesn't break down data into police vs nonpolice use. In 2014, there were 464 legal fire arm deaths. How many were police and how many were not, is not available from the NIH database.

red w. blue said:
Why don't we call the topic [how fogdog can ignore 2 questions by posting long post].

Your question was a straw man so I ignored it. I did not say there were quotes from Fox on this thread. The answer to your question is there are no quotes from Fox in this thread and I think you knew that. Insisting on my answering was this pretty moronic of you but you are what you are.

red w. blue · Feb 4, 2016

Fogdog said:
Your question was a straw man so I ignored it. I did not say there were quotes from Fox on this thread. The answer to your question is there are no quotes from Fox in this thread and I think you knew that. Insisting on my answering was this pretty moronic of you but you are what you are.

Your the one who posted that the gun owners used the NRA, fox and cherry picked news. I have shown you to be wrong in the cherry picking and you have admitted to being about fox. So I'm good

Fogdog · Feb 4, 2016

red w. blue said:
Your the one who posted that the gun owners used the NRA, fox and cherry picked news. I have shown you to be wrong in the cherry picking and you have admitted to being about fox. So I'm good

I'm glad you think you are good. This all seems so petty. Lets talk when you anything substantial to say.

budlover13 · Feb 4, 2016

Fogdog said:
Regarding your question of how many times a gun is used to defend but not discharged, I think this is a good question, but I don't know where anybody keeps statistics on it. I do know of several stories told by friends where they came home unannounced and were confronted by their wife with a gun pointed at them. I also remember my mom telling me of a time where my dad got drunk and pointed a gun at her after an argument. In all those cases, I'm glad to say the gun was not fired. All I have and all anybody has is stories.

I think I've made a case for saying that for every time a gun is validly used to defend there are about 5 times where the gun injures or kills somebody in an accident.

The NIH database doesn't break down data into police vs nonpolice use. In 2014, there were 464 legal fire arm deaths. How many were police and how many were not, is not available from the NIH database.

Your question was a straw man so I ignored it. I did not say there were quotes from Fox on this thread. The answer to your question is there are no quotes from Fox in this thread and I think you knew that. Insisting on my answering was this pretty moronic of you but you are what you are.

I met my wife with a gun in the hallway one night as she was returning from the bathroom. All she could say was that the end of the barrel looked huge. Didn't fire simply because I identified her and held my fire. No harm, no foul. She wakes me before going to the bathroom in the middle of the night now.

Fogdog · Feb 4, 2016

budlover13 said:
I met my wife with a gun in the hallway one night as she was returning from the bathroom. All she could say was that the end of the barrel looked huge. Didn't fire simply because I identified her and held my fire. No harm, no foul. She wakes me before going to the bathroom in the middle of the night now.

Thanks for this. Its completely understandable. Chilling but I think it happens all the time. Now add alcohol to the mix and well, I've got to say you or anybody has the right.

budlover13 · Feb 4, 2016

Fogdog said:
Thanks for this. Its completely understandable. Chilling but I think it happens all the time. Now add alcohol to the mix and well, I've got to say you or anybody has the right.

When you hear something/ someone in your house that you aren't expecting, as a gun owner, you grab your gun. It scared her and gave her a sense of security at the same time.

The rest of your post confused me.

Fogdog · Feb 4, 2016

budlover13 said:
When you hear something/ someone in your house that you aren't expecting, as a gun owner, you grab your gun. It scared her and gave her a sense of security at the same time.

The rest of your post confused me.

Your life, not mine. For myself, the idea of living with a woman that can quite possibly shoot me if I forget to knock is something that would cause a split up. I don't know where you live but across the country, about 1% of households had a break-in during the year.
Most of the the time, these homes were not occupied. But, OK, 99% of all households did not have a break-in. You can't handle the 1% risk, I can. We're different. I wouldn't live with somebody that I had to walk a line in order to access my own home.

budlover13 · Feb 4, 2016

Fogdog said:
Your life, not mine. For myself, the idea of living with a woman that can quite possibly shoot me if I forget to knock is something that would cause a split up. I don't know where you live but across the country, about 1% of households had a break-in during the year.
Most of the the time, these homes were not occupied. But, OK, 99% of all households did not have a break-in. You can't handle the 1% risk, I can. We're different. I wouldn't live with somebody that I had to walk a line in order to access my own home.

And I am fully comfortable with a woman who pulls into our drive and, from a distance, sees "someone" in my truck and stops and calls me telling me to get my gun. It was a hat hanging from a hook. Two other people had told me they saw someone in my truck that week for the same reason. My wife has my back and knows that if I am between her and a threat, she doesn't start firing until I drop or have to reload.

