desertrat
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what do you think i used my chainsaw for? problem is that we only had pine trees and the pitch is like glue. hurts like hell to withdraw.not if you drill a syrup hole first.
Here is why you are not voting for Obama
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ViRedd
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Hey TBT ... didn't you listen to Biden yesterday? What you've described above is now known as "patriotism."
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Seamaiden
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Hey, I hear you on that fucking pine pitch. That crap gets stuck all over the dogs and I have to cut it out of their coats. 
Spoken like a man who knows...
not if you drill a syrup hole first.
Spoken like a man who knows...
cleatis
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In all fairness the communism we see today and have seen in the past is not what Marx had in mind. They took some of the basic ideas of it and shaved off what they didn't want.
Communism does work very well in small settings (a commune for instance) But countries are so large and vast that it either doesn't work or when it does it's like in the USSR where you pretty much have no rights.
But also consider that things like public education, roads, grandma's SSI and so on are socialistic in nature. And while these things definitely have their problems, they are better than every man for himself ideal. Imagine if education wasn't public, if you couldn't afford it, your kids wouldn't even know how to read. But mostly the problem with every man for himself is that people who do work hard and do deserve more, simply don't get it. so you end up with the hard workers picking up after the slackers, or the hard workers that don't get what they deserve. the problem with it all is that it is all a man made system, thus it is bound to fail in one way or another, be it capitolism, communism or whatever.
Seamaiden
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I don't have an issue with public education, literacy is near and dear to my heart. However, the Department of Education bungles things and sucks up funds that could go towards teachers teaching, supplies, classrooms, and extracurricular activities that have been so drastically cut since its inception.
medicineman
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Get involved locally, become a member of the local school board, voice your opinions to the people in charge, write your congressman, (I know you hate him) but write anyway. I live in a wonderful school district where my grandkids get breakfast and lunch and tutoring all on me the taxpayer. I am very happy with my school district.
ViRedd
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~lol~ You are one incorrigible SOB.
What do your grandkids do for food during the summer vacation? I mean, do you let them starve?Breakfast and lunch on the taxpayer ... indeed!
What ever happened to the Roy Rogers and Hopalong Cassidy lunch boxes? Damned welfare statists have sold the country down the river.
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Seamaiden
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How is getting involved on a local level going to change what the DOE has done (or, rather, undone)? I see what you're saying, but that's not going to fund the district, it's basically a stopgap measure. What they need are the proper pay (so they can start permanently hiring teachers in my own district), better oversight (I'm SICK AND TIRED of my kids being taught by people who can't spell, can't speak, can't do math and can't fucking park!) in terms of standards for those who teach, better funding, and STOP ALL THE GOD DAMNED TESTING! Do you have any idea how much time is spent during the school year in California for STAR and other testing? And what does the testing produce? BAD RESULTS THAT ARE NOT AN ACCURATE ASSESSMENT OF TEACHERS OR STUDENTS. Those damned twats! Stop keeping my kid from learning in class for two whole weeks!
Oh.. man, they're both graduated and this crap still gets my dander up.
You're right, I do detest Dan Lungren.
DjTumbleweed
Active Member
Well Well just like a barrel of crabs trying to crawl out of a tank always bringing each other down. Both those parties that you speak of, reak of corruption and greed. Happily supported through everybody's money like it or not. For the comment about socialism and Obama wake the FUCK-UP, George Bush Just socialized the whole fucking financial system, guaranteed the money market accounts and basically said its ok we have all these poor slave motherfuckers(MIDDLE,LOWER CLASS AMERICANS) who can pay you back. Just to balance it out, thats after Clinton shifted even our high-tec manufacturing base overseas .can some one say economic slavery.More of these liberals that you speak of will be enriched by this one act along with the usual republicans as well. For that Mexican sucking on the tit of America bullshit argument we are a EMPIRE empire's require fresh body's, they don't really give a fuck if your BLACK,IRISH,GERMAN,JEWISH,MEXICAN,Chinese,ARAB etc...Don't be mad because you have to live this life as a common person, maybe in The next life you'll be a dictator and get to wipe out a minority race and stuff. Maybe you can just pick -up a shooter killer video game and practice, just pretend their your favorite minority and pull the trigger. Come to think about it I wonder how the INDAINS feel about Illegal immigration any INDIANS out there?.This world is filled with contradictions and fights usually tied to bullshit.
