Hermie Cross Breeding

Cannabisworks said:

oh...so we need to stress the first cut right. so a stressed mom isnt a good one to use to pollenate or that genetic stress trait continues as the moms genes are now all messed up in plain english.

ive been breeding many many years and this is the right way its done. the pollen itself isnt stressed, its the plant holding the naners that is. so anything she makes from her now messed genes are going to keep being messed up...or have a way higher risk of it. using the second mom is a stable cut that wont continue the stress.

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The genes cant get any more "messed up" than they were originally, genes are genes and cant be changed...cannabis is a plant that can hermaprodite genetically, its genes dont change when it hermies.

Truckn said:

This was a thread to see if the idea is possible, based on someone telling me that you can not get a female plant to grow pollen sacks. Now that I know it is possible, I have to read up a lot on breeding now. Like you said what traits to look for, along with having to grow all these seeds to see which one is the best. It's nothing I'm counting on being great. But if I could produce a plant with tight buds, lots of frost, and being very resistant against a lot of marijuana's nemesis. It would be worth it to give it a shot.

But to hermie the plant before any of this comes into play. I think I am going to try and find Colloidal silver and also give it 30 minutes of light twice during the flowering cycle. Would I start the plant on that interrupted light as soon as I flick it? Or until its a little way in the flowering cycle?

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ya i know bud..and yes it will make the pollen for you. if you want something of your own then id go with some reg seed. more choices on what to use and how to get there. you want to have light in the dark cycle., making dark during day does nothing for what you want to do. first couple week of flower they are most likely to stress and turning on us
to be honest i wouldnt do the light way. just the silver.
and you can make your own silver super cheep. ive made a shit ton in the past for this. needs a higher ppm than we do for human consumption. not enough and it wont work., off top of my head i think we needed about 30 to 50ppm i used a car battery charger. others use a small cell phone charger. 9 volt or 12. i went 12 for less time needed. more volt less time. use distilled pure water only. not bottled over the shelf stuff. 2 roach clips and wire and a cup for the water solution. there are lots of how to on the web to make it..google colodial silver generator...home made

genes sure can mutate. we see it all the time with triploids and funky single finger leaves. if genes dont mutate then how does that happen.. happens in all life. you think people that didnt grow a leg have reg genes???..

SCARHOLE said:

Don't stress hermi the plant.
Use CS to reverse sex.

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correct, or just let one go past prime ripeness, most strains will eventually hermi on its own a few weeks past prime maturity.

then there are no pistil to pollenate at the end like there is nice fresh healthy at the beginning. then still has to leave them for more weeks to mature and oin a dying plant isnt advisable. and all strains do that at the end..its natural survival responce to grow again next year...till we mess with them

You can't change the genes while the plant is growing, once the seed is made that's the plants genes set for life. If it has a tendency to hermie under little stress its a bad parent choice as it has a chance to pass this tendency on to it's offspring.

CS doesn't alter a plants genes, nor does any type of stress...if a plant goes she-male it means the tendency was already there genetically since seed.

Truckn said:

Hey all, I have these two strains that are clone only, there are no seeds available. I'm interested in crossing them. So I was wondering if I successfully hermie'd out one of them, could I use it's pollen to fertilize the other plant. I've asked some people and they told me that there is no pollen in a hermie plant, but in what I have read it seems like the plant grows both female and male flowers which is how it forms seeds.

I was just curious if anyone out there could comment on weather or not this is feasible. I've heard that the seeds that form from a hermie plant aren't the best and are likely to be messed up when they flower.

Thanks

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It's easy to do and fast. The sprayed female will start to change within a week and should have pollen in 3 weeks. Start your "male" about the same time you start to flower the female. The results will depend on how stable your parents are. Read Grumpy Old Dreamer's thread on making CS. https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/387589-producing-feminised-seeds-using-colloidal.html


Here are some Lemon Skunk X OG18. They're 4 weeks into flower now and bout 6 feet tall. All are identical and extremely vigorous. They were 3 or 4 weeks old in this pic, ready for 12/12.



Iv'e also crossed Sour Cream x OG but haven't popped em yet.
I wouldn't even mess with the lights. This works too good.

You actually dont have to STRESS the plant into hermie or use chemicals.
The most natural way to get pollen from a female plant is to let it go 2-3 weeks past the time of ripeness.
Its natural defences will kick in at that point and start producing bananas.
Collect the bananas carefully, put them in ziplock bag and keep them in the fridge.
You want to add pollen to the areas you want to pollenate around 2 weeks into flowering.
The pollen will stay good in the fridge for a few months.
If you pollenate a female plant with this pollen you will end up with feminized seeds.

where would the female be to pollenate at that late stage., need to pollanate at the begiunning not the end,. sure he can collect the pollen and store and do another female to use but then theres more work to correclty store pollen so its good and viable again to use and wont damage cell walls. as he said to just throw pollen in a bag and in fridge is not the right way to collect and store pollen to not damage cell walls and make sure its good and viable for years..sure it may still work..but also may not. pollen can be stored for many years if its done right

Cannabisworks said:

where would the female be to pollenate at that late stage., need to pollanate at the begiunning not the end,. sure he can collect the pollen and store and do another female to use but then theres more work to correclty store pollen so its good and viable again to use and wont damage cell walls. as he said to just throw pollen in a bag and in fridge is not the right way to collect and store pollen to not damage cell walls and make sure its good and viable for years..sure it may still work..but also may not. pollen can be stored for many years if its done right

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Gotta agree with ya Cannabisworks. If you start them at the same time the pollen will be ready when the female is. I keep them in the main room until they are ready to spew and then isolate the pair for a week to pollenate. After they have had a honeymoon, I destroy the male and spray water on the female to remove any extra pollen then put back with the rest. Never miss a beat that way and you have fresh pollen when you need it.

when i was doing my breeding and selling pollen. we would harvest the pollen then place in glass vials with a moiture reacting desiccant to tell me when its dry. then into the freezer with fresh desiccant. this way the moisture is removed before it is frozen preventing cell wall damages and keep the pollen viable for many years.