Different strokes for different folks.

I love my wife :-)

BamaBoyBeRolling · Feb 4, 2016

You know we need to ban cars they have been killing people for way too long. We need to restrict the top speed of all cars too so people cant hurt more people. oh dear god the murderess cars. Come on any skilled marksman can make a mag exchange in no time. There is simply too many guns and too many guns rights people to ban guns here.Try and see what will happen. All and utter anarchy will erupt.

budlover13 · Feb 4, 2016

Fogdog said:
Your life, not mine. For myself, the idea of living with a woman that can quite possibly shoot me if I forget to knock is something that would cause a split up. I don't know where you live but across the country, about 1% of households had a break-in during the year.
Most of the the time, these homes were not occupied. But, OK, 99% of all households did not have a break-in. You can't handle the 1% risk, I can. We're different. I wouldn't live with somebody that I had to walk a line in order to access my own home.

Btw, I look at it as totally handling the slim risk.

Fogdog · Feb 4, 2016

budlover13 said:
Btw, I look at it as totally handling the slim risk.

I know, you are doing what you need to do. But you also do the work before hand to prepare. So, respect.

budlover13 · Feb 4, 2016

Fogdog said:
I know, you are doing what you need to do. But you also do the work before hand to prepare. So, respect.

I really feel like you give me too much respect in contrast to the average gun owner. I'm just a human. I've had accidental discharges. 2. But I simply followed the majority of rules and nobody was hurt. Firearm safety is simply a checklist of redundant rules. The more you follow the safer you are.

If I come home unannounced, I have violated a rule. If my wife violated the rule of identifying her target before firing, I wouldn't be typing. I trust my wife with my life and am proud to see her defensive side.

Fogdog · Feb 5, 2016

budlover13 said:
I really feel like you give me too much respect in contrast to the average gun owner. I'm just a human. I've had accidental discharges. 2. But I simply followed the majority of rules and nobody was hurt. Firearm safety is simply a checklist of redundant rules. The more you follow the safer you are.

If I come home unannounced, I have violated a rule. If my wife violated the rule of identifying her target before firing, I wouldn't be typing. I trust my wife with my life and am proud to see her defensive side.

I can show you any number of posts where people celebrate the firepower of their piece. Also too many posts with fantasies of rampages or revenge fantasies. Those I give no respect.

NLXSK1 · Feb 5, 2016

Fogdog said:
I can show you any number of posts where people celebrate the firepower of their piece. Also too many posts with fantasies of rampages or revenge fantasies. Those I give no respect.

Your logic works like this. See that guy over there? He is FUCKING CRAZY!!! So, you cant have a gun.... Well, saying the logic works is stretching things a bit....

Fogdog · Feb 5, 2016

I give you no respect. But you have the right to own that gun. Most guns are never used. Most of the time when they are used, its on one's self. I kind of like the idea that you own a gun.

Uncle Ben · Feb 5, 2016

Fogdog said:
I give you no respect. But you have the right to own that gun. Most guns are never used. Most of the time when they are used, its on one's self. I kind of like the idea that you own a gun.

As much as you like the thugs who are killing each off in Chicago.

BTW, your hate shows. It makes you look small.

Fogdog · Feb 5, 2016

Uncle Ben said:
As much as you like the thugs who are killing each off in Chicago.

BTW, your hate shows. It makes you look small.

You know, you are right. It was a mean comment. Coming from you, this is amusing. Just saying that guns make most gun owners less safe. And, many owners refuse to follow some very basic rules to prevent accidents, theft or suicide. In a twisted way of the world it is a natural selection process.

budlover13 · Feb 5, 2016

Fogdog said:
You know, you are right. It was a mean comment. Coming from you, this is amusing. Just saying that guns make most gun owners less safe. And, many owners refuse to follow some very basic rules to prevent accidents, theft or suicide. In a twisted way of the world it is a natural selection process.

Kinda the same reason I don't think helmets and seatbelts should be mandated by law. Let the dummies remove their genes from the pool.

john0000 · Feb 5, 2016

just saw on inside edition a 92 yr old ww2 vet had a burglar with a ax try and brake in his hime and he fired a warning the man said to scare him off ..worked here again..funny part is hearing the man say i could of hit him right in between the eyes if he wanted to

budlover13 · Feb 5, 2016

john0000 said:
just saw on inside edition a 92 yr old ww2 vet had a burglar with a ax try and brake in his hime and he fired a warning the man said to scare him off ..worked here again..funny part is hearing the man say i could of hit him right in between the eyes if he wanted to

Firing a warning shot is reckless imo.

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