Something big is comming ,and when it comes, it is not going to give a shit about all issues above and you will be left alone with limited choices and no one to help you unless you help eachother.
Something big is comming ,and when it comes, it is not going to give a shit about all issues above and you will be left alone with limited choices and no one to help you unless you help eachother.
VTXDave
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Funny....I thought it was Congress. Silly me. I suppose I should wake the fuck up.
Seamaiden
Well-Known Member
Yes, but Georgie was the messenger.Funny....I thought it was Congress. Silly me. I suppose I should wake the fuck up.
DjTumbleweed
Active Member
I'am sorry, I meant to say George and the CONGRESS( no argument here) socialized Slavery.
ViRedd
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I personally believe that nothing is "coming." On the contrary, Tumble, Its already here.
Like the successful American Socialist Revolutions of 1913 and 1933, we are experiencing another Socialist revolution in the commandeering of trillions in private American assets by the International Bankers, through the Federal Reserve, with the blessings of the Socialists, Fascists and Marxists in the Congress, Senate, and the White House. And again, just like in 1913 and 1933, not a shot has been fired. Its come to us this time, just like the other times ... under the guise of a "crisis."
American sheep will not revolt until there is no food left in the Supermarkets, or until that food is made so expensive through inflation that its just simply unaffordable.
Try that one on for size.
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medicineman
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No he isn't. Had Kerry or Gore been elected, we might be in a whole different place right now. It was the Bush republicans along with McSame that railed against any control of the stock markets or financial organizations. A democratic presidency may have seen the foolishness of this laise-faire free market bullshit and actually put some regulations on the capitalists.
ViRedd
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Bush and his handlers are Republicans in name only. They are NOT conservatives. They are big-spending, big-government liberals. How else would you explain the lack of a veto pen? How else would you explain the Medicare Prescription Drug Plan?
And for the record ... John McCain warned the Senate about the coming collapse of Freddie and Fannie way back in 2005. He wanted more oversight, but was overruled by Senator Chris Dodd, Chairman of the Banking Committe, and supported by many other Democrats, who at the time, were raking in huge amounts of money from Freddie and Fannie lobbyist. Dodd was the largest recipient of these funds and your hero O'bama was the second largest.
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medicineman
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McSame got his share, be assured of that, in fact he has lobbiests on his election committee, Pot and kettle on this one. BTW you are all for Palin, who WAS for the bridge to nowhere, before she was against it. Talk about hypocracy.
ViRedd
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Med ... You, my most faithful nemesis, have been drinking WAY to much of the MSNBC Kool-Aid. Believe it or not, Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews aren't fair and balanced. ~lol~
Here ... read this:
Saturday, September 13, 2008
Sen. says Palin sank 'Bridge to Nowhere'
Stephen Dinan
Sen. Tom Coburn, the chief foe of the "Bridge to Nowhere," said Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin deserves credit for killing the project, which became the symbol of Washington pork-barrel spending.
"The bridge didn't get built because Sarah Palin had the guts to say it wasn't going to get built," said Mr. Coburn, Oklahoma Republican, who was the fiercest critic of the bridge and tried but failed to have Congress strike it.
He said he sees an ally in Mrs. Palin.
"My conversations with her, I have no doubt she will be strong, 100 percent in my camp, in [South Carolina Republican Sen. Jim] DeMint's camp, as far as [opposition to] earmarks and spending."
With scrutiny of Mrs. Palin going into overdrive, the Republican vice-presidential nominee defended herself to ABC News. Facing charges from Democrats she first supported, then later backed away from the bridge, she said she never fought for the bridge, but rather for infrastructure in general.
"I was for infrastructure being built in the state. And it's not inappropriate for a mayor or for a governor to request and to work with their Congress and their congressmen, their congresswomen, to plug into the federal budget along with every other state a share of the federal budget for infrastructure," she said in her third interview in two days with the network, the first series of interviews she's given since joining the GOP ticket.
Republican presidential nominee John McCain has long been a critic of pork-barrel spending, known in Washington as earmarks, and said Mrs. Palin's opposition to the bridge is one reason he tapped her to be his running mate.
Alaska's congressional delegation fought hard to preserve the project, at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars. The bridge would have linked the mainland to Gravina Island, with a population of about 50 and which is the location of the Ketchikan International Airport. There is currently a ferry service to the island.
Mrs. Palin said inserting earmarks in spending bills is "un-American, it's undemocratic, and it's not going to be accepted in a McCain-Palin administration. Earmark abuse will stop."
She told ABC she has "drastically reduced our earmark request since I came into office."
In the interview, Mrs. Palin also defended herself against what has become known as "Troopergate" - the investigation into whether she or her husband pressured the state police to fire her sister's ex-husband, and whether that was a factor in her firing the state police commissioner.
On Friday, the official inquiry, launched by the state legislature, issued 13 subpoenas, including one to Mrs. Palin's husband, Todd.
Mrs. Palin said in the interview that the trooper in question threatened her family.
While originally saying she would cooperate with the legislative investigation, she has since said she wants the state personnel board to take up the inquiry to get it away from a politicized legislature.
"It's been so politicized at this point, too, I think it's turned into quite the political issue," she said.
She said while her husband raised concerns about the trooper, neither of them tried to use undo influence on the police. "I never pressured [the commissioner] to hire or fire anybody," she said.
On another front, Mrs. Palin also said Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama is regretting not picking Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton as his running mate.
"What determination, and grit, and even grace through some tough shots that were fired her way," Mrs. Palin said.
Mrs. Palin's record on the bridge has become symbolic of whether she can lay claim to the mantle of reformer that Mr. McCain and Republicans are trying to don this year.
Reporters have uncovered myriad earmark requests from Wasilla, Alaska, during the time Mrs. Palin was mayor, and the press has published quotes of her defending spending requests including the bridge during her run for governor.
And at the time she scuttled the bridge project, she said Congress wasn't providing enough money to cover the increasing cost, and she said the money could be better spent elsewhere in the state.
Still, even state Democrats, in attacking the state's senior senator, Republican Ted Stevens, credited Mrs. Palin with killing the bridge in opposition to Mr. Stevens' wishes.
Earlier, on ABC's "The View," Mr. McCain seemed to stumble on Mrs. Palin's earmark history, first telling the hosts she didn't take earmarks as governor, then saying, "Look, well, the fact is, she's a reform governor."
In defending Mrs. Palin, Mr. Coburn said his staff had repeatedly talked with her office about how to handle the bridge.
He said her support for earmarks in general as mayor and governor was understandable because her party's congressional delegation told her to ask for them.
"If you're sitting out there running a state and running a city, and congressmen say, 'What do you need, we'll get it for you,' you say, 'Here's what I need.' "
But he said since then, Mrs. Palin has shown she's gotten the message.
"She's come to the realization it's not the total dollars of earmarks that are hurting us, it's what earmarks cause us to do," he said.
He noted that Mr. Obama and his running mate, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr., both voted against a 2005 amendment Mr. Coburn offered to strike the bridge's funding and redirect it to the Interstate 10 bridge ruined by Hurricane Katrina.
The Obama campaign said Mr. Coburn's comments show Mrs. Palin did, at one time, support the bridge.
Here ... read this:
Saturday, September 13, 2008
Sen. says Palin sank 'Bridge to Nowhere'
Stephen Dinan
Sen. Tom Coburn, the chief foe of the "Bridge to Nowhere," said Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin deserves credit for killing the project, which became the symbol of Washington pork-barrel spending.
"The bridge didn't get built because Sarah Palin had the guts to say it wasn't going to get built," said Mr. Coburn, Oklahoma Republican, who was the fiercest critic of the bridge and tried but failed to have Congress strike it.
He said he sees an ally in Mrs. Palin.
"My conversations with her, I have no doubt she will be strong, 100 percent in my camp, in [South Carolina Republican Sen. Jim] DeMint's camp, as far as [opposition to] earmarks and spending."
With scrutiny of Mrs. Palin going into overdrive, the Republican vice-presidential nominee defended herself to ABC News. Facing charges from Democrats she first supported, then later backed away from the bridge, she said she never fought for the bridge, but rather for infrastructure in general.
"I was for infrastructure being built in the state. And it's not inappropriate for a mayor or for a governor to request and to work with their Congress and their congressmen, their congresswomen, to plug into the federal budget along with every other state a share of the federal budget for infrastructure," she said in her third interview in two days with the network, the first series of interviews she's given since joining the GOP ticket.
Republican presidential nominee John McCain has long been a critic of pork-barrel spending, known in Washington as earmarks, and said Mrs. Palin's opposition to the bridge is one reason he tapped her to be his running mate.
Alaska's congressional delegation fought hard to preserve the project, at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars. The bridge would have linked the mainland to Gravina Island, with a population of about 50 and which is the location of the Ketchikan International Airport. There is currently a ferry service to the island.
Mrs. Palin said inserting earmarks in spending bills is "un-American, it's undemocratic, and it's not going to be accepted in a McCain-Palin administration. Earmark abuse will stop."
She told ABC she has "drastically reduced our earmark request since I came into office."
In the interview, Mrs. Palin also defended herself against what has become known as "Troopergate" - the investigation into whether she or her husband pressured the state police to fire her sister's ex-husband, and whether that was a factor in her firing the state police commissioner.
On Friday, the official inquiry, launched by the state legislature, issued 13 subpoenas, including one to Mrs. Palin's husband, Todd.
Mrs. Palin said in the interview that the trooper in question threatened her family.
While originally saying she would cooperate with the legislative investigation, she has since said she wants the state personnel board to take up the inquiry to get it away from a politicized legislature.
"It's been so politicized at this point, too, I think it's turned into quite the political issue," she said.
She said while her husband raised concerns about the trooper, neither of them tried to use undo influence on the police. "I never pressured [the commissioner] to hire or fire anybody," she said.
On another front, Mrs. Palin also said Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama is regretting not picking Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton as his running mate.
"What determination, and grit, and even grace through some tough shots that were fired her way," Mrs. Palin said.
Mrs. Palin's record on the bridge has become symbolic of whether she can lay claim to the mantle of reformer that Mr. McCain and Republicans are trying to don this year.
Reporters have uncovered myriad earmark requests from Wasilla, Alaska, during the time Mrs. Palin was mayor, and the press has published quotes of her defending spending requests including the bridge during her run for governor.
And at the time she scuttled the bridge project, she said Congress wasn't providing enough money to cover the increasing cost, and she said the money could be better spent elsewhere in the state.
Still, even state Democrats, in attacking the state's senior senator, Republican Ted Stevens, credited Mrs. Palin with killing the bridge in opposition to Mr. Stevens' wishes.
Earlier, on ABC's "The View," Mr. McCain seemed to stumble on Mrs. Palin's earmark history, first telling the hosts she didn't take earmarks as governor, then saying, "Look, well, the fact is, she's a reform governor."
In defending Mrs. Palin, Mr. Coburn said his staff had repeatedly talked with her office about how to handle the bridge.
He said her support for earmarks in general as mayor and governor was understandable because her party's congressional delegation told her to ask for them.
"If you're sitting out there running a state and running a city, and congressmen say, 'What do you need, we'll get it for you,' you say, 'Here's what I need.' "
But he said since then, Mrs. Palin has shown she's gotten the message.
"She's come to the realization it's not the total dollars of earmarks that are hurting us, it's what earmarks cause us to do," he said.
He noted that Mr. Obama and his running mate, Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr., both voted against a 2005 amendment Mr. Coburn offered to strike the bridge's funding and redirect it to the Interstate 10 bridge ruined by Hurricane Katrina.
The Obama campaign said Mr. Coburn's comments show Mrs. Palin did, at one time, support the bridge.